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A comparison of various accordions 🤫

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To me:
The Tembr does amazingly well for $50 😯.
The Royal Standard sounds well out of tune.🤫
The Roland FR8xb sounds pretty good .🙂
 
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I saw this video a while back. The acoustics all sounded ok, albeit one was quite out of tune, but the tones he selected for the Roland were completely "blah" He likely took the worst tone possible out of all of the 50+ accordion styles and used that to compare against.

A nice Balkan, Alpine or Dallape sound would have blown his current choice out of the water. Not a really good comparison, IMHO.
 
I think the worst part about the Roland is the bass - or has he picked some instrument other than an accordion for the bass in that demo? To me it sounds nothing like an accordion!
 
I saw this video a while back. The acoustics all sounded ok, albeit one was quite out of tune, but the tones he selected for the Roland were completely "blah" He likely took the worst tone possible out of all of the 50+ accordion styles and used that to compare against.

A nice Balkan, Alpine or Dallape sound would have blown his current choice out of the water. Not a really good comparison, IMHO.
On another forum, somebody responded to my post about having the ability to edit the virtual reeds so that I could get the exact sound I want by saying that they “don’t like the sound of the Roland.” I was about to ask them which of the Roland’s several hundred sounds displeases them, but I didn’t want to start an argument. Obviously, this person hadn’t really given themselves a chance to listen with an open mind.
 
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I saw this video a while back. The acoustics all sounded ok, albeit one was quite out of tune, but the tones he selected for the Roland were completely "blah" He likely took the worst tone possible out of all of the 50+ accordion styles and used that to compare against.

Yup, my views on watching it a while back too. It didn’t make the Roland sound good at all!

I enjoy this Ukrainian player’s videos a lot. He also often asks on YouTube community what types of songs people would like him to play next.
 
I think the worst part about the Roland is the bass - or has he picked some instrument other than an accordion for the bass in that demo? To me it sounds nothing like an accordion!
No, it wasn't. I don't know who he was trying to impress, but that demo, total fail. It's ok, it could have been worse, but he definitely did not change anyone's mind on why the V-accordion was so expensive. :)
 
My wife said the $50 accordion is the real accordion, others are alien instruments (they are not accordion at least), lolol
 
My wife said the $50 accordion is the real accordion, others are alien instruments (they are not accordion at least), lolol
Well, about the last one (the Roland) she is right: it's not an accordion but an accordion-shaped kind of synthesizer.
The first two accordion are very low end accordions that are also horribly out of tune. The economic value of the first one is lower than the cost of a tuning job. The second might still be salvageable. The Pigini and the Ukrainian bayan actually sound quite good. For someone who wants a nice accordion these two may be the only ones to consider, so that gives an idea of what used accordions cost.
 
Well, about the last one (the Roland) she is right: it's not an accordion but an accordion-shaped kind of synthesizer.
The first two accordion are very low end accordions that are also horribly out of tune. The economic value of the first one is lower than the cost of a tuning job. The second might still be salvageable. The Pigini and the Ukrainian bayan actually sound quite good. For someone who wants a nice accordion these two may be the only ones to consider, so that gives an idea of what used accordions cost.
For the Roland, my thinking is the end sound of each note is too sharp, or say it is too clear (the sound ends right away after the finger left the key), which is some wierd for me as there is no short viberation after each note sound. It may be because I hear too much "cheap" and general accordion and adapt to that, so the "accordion-shaped kind of synthesizer" is....just wierd to me, lolol

Actually, my wife's thinking might represent lots of people's memory and impression of accordion, it is not a formal music instrument, but just playing the music when they walking by the river (in Europe) and in the subway tunnel, so the accordion should heard like the first one....
 
