Hohner Gaelic IVS Layout
#1
I have tried to ask this on the "button box" but it seems they are not accepting new members, so here goes.

I am interested in buying a Hohner Gaelic IVS but only if the RHS layout is identical to the Shand Morino but obviously with less keys. 
Could some of our members advise please.

I have always wanted a Shand Morino but am not willing to invest unless I am able to play both the Morino and my PA.

If the layouts are the same - is there any written instructions for learning to play this instrument ?

Thanks
Stuart
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#2
It's standard B/C/C# on the right and Stradella on the left isn't it?
http://forum.melodeon.net/files/site/BCCkirkpatrick.gif

George Garside, member here, is a good man for B/C/C# instructional material.

Is the Gaelic intended as a stepping stone to a Shand Morino and that's why the same layout is important?
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#3
(13-03-2019, 04:36 PM)Stuart26 Wrote: I have tried to ask this on the "button box" but it seems they are not accepting new members, so here goes.

I am interested in buying a Hohner Gaelic IVS but only if the RHS layout is identical to the Shand Morino but obviously with less keys. 
Could some of our members advise please.

I have always wanted a Shand Morino but am not willing to invest unless I am able to play both the Morino and my PA.

If the layouts are the same - is there any written instructions for learning to play this instrument ?

Thanks
Stuart

(13-03-2019, 04:36 PM)Stuart26 Wrote: I have tried to ask this on the "button box" but it seems they are not accepting new members, so here goes.

I am interested in buying a Hohner Gaelic IVS but only if the RHS layout is identical to the Shand Morino but obviously with less keys. 
Could some of our members advise please.

I have always wanted a Shand Morino but am not willing to invest unless I am able to play both the Morino and my PA.

If the layouts are the same - is there any written instructions for learning to play this instrument ?

Thanks
Stuart

Yes, if I can master the layout I would like a Shand Morino.

What is the difference between a Gaelic IV and a Gaelic IVS ?

Are there other 3 row button accordions with match the Morino RHS layout ?
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#4
Any BCC# will be the same configuration. As well as the bass side
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#5
I have a Casali 48 bass B/C/C# that is identical to the 'gif' referring to JK's box. This is because he sold it to me.
I can confirm what has been said about the RH. The bass has the (relatively) unusual but v useful 12 X 4 layout which is not limiting in the choice of key but does not have the 2 outer chord rows (7th and dim) - in other words just like the core 48 buttons on the CBA I now play.
Richard
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#6
(14-03-2019, 10:37 AM)dunlustin Wrote: I have a Casali 48 bass B/C/C# that is identical to the 'gif' referring to JK's box. This is because he sold it to me.
I can confirm what has been said about the RH. The bass has the (relatively) unusual but v useful 12 X 4 layout which is not limiting in the choice of key but does not have the 2 outer chord rows (7th and dim) - in other words just like the core 48 buttons on the CBA I now play.

I should think your Casali would be quite sought-after, in the admittedly relatively small world of BCC#-ers!
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#7
Thanks for all the useful replies. 

Dunlustin, is you Casali for sale ?
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#8
I have a gaelic and see it as a poor mans Shand Morino. Its aslo significantly lighter than a SM. right hand is standard BCC# layout and left 96 stradella.

The BCC# is best treated as a 2 row BC initially and the scales C, G,D ,A E learned in that order. When that is accomplished (simply follow a keyboard chart) the inside row will come into play. Do exactly the same fingering on the inside 2 rows and you get the 'flat keys; The inside row is also used to ease some tricky fingering and bellows movements when playing on the outside 2 rows as the inside row notes are mostly in opposite direction to on the outside row. So when 2 row playing is mastered introduce the F# and C on the inside row as alternatives.

You only need to learn 5 scales to play in 12 keys!

george
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#9
Tom Br wrote
'I should think your Casali would be quite sought-after'
The world of B/C/C# boxes seems to be even smaller than that of its fans! It took me about 20 years to get my hands on one. This was before a couple of makers restarted production.
I once drove from the South Coast to Sheffield to buy a Gaelic, described by the shop as vgc, only to find it was a wreck.
The advantage of any push/pull box is that it is even more compact than a cba. I played DGA diatonic for 20+ years - a great intro to cba as fingering patterns become options not rules. All cba players should be made to play 2-row diatonic for at least 5 years before switching (grin!). Come to think of it, at least in France, that probably was true in the past.
Richard
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#10
If anyone in in range of Southport (mersyside)   requires  BCC tuition I can offer it either on a regular basis or as occasional 'one off' lessons 

george (georg.egarside@btinternet.com)
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