7 row stradella bass

[accordian]

how useful do ya
think a 7 row stradella
would be? I was just thinking
if there was an extra row at the top
filled with another octave of notes
then you could play pretty much anything
I mean you already can by different patters
but I mean in a piano fashion.

I know that's the idea of free bass however
I attempted a song the otherday
and thought how hand it would be

 

[wirralaccordion]

It would be handy if you had two left hands or six fingers on the one you already have!

 

[xocd]

Perhaps you would find the quint free-bass system interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-bass_system

 

[accordian]

Perhaps you would find the quint free-bass system interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-bass_system

not entirely sure what
im sposed to be looking
at to be honest.

I do plan to eventually go roland
which I hear they have free bass
and so Im looking forward to trying

 

[xocd]

Let's call the left hand button row closest to the bellows row number one; with row number two being the next one and so on. On the quint free bass rows 3 and 4 repeat rows 1 and 2 one octave higher; similarly for rows 5 and 6 yet one octave higher. So, on a typical 6-row left hand you have three octaves, which is, I thought, in the spirit of your original message.

 

[accordian]

Lets call the left hand button row closest to the bellows row number one; with row number two being the next one and so on. On the quint free bass rows 3 and 4 repeat rows 1 and 2 one octave higher; similarly for rows 5 and 6 yet one octave higher. So, on a typical 6-row left hand you have three octaves, which is, I thought, in the spirit of your original message.

it is i just didnt realise the picture
it shows is a little blurry and
difficult to see

 

[debra]

7 row (140 bass typically) can give you 3 rows of single notes (base note, major third, minor third) and then 4 rows of chords. That's useful.
For a quint convertor it would not be useful: you need an even number of rows for that.

 

[Geronimo]

7 row (140 bass typically) can give you 3 rows of single notes (base note, major third, minor third)

While I think that there are instances of that layout, I seem to remember base note, major third, another major third on top to be more common and certainly more logical. Note that this puts the minor third still in convenient reach since its a major third up and a half note down which is one step in on the right diagonal and another on the wrong diagonal.

 

[debra]

7 row (140 bass typically) can give you 3 rows of single notes (base note, major third, minor third)

While I think that there are instances of that layout, I seem to remember base note, major third, another major third on top to be more common and certainly more logical. Note that this puts the minor third still in convenient reach since its a major third up and a half note down which is one step in on the right diagonal and another on the wrong diagonal.

That was what I meant. The 7 rows are 1) minor third, 2) major third, 3) base note, 4) major chord, 5) minor chord, 6) seventh, 7) diminished.

 

[xocd]

it is i just didnt realise the picture
it shows is a little blurry and
difficult to see

Click on the picture; it will expand.

 

[donn]

While I think that there are instances of that layout, I seem to remember base note, major third, another major third on top to be more common and certainly more logical. Note that this puts the minor third still in convenient reach since its a major third up and a half note down which is one step in on the right diagonal and another on the wrong diagonal.

That was what I meant. The 7 rows are 1) minor third, 2) major third, 3) base note, 4) major chord, 5) minor chord, 6) seventh, 7) diminished.

I dont know - what Geronimo describes is the way my 3/3 stradella works, and the first row is not minor third, its a sixth (third + third.)

If the first row is a minor third relative to the primary row in the same column ... indeed there
appear to be instances of that, but I consider it to be a design error that likely comes from someone who heard about 3/3 but didnt understand how it worked. In the normal version, each row bears the same relation to the previous row. Im willing to believe that no 7 row stradella layout follows the normal 3/3 arrangement - I cant imagine the French going for 7 row stradella to begin with - I can only speak about 3/3 6 row.

 

[Krikri]

Yeh, 7 rows is a mix between french (3+3) and internationnal system (4+2). So 3 bass rows and 4 chords (diminished Included)rows.

 

[Geronimo]

Im willing to believe that no 7 row stradella layout follows the normal 3/3 arrangement - I cant imagine the French going for 7 row stradella to begin with - I can only speak about 3/3 6 row.

The 3/4 arrangement with 140 basses is common for dugmetara, the Serbian 6-row B system CBA.

 

[maugein96]

Heres a photo of one for sale in Belgrade, Serbia, for 1500 Euros. They call accordions Harmonkas there

Dugmetarska 6 rowB system CBA with 140 bass.

Looks well used, and I think Id be looking for one in better condition.



