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Maybe the Oldest Old-Timer

Riccardo

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I discovered this Forum by accident the other day and after reading a few threads decided to join you and learn the latest and also share some history likely unknown to most if any. After reading through my first one , hopefully some may learn why.. All I have to share is factual. Perhaps only old timers will appreciate these bits of Ontario/Quebec history...
My career with accordions has been off and on for over 80 years - mostly on. As a 6 year-old in Hamilton Ontario, after trying out a 12 bass Hohner which my neighbour offered to me, I was hooked. My usual story over the years when asked when I started, I said that I had run my hand down the edge side of the keys, slightly cut myself and accordions have been in my blood ever since!
Took lessons for a few years on a used 80 bass Hohner, then traded it in for a 120 Settimio Soprani after meeting my first "real" teacher Elio Viola who established a highly successful Accordion School in that city about 1947. He and his wife Agnes were real promoters of accordion during the "hay-days" 40's-60's, held annual accordion concerts for the over 200 students and brought in guest artists including Pietro Deiro, Andy Arcari and Charles Magnante! They also initiated the addition of accordions to the Annual Waterloo Music Band Festival through the Festival organizer and owner of Waterloo Music Dr. Thiele. During the last weekend in June each year, hundreds of accordionists competed in huge tents for the gold, silver and bronze medals in each age category, with solos, duets, quartets, Open age and bands.
In 1952 the Canadian Solo Championship rotating trophy (huge onyx with gold Angel of Victory atop) was first awarded and yours truly was the recipient, playing Frosini's Rhapsody in D Minor with Quatrocche and Charlie Nunzio as adjudicators. Repeated it in 1954 using Magnante's arrangement of Mendelsohn's Andante and Rondo Capriciosso. Dixie Dean of Toronto was adjudicator.. A smaller replica was awarded to the winner for keeping. Still have mine.
In the meantime, I had traded in my Soprani for my first Symphony Grand Excelsior serial # 9999. (If anyone knows where it is, please let me know. Story later..) Upgraded to another Symphony Grand in '54 with mikes through Jack Wright, owner of Excelsior Supply in Montreal who became mentor and friend over many years. That's where I met Mario Pancotti, son of the founder of Excelsior in 1924 in New York or thereabouts. Jack invited me to perform at a concert in Plateau Hall Montreal with Eugene Ettore, Carmen Carrozza, Danny Desiderio and Bernie Fleming. Felt it was a highlight of my career...
By the way, 1953 Waterloo winner was Ray Hunker of Regina who was teaching for Ryson's Studios in St. Catharines along with Ernst and son Boris Bergstrom. We became good friends and colleagues... The Bergstroms also opened up another successful accordion school named Master Conservatory in St. Catharines. Polka King Walter Ostanek was one of Bergstroms's successful students! Met him many times over the years.
Opened up an accordion school in Hamilton after some touring in Europe until the Beetles and Elvis came along with their guitars and drums and that's about when accordion interests took a deep dive across this continent...
Life took a different turn for some years but returned later when I was introduced to the Italian Excelsior factory personnel on Via Sardegna in Castefidardo (the second Excelsior site there), then considerable training there for building and servicing, visits to parts suppliers, learning what quality wood, reeds, leathers, felt, steel, aluminum etc effects have on sound, the purchase by Pigini, other makes made by Excelsior, and expose of many other accordion brands and qualities..
I have a certificate which certifies me as an Excelsior-trained technician.
But that's for another 'thread'
I've had some wonderful experiences and met some of the best in the field across almost every aspect.
Thanks for reading. Hope it was at least interesting.. By the way, Riccardo is the name given to me by the Italians..
 
Hello Perogie. Obviously Polish or Ukrainian.. Thanks for the reply. Must ask you.... cashew, Brazil, wal, macademia or 1/2 inch steel?
Seriously. hope you found it interesting. Have lots more to share experiences including servicing professionals' accordions from all across North America. Used to take pride in overnight repairs since they needed to have it back pdq.
You being out West, don't know if you knew about KIOTAC..... Kimberley (BC) International Old Time Accordion Competitions which I attended a few times as Excelsior representative, including the attempt to break the Guinness World Record for greatest no. of accordionists playing the longest. Over 400 I Believe.. Fell short by about 5 accordions!
Also in my travels had met Galla-Rini, Dick Contino, Magnante, Van Damme (last time in Vegas before he passed shortly after), and many others who became international stars. More recent friends are Peter Soave, Emanuele Rastelli, Roberto Lucanero, the late Alexander Sevastian of Quartetto Gelato fame and who passed much too soon. I had organized several concerts in the Hamilton/Toronto area over many years with them as featured soloists.
And yes, I'm a bit of a traditionalist preferring to have played the classics but respecting all modes. Not an electronic or virtual accordion aficianado aside from mikes.
And still have thousands of parts, reeds, etc and thousands of accordion manuals, sheets of music, some dating back to the early 1900's written in treble clef for the bass before notation was standardized by Deiro et alii with AAA, with Galla-Rini being the exception using ATG policy showing all bass section notes , just in case anyone is looking for something special..
Collection includes many Excelsiors and even one mint 1924 model which may have been played by Pietro Deiro!.
More later..
You're the first to respond. Will be interesting to see if there are more.
Thanks again for showing interest.
Riccardo
 
Welcome! and thank you for sharing some of your life with accordions!
Thank you Rosie. Another one of my many international experiences relatively near you was attending the Accordion Festival in Bridlington East Yorkshire some years back. A week of outstanding accordionists from all over Europe performing every imaginable style of music.
Also have relatives in Wrexham obviously nearer you.
Riccardo
 
Welcome Riccardo from Wisconsin! It’s fascinating to hear of your experiences. I hope you will share more interesting stories with us.
 
