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By way of introduction, and a confession of my foolishness!

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I have enjoyed reading many of the interesting topics on this site, and I suspect I will be asking for specific advice before very long.

I have recently commenced playing a 72 bass accordion, a lovely Hohner Arietta 1M, that I enjoy playing very much.
When I started feeling the need for a little more real estate north of F#, I decided to bid for a 120 bass Hohner Pirola 111 that I saw listed on Trademe NZ.

The Pirola is quite an interesting accordion in that it is amazingly compact and light and much of it is fabricated from aluminium rather than wood. I listened to someone playing one on a Youtube video and fell in love with the sound and the look of it.

The listing on Trademe had very little written detail, but the instrument looked quite good in the photos, and the seller claimed to be a “professional musician repairer tuner trader performer with more than 50 year’s experience”.

I won the auction with a bid of $551, which was just above the hidden reserve price, and had to pay a further $20 towards the shipping as I am in the South Island of New Zealand, rather than the North Island where the trader lives.

In spite of the seller assuring me that the accordion would be well packed, it arrived in its original case that had some “fragile” tape stuck to it, but no outer carton around it, and inside the case there was just one unsecured layer of bubble wrap protecting the instrument, and no attempt had been made to secure and protect the bass buttons.

The metal grill at the front behind the keyboard had come unfastened at one side in transit, but other than a bit of an extra bend in the grill there was no obvious travel damage done, however the accordion was quite shabby, dirty and tired looking. The keys on the keyboard were not level, and some of the bass buttons would rise rather slowly after being pressed.

Prior to attempting to play I discovered that the accordion straps had been put on with the longer right strap where the shorter left should be, so I unbuckled them and swapped them over in their correct order. They were the old style narrow straps that probably came with the accordion when it was new.

There had been enough clues at this point to prepare me for what followed when I pressed some notes, but the noises that came out from the poor instrument were like a sick animal moaning, whimpering and crying in pain. And not all of the notes sounded, although one stuck down and howled continuously when pressed and would have to be prised up again to shut it up. Some notes also brought in a sympathetic unwanted second one that was not supposed to be there. It was all very disheartening. When I stabbed at some bass buttons, there was a cacophony of out of tune chords, and other animal sounds. The bass coupler selectors didn’t appear to be working properly, one was unmoving and the other two stiff.

After having a sit down and a cuppa, I undid the various fastenings that allow easy access into this model of accordion and I had a peer at its innards.

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Some nasty clear glue had been smeared around in places that it shouldn't!
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Peering further inside at treble reeds and valves....
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Some of the problems with sound production were easy to see straight away, as someone had re-attached two of the reeds on the treble side with the inner reed facing outward... and in so doing had made messy use of a clear glue rather than wax, and had left some air gaps around the reed plates.

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Then a look at the bass....
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One reed in the bass section had also had some “restoration”, this time probably with a soldering iron to melt the wax, and the plate had been placed at a drunken angle that allowed a gap around it for the air to whistle through.

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When I later carefully lifted the reed blocks out I also discovered a valve that was completely missing on one of the inside reeds. There was also rust on many of the reeds and it remains to be seen if they will be salvageable. Running a straight edge along the underside of the reed blocks showed that they could do with levelling as the two that I checked tended to warp up towards the ends.

There were a number of less serious things wrong that will be easy to fix, such as a bend in some of the metal mechanism that the front couplers are attached to above the keyboard.

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The keyboard will need levelling,
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and there is cosmetic work that could be done to the case where it has been scratched or badly touched up. I haven’t looked at the bass mechanism at this point, to be honest I am a little frightened of what I will find.

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I realise I have been somewhat conned regarding the condition of this accordion, it is in very poor condition and the seller even continued the fiction of its virtues after the sale was made and in an email to me proclaimed... “Many thanks for the purchase of this beautiful Hohner Accordion I'm giving you my personal warranty for A period of 5 long year's free service”.

I suspect there is almost zero prospect of me getting my money back if I ask for it and shipping the accordion would be quite costly, so I am probably going to have to keep it.

I think I will have to look at it as an extremely expensive educational toy, and use it to learn re-valving, cleaning reeds, re waxing, tuning, manual dexterity, patience and other handy skills!

I made a short video of me testing what notes on the keyboard sounded and also a quick sample of the bass. I thought it would be a useful point of reference if I do try to restore this sad little instrument!



Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks!
 

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Hi Music
Feel sorry with you reading, seeing and finally listening how you've been screwed.
This box must have been mistreated quite heavy - maybe the so-called repairer even was its worst treatment at all.
I don't have any specific tips other than try to stay positive as you already have learned your lesson.
Just try to forget about the money - definitely it's kinda tuition fee - and focus on the restoration project starting with the positive:
It's a basically a robust, light "Metallbauweise"-box which is easy to dis-/reassemble and it seems it's got new felt-based pallet cushions (around the mfg date of this boxes they also used foam which eventually was perfectly disintegrated).
For the specific steps like (un)waxing, tuning, etc. there are lots of contributions here by real accordion techs.
 