For the Roland, my thinking is the end sound of each note is too sharp, or say it is too clear (the sound ends right away after the finger left the key), which is some wierd for me as there is no short viberation after each note sound. It may be because I hear too much "cheap" and general accordion and adapt to that, so the "accordion-shaped kind of synthesizer" is....just wierd to me, lolol
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Actually the sound from the Roland is generated according to (physics) models of how an accordion works. It is not sampled from a real accordion. The models are inaccurate and that causes the Roland to not sound like a real accordion. But the model does include all side effects, like keyboard clicks and the "growl" of the notes still vibrating after the key is released. These side effects can all be adjusted. If you want more "growl" you can change that. The model includes other things like the frequency (especially of low notes) dropping a tiny bit as volume increases. They tried really hard at Roland to have an accurate model of how an accordion produces sound. They initially did the same with their digital pianos which also did not sound like a real piano. With pianos all manufacturers (including Roland) have given up on modeling the sound of a piano and use actual sound samples of real (grand) pianos. I'm very happy with my Yamaha digital piano because it sounds like a Yamaha grand piano. I once tried a Kawaii digital piano and didn't like its sound. Then I tried the Kawaii grand piano standing next to it... it sounded pretty much the same. With accordions... there are several digital accordions with sampled accordion sound, sounding just like a real accordion (but perhaps struggling a bit with the subtle dynamics of bellows control) but Roland seems to not have gone this route but rather appears to have given up on digital accordions completely...
 
I think the worst part about the Roland is the bass - or has he picked some instrument other than an accordion for the bass in that demo? To me it sounds nothing like an accordion!
This is part of the Roland Fr8x that attracted me. When playing an acoustic accordion you have only one tuning with perhaps a few different reed combinations so you're limited that way while on an electronic instrument you can use different sounds and styles to complement the accordion sounds from the right hand. When playing solo you can emulate a small combo when the situation calls for this.

As for the more pleasing sound, it really boils down to personal taste. You can listen to an expensive and high quality acoustic accordion that is dry tuned and chose a lower quality and cheaper instrument because you find something in the sound that suits you better. These comparisons are very much like those lists of the "best songs ever " because your taste is invariably different than everyone else's. Remember that it's not the price, tuning or size of the instrument, it's how you play it. ;)
 
Yup! And I'm having such a hard time making my Stratocaster sound like my mahogany Simon and Patrick. Maybe there's a sampled midi. 😉😉😉
 
Actually the sound from the Roland is generated according to (physics) models of how an accordion works. It is not sampled from a real accordion. The models are inaccurate and that causes the Roland to not sound like a real accordion. But the model does include all side effects, like keyboard clicks and the "growl" of the notes still vibrating after the key is released. These side effects can all be adjusted. If you want more "growl" you can change that. The model includes other things like the frequency (especially of low notes) dropping a tiny bit as volume increases. They tried really hard at Roland to have an accurate model of how an accordion produces sound. They initially did the same with their digital pianos which also did not sound like a real piano. With pianos all manufacturers (including Roland) have given up on modeling the sound of a piano and use actual sound samples of real (grand) pianos. I'm very happy with my Yamaha digital piano because it sounds like a Yamaha grand piano. I once tried a Kawaii digital piano and didn't like its sound. Then I tried the Kawaii grand piano standing next to it... it sounded pretty much the same. With accordions... there are several digital accordions with sampled accordion sound, sounding just like a real accordion (but perhaps struggling a bit with the subtle dynamics of bellows control) but Roland seems to not have gone this route but rather appears to have given up on digital accordions completely...
Really great to know it! Roland can adjust the growl and click, that's really a great thing, seems they considered about how accordionist assist on the original feeling.
 
This is part of the Roland Fr8x that attracted me. When playing an acoustic accordion you have only one tuning with perhaps a few different reed combinations so you're limited that way while on an electronic instrument you can use different sounds and styles to complement the accordion sounds from the right hand. When playing solo you can emulate a small combo when the situation calls for this.

As for the more pleasing sound, it really boils down to personal taste. You can listen to an expensive and high quality acoustic accordion that is dry tuned and chose a lower quality and cheaper instrument because you find something in the sound that suits you better. These comparisons are very much like those lists of the "best songs ever " because your taste is invariably different than everyone else's. Remember that it's not the price, tuning or size of the instrument, it's how you play it. ;)
totally agreed "Remember that it's not the price, tuning or size of the instrument, it's how you play it"

I heard the one saying that accordion is the "walking symphony orchestra", at least a walking band, the electronic instrument can make it better.
 
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