Wanted Saltarelle Chaville or similar.
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Another usefull website where details are easier found, at times, than on the brand owner's sites, mostly new accordions though: <URL url="http://www.lamalleauxaccordeons.fr">www.lamalleauxaccordeons.fr</URL>

and a small retailer/repairman who sells Castagnari's at a discount: <URL url="http://www.loric-accordeons.com">www.loric-accordeons.com</URL>
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#22
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maugein96 post_id=65832 time=1547817612 user_id=607 Wrote:Phil,
Be careful with 6 row bass models, unless you fancy a change of bass configuration. Normal set up is 3/3 bass in France, but you might know that already. If you look hard you will find 2/4 as they do exist there, but they are nowhere near as common.
I suspect the 2/4 is more common in Brittany as some CBA players want their box to look like the traditional wooden diatonic !
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maugein96 post_id=65832 time=1547817612 user_id=607 Wrote:Phil,
Be careful with 6 row bass models, unless you fancy a change of bass configuration. Normal set up is 3/3 bass in France, but you might know that already. If you look hard you will find 2/4 as they do exist there, but they are nowhere near as common.
I suspect the 2/4 is more common in Brittany as some CBA players want their box to look like the traditional wooden diatonic !

Sally,

Sounds all too traditional in Brittany for me. Think you should move to Limousin, and you could be a winner with this one.

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I was thinking of e-mailing Maugein and telling them that their wooden boxes were too drab looking, but they came up with this one. A beautiful sounding instrument, and they're offering free paint to alter the finish if you don't care for the production model, providing you allow the local primary school kids to do it for you.

They made some really ugly looking boxes in the 50s, and it's great to see that they have sorted all that out.
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#24
I bought one of these a few years ago. The photo does it no justice whatsoever, as it's considerably worse than that, with thousands of hideous little spangles, with sound to match. Perhaps I shouldn't be too critical of people with natural artistic abilities. They said it would suit a beginner, but I think they meant kids who were beginning to walk. It has its uses though. I had a cupboard that needed something of that size to fill it up with.

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<QUOTE author="maugein96" post_id="65842" time="1547829087" user_id="607"><s>
maugein96 post_id=65842 time=1547829087 user_id=607 Wrote:I bought one of these a few years ago. The photo does it no justice whatsoever, as it's considerably worse than that, with thousands of hideous little spangles, with sound to match. Perhaps I shouldn't be too critical of people with natural artistic abilities. They said it would suit a beginner, but I think they meant kids who were beginning to walk. It has its uses though. I had a cupboard that needed something of that size to fill it up with.

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Are you sure that's not a transformer, like from the movies?. I think it is. Perhaps it transforms into a VW Bug or maybe a bicycle. I know, a bumble bee or some big flying moth!
Cordially, Tony
Artisto, Italian, LMM, 41/120, PA
Warning: Only speaks/understands American English
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#26
Tony,

Best about it was I had a choice of colour and could have had it in a more sedate two tone brown. Not sure if it would have looked much better, but that colour would have been more in keeping with the spirit of the instrument. I actually bought it from a US dealer and saved about $500 on the deal than if I had bought it here.

Looks like Hohner has dropped them from their range. My eyesight has improved since I've had it, as several of the little bass buttons which screw in have stripped threads and the buttons keep falling off onto the floor. I can now find them and have them back on in under two hours. I'll superglue them on at some point, maybe when I get round to gluing the bellows shut!

I'm led to believe the Hohner Novas that never had the misfortune to be part of the French "Fun" range are of better construction, and some people on here have told me there is nothing wrong with them. I'll take their word for that.

I was looking for a lighter instrument and I bought it instead of a new Roland FR1 x b. Looks like I backed the loser, as it was actually dearer than the Roland.

The say we all live and learn, but some of us don't make a very good job of the learning bit. First and last time I'll ever buy a box without trying it first.
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maugein96 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:20 pm
Phil,
Be careful with 6 row bass models, unless you fancy a change of bass configuration. Normal set up is 3/3 bass in France, but you might know that already. If you look hard you will find 2/4 as they do exist there, but they are nowhere near as common.


I quite like the idea of 3/3 bass as I don’t think I have ever (intentionally) used a diminished chord
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#28
You bought it from a US dealer, had it shipped to Scotland and still saved $500? My God, what are those dealers doing over there?

I considered a Roland at one point but came to the conclusion that there is nothing like the sound of a real acoustic accordion and will stick to those. I view them as electronic sound synthesizers that happen to be in the shape of an accordion. Also think that 26 keys on are to limiting for the music I attempt to play but I understand the button model is more endowed.

I'm also on the lookout for a nice lightweight, 5 button, LMM machine that sounds descent but have come to the conclusion that those terms are mutually exclusive. My "big" accordion weights only 20 pounds but I've found that at my age, anything that heavy hanging from any part of my body gets distracting.