Dugmetara is the word used to describe the treble keyboard arrangement on these instruments. The keyboard is flat (non-stepped as per a normal CBA) and the treble buttons depress into holes cut in the keyboard when they are played. You can actually get Dugmetara electronic keyboards, and if you are a decent shorthand typist you should be able to type 100 keys per minute. They look very tricky and awkward to play.

The Swiss and the Swedes have their own versions of these flat keyboards, but they are (usually) 5 row and C system.

 

[Geronimo]

Heres a photo of one for sale in Belgrade, Serbia, for 1500 Euros. They call accordions Harmonkas there

Dugmetarska 6 rowB system CBA with 140 bass.

Looks well used, and I think Id be looking for one in better condition.

I think Dallapé is the go-to brand for dugmetaras (there were like two other Italian brands among further mentions but I dont remember which. Paolo Soprani for one maybe?) so its hard to avoid well used. I think the most popular instruments are passed around like Alfred Arnold bandonions in Argentina because nobody can pay for a new instrument of that factual or mythological quality anyway.

 

[maugein96]

Heres a photo of one for sale in Belgrade, Serbia, for 1500 Euros. They call accordions Harmonkas there

Dugmetarska 6 rowB system CBA with 140 bass.

Looks well used, and I think Id be looking for one in better condition.

I think Dallapé is the go-to brand for dugmetaras (there were like two other Italian brands among further mentions but I dont remember which. Paolo Soprani for one maybe?) so its hard to avoid well used. I think the most popular instruments are passed around like Alfred Arnold bandonions in Argentina because nobody can pay for a new instrument of that factual or mythological quality anyway.

The other Italian makes which come to mind are Settimio Soprani, Scandalli, Guerrini, and Siwa & Figli, although I believe that Beltuna may be the only current Italian maker with their Balkan Star range . All of those makers seem to have built them with 140 bass. Weltmeister and Hohner also made them, as per photos Ive seen of them on the internet, and Im sure Ive seen the very odd one of Asian manufacture.

I became interested in them after I saw a French accordion teacher teaching a young Eastern European kid how to play one on a French TV documentary. I think I played the video back four or five times as I thought I was miscounting the number of treble and bass rows. I like Balkan music but have never really tried playing it much on the accordion.

I was in Bosnia and Hercegovina several years ago and stumbled upon the local sevdah music, which is played almost exclusively on PA there, although I did see a kid playing a normal B system Chinese Royal Standard CBA in Mostar. I wouldnt like to say what type of Balkan music he was playing on it, as I dont really know the difference between the various styles, but it was definitely similar to the sevdah I kept hearing in the shops and restaurants.

A Croatian relative of my wifes explained that it was mainly the Serbs and Bosnians who played dugmetara keyboards, and suggested that I never pursued my interest in Serbian music whilst I was there, as they hadnt yet finished patching up the bullet holes in the buildings in Makarska, Croatia, where we were staying, and tensions were still a bit high at times. Interestingly, it would appear that the Bosnian word dugmetara actually refers to any type of CBA accordion, and is not confined to the special Balkan type 6 row. They refer to PA as the Klavirna Harmonika.

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[Morne]

Whenever I see a reference to the 7 row bass I think of these older pre-war systems with the augmented chord:
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There they used the minor third, so it definitely isnt a modern design error.

 

[Geronimo]

Interestingly, it would appear that the Bosnian word dugmetara actually refers to any type of CBA accordion, and is not confined to the special Balkan type 6 row.

Well yeah. Its like with bayan which has a reasonably precise definition anywhere but in Russia itself where any CBA gets called the same.

When foreigners stoop to the local word, they need something rather special as incentive.

 

[Geronimo]

Whenever I see a reference to the 7 row bass I think of these older pre-war systems with the augmented chord:
Hohner1937_11.jpg

There they used the minor third, so it definitely isnt a modern design error.

Oh good grief. That does not look particularly player friendly. Its interesting that they have saved themselves an extra row for diminished chords by folding them into the seventh chords.

 

[maugein96]

Interestingly, it would appear that the Bosnian word dugmetara actually refers to any type of CBA accordion, and is not confined to the special Balkan type 6 row.

Well yeah. Its like with bayan which has a reasonably precise definition anywhere but in Russia itself where any CBA gets called the same.

When foreigners stoop to the local word, they need something rather special as incentive.

Yes, I think I get it. Never saw a CBA in Croatia, and I know what you mean about bayan.