Welcome!. Sounds like you’ll have some great stories, and a lot first hand history. Looking forward to your stories and knowledge!
 
Welcome Riccardo and greetings from Bavaria to Waterloo :D
I enjoy very much reading the stories of people like you who have to tell so many meaningful stories.
I know a few of the names you mentioned and believe it: have been to Waterloo once or twice for business with a (formerly) well-known Waterloo based company.
I don't own an Excelsior though was close to almost acquire one (tested a Symphony Gold few times and was very tempted).
I almost had one one: a HOHNER MORINO VS which in fact was manufactured by Excelsior.
Hopefully I'm not disappointing anyone but in fact the MORINO N and S series were made in Excelsior's fab in Italy (labelled "made in Germany" though).
As you have such a long term history I also dare to pin-point you to a thread where I'm looking for any information on a track I stumbled over:
https://www.accordionists.info/threads/does-anybody-know-this-tune.11398/
 
I discovered this Forum by accident the other day and after reading a few threads decided to join
Ricardo, I was excited to read your post (and now the second one). Consider me in the ranks as one of many here looking forward to hearing about your unique experiences and perspectives. I also stumbled upon this forum not long ago.

I two am one of the many “oldsters” here but certainly not an accordion old timer - I acquired my first accordion late last year at age 73. Never touched one before but I didn’t let that stop me. I have 60+ years of experience at the piano and nearly that much with brass and guitar and a touch with strings and other instruments. (Have you ever tried the musical saw?!)

Starting with the accordion from scratch has been both fascinating and frustrating, exactly as I expected. (My slow progress has been temporarily delayed by a shoulder injury and surgery but hope to get back to it in a few months! Fortunately there is SO much to read and learn in the interim, both on this forum and elsewhere!) I’m also highly interested in accordion repair and adjustments and met an expert local gentleman willing to teach me. Life is good!

Thank you for your posts here.

JKJ
 
Welcome and thanks for sharing your story so far
I was in Hamilton couple of years ago for a trip around southern Ontario - couldn't bring my instrument though

hope to read more
 
Welcome Riccardo, thank you for sharing! I hadn't realized there was so much accordion history here in Ontario, seems I picked a late decade to start learning 😆
Hi Nikola: I've been overwhelmed by the number of accordionists who have replied to my first messages. It seems that accordions are making a huge "comeback" after all those years of guitars, drums. amps and electronics. When I have a bit more time, I'll add a few more interesting stories which I gather there may interest.
By the way, back in the 40's-60's the top Toronto accordion school was Eric Mundinger's who had studios on the second floor at Young and Charles streets over what was Coles well-known bookstore. I knew Eric very well and years later after his passing I was able to buy his huge collection of accordion music. Still have it...
One of his most talented students was Jerry Cingolani. friend and colleague who also performed at the Waterloo Music competitions.. won the Open one year.
And Eric's accordion orchestra of over 100 performed at Eaton's College Street and Massey Hall among other sites!
Dixie Dean was also well known.. was staff accordionists for the CBC and Matt DeFlorio was accordionist for a Western Group on CBC.. also an old friend. His son Rudy I believe still runs an Accordion Sales and Service Centre. There's more re Toronto accordionists...
My teacher who coached me to the Canadian Championship in '54 was Torontonian Jim Turnbull.
Just a bit of Toronto trivia which may be of interest... perhaps??
Riccardo
 
You are definitely the oldest old-timer here, but not just as a person but you probably have seen the largest changes (mostly improvements) in accordions over these 80 years. You may be able to judge when in your experience accordions reached their "peak" in design and quality. Efforts in making accordions better and efforts to improve efficiency of production have kind-of "crossed" so there must be an optimum time period.
Many people say that peak was roughly around 1960 but maybe you have a different viewpoint.
 
Hi Nikola: I've been overwhelmed by the number of accordionists who have replied to my first messages. It seems that accordions are making a huge "comeback" after all those years of guitars, drums. amps and electronics.
I don't really think so: playing musical instruments in general is in sharp decline; it is just that Social Media and forums such as this one have become a lot better at connecting people with similar interests even at larger geographical distances. To be fair, the decline of playing music started when record players and HiFi sets became really viable. But the increasing computerisation (including the ubiquity of smartphones) also made menial tasks and non-instant gratification quite less popular with a large part of the upcoming generations.

