“Castelfidardo” brand?

[Morganliupackard]

Hi accordionists. There’s what looks to be a higher end instrument at a music store near me. I don’t recognize the brand and don’t see “Castelfidardo Cassotto V” anywhere on the internet. Is this a known brand? Is there any way to get some more info on this instrument?

Thanks!

Castelfidardo Cassotto V Piano Accordion Made in Italy (USED)

Castelfidardo Cassotto V Piano Accordion Made in Italy (USED)

www.centremusic.com

 

[debra]

That accordion appears to be a Giustozzi, a smaller accordion "factory" in Castelfidardo.
There are more accordion makers in Castelfidardo that put the name of the town on their accordions.

 

[Morganliupackard]

Thank you! Much appreciated! Very few higher end accordions in the used market in the northeast US and this is right by me so gonna check it out.

 

[Ventura]

you might want to look harder.. you are in the very center of the
mid-atlantic high end accordion area and there are plenty of driving distance
and marketplace used options nearby.. Falcetti in Springfield
for ex. and Music Magic less than 4 hours away, not to mention
New York City

for your $5 Grand you can get a lot of attention from these places
for brand new boxes

 

[niels]

Giustozzi would be my guess as well
In the link some pictures, different colour but some similarities too. Plus a bit of history on Giustozzi.

Cassotto IV | The Free Reed

In the early 20th century, Joseph Giustozzi began to delve into the world of accordions. He had worked with Settimio Soprani. The first Giustozzi accordion dates back to 1924 and is now displayed in the Castelfidardo Accordion Museum. Jospeh's accordion enthusiasm also grabbed this sons Louis...

vapaalehdykka.net

 

[Morganliupackard]

you might want to look harder.. you are in the very center of the
mid-atlantic high end accordion area and there are plenty of driving distance
and marketplace used options nearby.. Falcetti in Springfield
for ex. and Music Magic less than 4 hours away, not to mention
New York City

for your $5 Grand you can get a lot of attention from these places
for brand new boxes

Thanks! For four reed double tone chamber, looks to me like new instruments start at around $8k. I’ve done Craigslist and reverb.com searches of the northeast US with a minimum price of $3k and there’s not a lot. A new instrument isn’t out of the question, but if I can buy used in great condition for significantly less money, I’ll do that.

 

[JudyKimp]

Giustozzi would be my guess as well
In the link some pictures, different colour but some similarities too. Plus a bit of history on Giustozzi.

Cassotto IV | The Free Reed

In the early 20th century, Joseph Giustozzi began to delve into the world of accordions. He had worked with Settimio Soprani. The first Giustozzi accordion dates back to 1924 and is now displayed in the Castelfidardo Accordion Museum. Jospeh's accordion enthusiasm also grabbed this sons Louis...

vapaalehdykka.net

Yes, you can see in one of the pictures that it has "Giustozzi" on the wrist strap.

 

[Alan Sharkis]

The accordion, if it’s the one in the picture also has Music Tech MIDI in it and what seems to be a mike output along with the connector for a MIDI firing cable, so make sure that it also comes with the firing cable and the power/tone generator box for the MIDI unit.

 

[Alan Sharkis]

you might want to look harder.. you are in the very center of the
mid-atlantic high end accordion area and there are plenty of driving distance
and marketplace used options nearby.. Falcetti in Springfield
for ex. and Music Magic less than 4 hours away, not to mention
New York City

for your $5 Grand you can get a lot of attention from these places
for brand new boxes

Doesn’t anyone look at the pictures in the posting, assuming that the accordion that’s illustrated is the accordion to be checked out?

 

[Ventura]

Doesn’t anyone look at the pictures in the posting, assuming that the accordion that’s illustrated is the accordion to be checked out?

yes i looked, and pretty sure the price
4 months ago is what prompted my
"you can get a lot of accordion for $5 grand"

whattaya think of this Beltuna in Delaware ?

Beltuna Studio IV Accordion, 41 keys, 120 bass, LMMM - musical instruments - by owner - sale - craigslist

Beltuna Studio IV Accordion, 41 treble keys, 120 bass, with Luxe reeds (4/5 LMMM). Made in Italy in 2017. Color is Red Shadow with pearlized keys and bass buttons, all in excellent shape. Full size...

wilmington.craigslist.org

is that competitive in the guys price rabge ?