Trying before buying is a challenge for me too. The closest store with an inventory is a two day trip. However, I will keep on looking.
Cordially, Tony
Artisto, Italian, LMM, 41/120, PA
Warning: Only speaks/understands American English
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#29
I've had 6 or 7 French made accordions. They have all been UK imports with the basses arranged 2/4. I do tend to use the dim7 when playing jazzy latin stuff, and believe it or not if a French dealer has a 2/4 in stock they'll mention that configuration suits jazz players. I honestly don't know whether it does or not, and a French maker named "Gadji" actually make accordions with the basses specifically configured to suit jazz players. Precisely what that involves is beyond my knowledge, but from memory a few people on here declared it to be a total waste of time. If they'd only checked with this forum first before they made them!? To be fair I don't think they've sold all that many.

In France some retailers call it 2/4, and some refer to it as 4/2. I used to do what they do in France, and refer to the arrangements on here as 3+3 and 2+4. I stopped doing that after it was pointed out to me that in North America those configurations written with a "+" sign have a different meaning there. I cannot now remember what that was, so I just write 3/3 or 2/4 and so far so good. Once again, it seems that French retailers should check here first before they start confusing people!

Seems some French dealers might take a trade in whilst others won't, but I'm sure you'll find something suitable.
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<QUOTE author="StargazerTony" post_id="65861" time="1547853577" user_id="2434"><s>
StargazerTony post_id=65861 time=1547853577 user_id=2434 Wrote:You bought it from a US dealer, had it shipped to Scotland and still saved $500? My God, what are those dealers doing over there?

Trying before buying is a challenge for me too. The closest store with an inventory is a two day trip. However, I will keep on looking.

Tony,

The UK is notorious for creating so many underlying taxes that we call ourselves "Rip-Off Britain" . Musical instruments are pretty dear here compared with what they cost in the US.

The retail price of the box in France was about $2500, $2100 in the UK, and $1300 in the US. The seller was a prominent Hohner dealer who specialises in 3 row melodeons, but for some reason they got a batch of these along with Panthers, Compadres, etc they got from China. They sold it on eBay, but I cannot remember their name.

Box arrived in due course, and even after I had paid all the taxes and import duty I managed to save the cash. The killer is we have to pay the courier to reseal the carton after our Customs officers open just about everything that arrives here from your side. Also, biggest delay was the week it took to complete a rail journey in the US. It arrived with a sliver of wood stuck in one of the reeds and two reeds out of tune, but other than that it was OK.

We used to make a real kill on electric guitars by buying them from the US. Gibsons and Fenders used to be half the price they were here, and our Customs only opened some packages until they worked out what was going on. Nowadays every guitar carton is opened and it isn't really worth it any more. The accordion wasn't quite half the UK price, but was still worth ordering from the US. Or it would have been if it was a bit better quality.

The little two voice CBA Hohner Novas (mercifully different from the one in the pic) made for the French market still retail there for about the $2500 mark,and they aren't exactly cheap second hand either. However, a new entry level Cavagnolo or Maugein costs about $4600 so they do tend to sell quite a few of them. I currently own two French accordions and if I was crazy enough to have bought them new I would have had no change back from about $22000. I paid about $5500 in total for the two of them, but one is from 1970, and the other from about 1990. They'll both outlast me and there will be no other imports on my own initiative.
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#31
Today travelled to Dijon. First met Vincent Roux to chat about Saltarelle in general. Unfortunately following a break in last week that lost them their entire stock that had nothing to show me. 

Then to see Joel of  JJmusic. He was willing to take my Maugein in part exchange so I am now the proud owner of a Saltarelle Bourroche
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(05-02-2019, 10:59 PM)Philh4955 Wrote: Today travelled to Dijon. First met Vincent Roux to chat about Saltarelle in general. Unfortunately following a break in last week that lost them their entire stock that had nothing to show me. 

Then to see Joel of  JJmusic. He was willing to take my Maugein in part exchange so I am now the proud owner of a Saltarelle Bourroche

Hi Phil,

Thanks for letting us know how it all turned out for you. JJ has an impressive stock of accordions and I'm glad he took your Maugein. Georges Pellegrini (south of Lyon) regularly works on peigne arriere boxes, and I've never seen him make any adverse comments about the mechanism. I suppose they are like the old fashioned French cars. If you get a repairer who knows all about their idiosyncrasies, they'll have no trouble at all with them. Mind you Georges will be 73 this year, and hopefully he'll have trained one or two 63 year old apprentices to keep it all going. 

Break ins like the one you describe are unfortunately one of the features of modern day Europe. If they were PAs I'd hazard a guess that they'd now be for sale in the area where Dracula lived, but CBAs don't feature much there at all, especially not C system. 

Hope you get a lot of pleasure out of your new box. Just don't leave it in sight in your car!
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#33
Good luck with the Bourroche Phil.

You story does make one wonder what the thief ( thieves) could possibly want with the entire stock from Saltarelle ? We'll have to keep a look out for someone knocking out job lots of melodeons!!
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(06-02-2019, 07:05 AM)Geoff de Limousin Wrote: Good luck with the Bourroche  Phil.

You  story  does make one  wonder  what  the thief ( thieves)  could possibly want  with the entire stock  from  Saltarelle  ?  We'll have to keep a look out for  someone  knocking out  job lots of melodeons!!

Hate to say it Geoff, but it's been pretty cold of late, and all that beautiful looking timber looks as though it would keep people warm for a day or two. 

If they break into Cava's place they might get caught, as that carbon fibre stuff is bound to stink if they try to burn it, assuming it burns at all!
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