The good news for accordion is that the wide availability of recorded music means the primary motivator of musicians no longer is the best sound quality in music-producing ensembles for pleasing an audience but the best way towards self-gratification. And with an accordion, you can produce (or at least sketch) music on your own without multitracking. That's why the "good enough" expedient of a (non-standardized in range and composition!) Stradella bass is very much standard for accordions even when frowned upon by conservatories.

It is a satisfying way to play. If you see the acrobatics a pianist playing Scott Joplin's "The Entertainer"'s "Oom Pah" accompaniment lines has to engage in compared to what an accordionist can crank out on a Stradella bass even in advanced states of inebriation, you cannot avoid smirking.

Accordions are fun. And that has become more important than their sound quality compared to a symphonic orchestra since playing for your own enjoyment has increased in importance. Also you can do standalone entertainment using an accordion, less so using a violin.
 
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You are definitely the oldest old-timer here, but not just as a person but you probably have seen the largest changes (mostly improvements) in accordions over these 80 years. You may be able to judge when in your experience accordions reached their "peak" in design and quality. Efforts in making accordions better and efforts to improve efficiency of production have kind-of "crossed" so there must be an optimum time period.
Many people say that peak was roughly around 1960 but maybe you have a different viewpoint.
Hello Paul. I couldn't help but response almost immediately after reading your thread mainly for a different reason but I know that time differences means you'll likely not receive this until tomorrow. Noting that you are from Eindhoven, it reminded me of my experience while touring Europe in 1957 when I was invited to participate in the Coupe Mondial de l'Accordion .. believe it or not - in Helmond a few kilometers away!!
I came 7th out of 22. I didn't know until after registering that the obligatory piece was specially written for chromatics and of course several passages were almost impossible to play on a piano keyboard, with many repeated notes and beyond octaves... not an excuse but I do treasure the experience for a number of reasons. I did win the Sight-Reading selection thanks to years of playing in dance bands where rehearsals were virtually non-existent. One learned to read fast when told..... "Page 23 fellas....... and a 1 and a 2 and..... away we go" or get left behind! And lose the job.
And with my Maple Leaf pin on my beret, I was greeted everywhere in town. As you know the Dutch have always welcomed Canadians warmly.
Small world indeed/
With respect to your question re an optimum period for accordions, I'm unsure of the criteria you may be looking for.
Personally I benefited from and enjoyed my time during the 40's-60's, but I had the privilege of owning a high end Excelsior all those years, had some great teachers, mentors and supporters along with opportunities to perform, teach, write and travel.. For me that was the optimum.
In fact still have my 1954 Excelsior Symphony Grand basically in mint condition. But that's another story.
 
You are definitely the oldest old-timer here, but not just as a person but you probably have seen the largest changes (mostly improvements) in accordions over these 80 years. You may be able to judge when in your experience accordions reached their "peak" in design and quality. Efforts in making accordions better and efforts to improve efficiency of production have kind-of "crossed" so there must be an optimum time period.
Many people say that peak was roughly around 1960 but maybe you have a different viewpoint.
Well, maybe not the oldest: I'm 93, but with nowhere near the playing prowess described by Riccardo. I started playing at age 9 and took lessons for a couple of years until WW II got my instructor drafted into the Army. My father was a dancer of the pretty waltzes, mazurkas, and polkas of his native Sicily, and t'was he who insisted that I should learn to play the kind of music he could dance to. I had moved on from a rented little 10-base beginner box to a sparkling white 120-base Scandalli. The war interrupted lessons permanently and I seldom played after that. I mostly rusted away. The Scandalli deteriorated from non-use, and, in 1960, I dumped it for a like-new Excelsiola. Long story short, I went on essentially a non-player like that, until at age 86. Then a family member pushed, cajoled, insisted that I start re-learning and playing again. Finally, to shut him up, I got some renewal lessons, traded the Excelsiola for a heavy old Petosa, and then 2 years ago, to the much lighter and more versatile Roland FR4X. I practice daily, having fun, and l'll keep on keeping on until the Good Lord sends for me....
 
Hello Paul. I couldn't help but response almost immediately after reading your thread mainly for a different reason but I know that time differences means you'll likely not receive this until tomorrow. Noting that you are from Eindhoven, it reminded me of my experience while touring Europe in 1957 when I was invited to participate in the Coupe Mondial de l'Accordion .. believe it or not - in Helmond a few kilometers away!!
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I still play in an accordion orchestra (Accordeana) in Helmond! It was started by Arie Willems. I'm sure you must have met him in 1957. (He passed away in 2004.)
The accordion isn't doing so well in our area now, but in other parts of the Netherlands it still is, and the country is not that large...
 
I still play in an accordion orchestra (Accordeana) in Helmond! It was started by Arie Willems. I'm sure you must have met him in 1957. (He passed away in 2004.)
The accordion isn't doing so well in our area now, but in other parts of the Netherlands it still is, and the country is not that large...
The accordion could have picked worse ambassadors to remain in play.
 
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