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Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - fphlpsnrg - 31-07-2019

My own review of current catalogs (Victoria, Pigini, Zero Sette, Jupiter, Weltmeister) shows that none of these manufacturers currently makes one. So far, only Victoria has responded to my request for the additional cost of converting one of their existing models to 5-row bassetti, which is 2500 Euros (2,786.82 USD). Jupiter claims that they do not manufacture C-System boxes. Wonder where all those Jupiter C-System boxes I see on the internet come from.

If anyone has information on other manufacturers still in business, please post that here.

Thanks

From Ton Grieco and member Stephen

http://www.fisitalia.com/acc-bayanergo.aspx


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - Jim2010 - 01-08-2019

(31-07-2019, 10:01 PM)fphlpsnrg Wrote: My own review of current catalogs (Victoria, Pigini, Zero Sette, Jupiter, Weltmeister) shows that none of these manufacturers currently makes one. So far, only Victoria has responded to my request for the additional cost of converting one of their existing models to 5-row bassetti, which is 2500 Euros (2,786.82 USD). Jupiter claims that they do not manufacture C-System boxes. Wonder where all those Jupiter C-System boxes I see on the internet come from.

If anyone has information on other manufacturers still in business, please post that here.

Thanks
Unless I am misunderstanding your question, Pigini has a wide range of 5-row CBA's both regular and converter.
https://www.pigini.com/en/


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - debra - 01-08-2019

So far I have only seen one accordion with a five row chromatic keyboard on the lefthand side (as well as on the right of course). These are very rare. It is not surprising that nobody makes them as the demand for them must be pretty small. With a convertor accordion you in the end for the most part have a more versatile instrument.
As for Jupiter you should be aware that there are currently two accordion manufacturers that call themselves Jupiter and both claim to be the "real" successor of the Jupiter from the Soviet era. I doubt that neither of them still makes C system bayans. There is certainly a market for them. I personally prefer AKKO over Jupiter and play a C system AKKO bayan.


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - fphlpsnrg - 01-08-2019

(01-08-2019, 01:14 PM)Jim2010 Wrote:
(31-07-2019, 10:01 PM)fphlpsnrg Wrote: My own review of current catalogs ...
Unless I am misunderstanding your question, Pigini has a wide range of 5-row CBA's both regular and converter.
https://www.pigini.com/en/

I had reviewed their on-line catalog, and requested further info on 5-row bassetti. They referred me to www.ernestdeffner.com, whom I have not contacted.

(01-08-2019, 06:28 PM)debra Wrote: So far I have only seen one accordion with a five row chromatic keyboard on the lefthand side (as well as on the right of course). These are very rare. ... here is certainly a market for them. I personally prefer AKKO over Jupiter and play a C system AKKO bayan.

I looked at the AKKO website. It's in Russian, so I'm lost. I think I own one of 10 5-row bassetti's in the world, manufactured for Giulietti by Zero Sette. The left hand could use a tone chamber and possible doubling of the low reeds since it the tone is "forward" and not quite as subtle as the right hand.


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - Jim2010 - 02-08-2019

(01-08-2019, 09:52 PM)fphlpsnrg Wrote:
(01-08-2019, 01:14 PM)Jim2010 Wrote:
(31-07-2019, 10:01 PM)fphlpsnrg Wrote: My own review of current catalogs ...
Unless I am misunderstanding your question, Pigini has a wide range of 5-row CBA's both regular and converter.
https://www.pigini.com/en/

I had reviewed their on-line catalog, and requested further info on 5-row bassetti. They referred me to www.ernestdeffner.com, whom I have not contacted.

(01-08-2019, 06:28 PM)debra Wrote: So far I have only seen one accordion with a five row chromatic keyboard on the lefthand side (as well as on the right of course). These are very rare. ... here is certainly a market for them. I personally prefer AKKO over Jupiter and play a C system AKKO bayan.

I looked at the AKKO website. It's in Russian, so I'm lost. I think I own one of 10 5-row bassetti's in the world, manufactured for Giulietti by Zero Sette. The left hand could use a tone chamber and possible doubling of the low reeds since it the tone is "forward" and not quite as subtle as the right hand.
I see by your an Paul's responses that mistakenly thought you were talking about 5 rows on the right hand. I'm sorry about that.


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - debra - 02-08-2019

Didn't know they were so incredibly rare...
We had a "double performance" between the German accordion orchestra from Dinslaken and the Dutch symphonic accordion orchestra and someone from Dinslaken played an accordion with 5-row CBA left and right. It wasn't Giulietti (but I don't recall what it was) and it wasn't really "bassetti" which suggests using regular bass buttons. The left hand keyboard had buttons that were bigger than bass buttons (but not quite as large as the right hand buttons unless that was an optical illusion).
The sound of the left hand side is always different from the treble side because the bass compartment is much more closed and the sound resonates within that compartment a bit like with a cassotto. (The closed nature of the bass compartment also explains why when using mics inside an accordion 3, 4, 5 or mics are used on the treble side and only 1 or sometimes 2 on the bass side.)


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - maugein96 - 02-08-2019

From what I've read it would appear that bassetti was unique to Giulietti accordions supplied to the US market, so it would be extremely doubtful if they were still being made, even to order.

On the topic of unusual bass systems, the Azeri garmon, as played in the clip below, has two rows of bass buttons for the left hand that are a mirror image of the treble piano keys. Only difference between the two sides is round bass buttons and small piano type treble keys.  

Azeri players don't tend to use the bass side much for melody, as you'll see.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=morCshhQwrY

Looks like the bride has heard better, or would rather listen to Azeri guitar.


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - Stephen - 07-08-2019

Take a look at the Fisitalia website. 
They have a 5 rows free bass called Fisitalia Ergo bayan in the online catalogue.


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - debra - 07-08-2019

(07-08-2019, 02:56 AM)Stephen Wrote: Take a look at the Fisitalia website. 
They have a 5 rows free bass called Fisitalia Ergo bayan in the online catalogue.

Great find! That looks more or less like the accordion I saw in Germany, but it was an old instrument and I don't know the brand. The lefthand keyboard looked like this one.


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - Stephen - 07-08-2019

The hyperlink to the Fisitalia Bayan ERGO:
http://www.fisitalia.com/acc-bayanergo.aspx

The 2017 Press release by Fisitalia about the Bayan ERGO:
http://www.accordions.com/index/squ/archives/1706/ergo_en/

This shop says it is a convertor, also with 100 standard basses... (??):
http://www.musiquepiccand.ch/fisitalia-bayan-ergo-h-ht-hb/

https://www.strumentiemusica.com/en/highlights/all-secrets-of-the-young-artisan-company-fisitalia-castelfidardo/

I didn't find a YT video of the Fisitalia Bayan Ergo, I would like to compare with the Zero Sette stepped bass, demonstrated by Oivind Farmen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlJ4FilITc
Oivind Farmen steps in the bass

Addendum:
Only found a similar model like the Fisitalia Bayan Ergo, a Borsini free bass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vF-zH9NOLM
Louis Couperin : Passacaille à l'harmonéon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE-0FNgzEKY
G.F. Haendel: Allegro


RE: Chromatic Button Accordions, 5-row - fphlpsnrg - 07-08-2019

Thanks. Earlier yesterday a friend had sent me the same link to Fisitalia. I've updated the original post.