 

[Alan Sharkis]

yes i looked, and pretty sure the price
4 months ago is what prompted my
"you can get a lot of accordion for $5 grand"

whattaya think of this Beltuna in Delaware ?

Beltuna Studio IV Accordion, 41 keys, 120 bass, LMMM - musical instruments - by owner - sale - craigslist

Beltuna Studio IV Accordion, 41 treble keys, 120 bass, with Luxe reeds (4/5 LMMM). Made in Italy in 2017. Color is Red Shadow with pearlized keys and bass buttons, all in excellent shape. Full size...

wilmington.craigslist.org

is that competitive in the guys price rabge ?

Hmmm. A lot of the ad is about cosmetics.

Beltuna is known for its high end stuff and innovation, but what does ‘Studio’ mean in Beltuna-speak?

Can you give me a hint about Luxe reeds with no indication of AM, TAM or export?

OK, the tuning is described as very wet, and the numbers given — unrealistic? On that basis alone, I wouldn’t say I’d want the accordion at all — if the ad is to be believed.

As for pictures, who’s to say that the pictures do match the accordion in question?

What kind of measure is an asking price, anyway?

Now, getting back to the ad that Morganliupackard is pursuing, sure the pictures show stuff that nobody noticed, like the MIDI. As you once said. MIDI can cost a lot to install, but isn’t worth anything on resale. It was in the pictures in question and I spotted it, but it’s up to a potential buyer if that buyer wants it. If not, the buyer has a choice:

1. Ignore it.

2, Have fun with it — assuming the power box and firing cable are available and working, and get to like it anyway.

That’s just one example.

Bottom line: what’s this specific accordion worth to the buyer?

 

[Ventura]

my guess for the build on that Gui would be 1990 - 2010
and it is a 5 reed
so it is probably all italian built physically, as i have not heard or seen
a 5 reed donor body out of China (yet)
so if we assume standard quality and parts, action being typical 3rd
party, then the reeds are the main factor for assigning value

obviously, hands on ears on is the only next step available, and
at the current asking price it would be worth investing the time
and effort into this one to find out, but buying it sight unseen would
be idiotic in my opinion. Because it is unbranded, the MOST one
could infer IF you choose to believe the build is Gui (based on nothing
bur the bass strap) then it was most likely built to be re-branded
under one of the many boutique brand ma, but somehow
it escaped into the wild without ever being christened

 

[Ventura]

Hmmm. A lot of the ad is about cosmetics.

Beltuna is known for its high end stuff and innovation, but what does ‘Studio’ mean in Beltuna-speak?

Can you give me a hint about Luxe reeds with no indication of AM, TAM or export?

OK, the tuning is described as very wet, and the numbers given — unrealistic? On that basis alone, I wouldn’t say I’d want the accordion at all — if the ad is to be believed.

As for pictures, who’s to say that the pictures do match the accordion in question?

What kind of measure is an asking price, anyway?

Now, getting back to the ad that Morganliupackard is pursuing, sure the pictures show stuff that nobody noticed, like the MIDI. As you once said. MIDI can cost a lot to install, but isn’t worth anything on resale. It was in the pictures in question and I spotted it, but it’s up to a potential buyer if that buyer wants it. If not, the buyer has a choice:

1. Ignore it.

2, Have fun with it — assuming the power box and firing cable are available and working, and get to like it anyway.

That’s just one example.

Bottom line: what’s this specific accordion worth to the buyer?

that is the kind of critical analysis EVERYONE should be doing
instead of reading and believing advertising exaggerations
and mysterious legend and lore

look closely, THINK, research, THINK

 

[Morganliupackard]

yes i looked, and pretty sure the price
4 months ago is what prompted my
"you can get a lot of accordion for $5 grand"

whattaya think of this Beltuna in Delaware ?

Beltuna Studio IV Accordion, 41 keys, 120 bass, LMMM - musical instruments - by owner - sale - craigslist

Beltuna Studio IV Accordion, 41 treble keys, 120 bass, with Luxe reeds (4/5 LMMM). Made in Italy in 2017. Color is Red Shadow with pearlized keys and bass buttons, all in excellent shape. Full size...

wilmington.craigslist.org

is that competitive in the guys price rabge ?

Thanks for pointing this one out. This is a LMMM instrument (with extreme musette) and won't work for my purposes. Also no mention of tone chamber in the posting. I'm looking for LMMH tone chamber, subtle musette.