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I have enjoyed reading many of the interesting topics on this site, and I suspect I will be asking for specific advice before very long.
Hi MM and welcome 🙂
We have another compatriot of yours, Kiwisqeezer, here, who drops In now and then. He's already told us how difficult it is to find and have accordions serviced in NZ, so we already have some idea of the difficulties you're facing.🙂
Admittedly, your accordion appears not to be in perfect playing condition currently, but all the bones appear to be there and, thought it will need some fettling, it's not quite a total basket case.🙂
 
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What a sad story. But lesson learnt...
In the accordion business there is no type of license to call yourself a professional repairer. There are people with 50 years experience in ruining accordions and making a living out of it, so in some sense they are "professional" indeed. It says nothing about the quality of work you can expect from them. That is not only a problem in New Zealand but actually pretty much everywhere. And this makes buying an accordion unseen from a person you do not know personally a very risky business. It may occasionally work, but it is a matter of luck.
 
Dingo, there's a small number of Kiwis who wander into this forum from time to time, not just me...

MoreorlessMusic, Very sorry to hear of your experience. It leaves a nasty taste... I regret that, from his Trade Me reviews, your experience with this seller is not unique. Without naming names, it is my impression (I phrase it that way as a possibly pointless legal precaution...) that there is a trader in this country who is dishonest in his description of instruments, and often stipulates "No refunds" in his listings. He also has proudly posted pictures of the inside of instruments, clearly showing curled valve leathers, whilst describing their condition in glowing terms. You really should fight to get a refund, but I know that can be a long and difficult process. Perhaps reporting him to TM might be useful.

Unfortunately, as I've discovered, NZ is something of an accordion wilderness. Private sellers typically have ridiculously inflated ideas of the value of their clapped-out boxes. I've been lucky, and found a couple of boxes, suitable for restoration, at 'reasonable' prices. What the definition of 'reasonable' is has to be judged whilst considering the local market conditions - a very limited choice and high asking prices, compared to, say, USA, which seems awash with accordions.

If you decide to restore your box, you'll have to go offshore for parts and materials. I'm finding that pretty frustrating. Freight charges are frightening! But, given the paucity of alternatives, restoration may be better for you than waiting for another Pirola - or even anything playable - and being disappointed again.

What I really want is a 5-row Bayan, or other CBA, but little chance here, I fear. Correction - no dammned chance at all!
 
... Somehow or other a number of folk with more honesty and kindness have gravitated to this site, something for which I am so very grateful.

Hear, hear! Me too! Within the last few months, I have received great practical help and generosity from two forum members. I won't embarrass them by naming them. You know who you are, and I thank you sincerely. There are good folk out there.

The members and content of fora such as this make an enormous difference. Long may it continue.
 
Thank you all so very much for the warm and empathetic welcome, it is truly greatly appreciated and a boost to the morale!

I started the day with an enjoyable practice on my 72 button Hohner Arietta. I do find a practice just after tumbling out of bed is a good time to make some music, before the day starts making other demands....

Philigol, thank you for the information regards the felt-based pallet cushions verses the foam based ones, it is a small thing I know, but it is amazing how cheering it is to know that I have the better felt ones on this!

KiwiSqueezer, yes, you have identified the seller correctly. I will try to go through the process of letting Trademe know and see if they can do something. It does concern me that there might be someone else out there that will fall into the trap as I did and he does have some rather expensive accordions on the site. At the moment we have a lot going on with my poor mum who is dying in hospital after two catastrophic strokes so I'm going a little slower about following through with Trademe, but I will see what I can do. I don't think I will get money back, but it would be good to make things safer in the Trademe jungle for others!

Regards the Bayan.... yes, ... I would love one too!

Regards frightening overseas freight charges.... I did order some accordion valves so that I can replace the ones that are on a delightful 12 bass Scandalli that my Father in law gave me a few years ago before he died. I bought some from La Malle aux Accordeons in France. I think my total order was around 82 Euros, but the shipping via DHL was about 86 Euros! Straps for my Hohner from Liberty bellows in the USA were much more resonable for frieght, and I will probably look to the USA for parts in future if Europe is so expensive to ship from for some reason? Have you found somewhere that is good for parts?
 
MoreorlessMusic... I haven't been very adventurous yet, but placed an order with La Malle aux Accordeons, as you did. Total approx 276 Euro, of which 68 was shipping. I found their service excellent: rapid, with helpful communication in good English. I gather that THE place to go is Carini DE NA, but minimum order numbers can be of industrial proportions and there is just too much choice, especially for a novice feeling his way in the complexities of accordion repair (I just don't know what I need, nor how to choose between the many options they offer...). Also, the poorly-translated and information-poor website seems chaotic (Italian!) and too much trouble to deal with. In USA, Ernest Deffner had a good reputation, but I don't know what's happened to the company: the website doesn't work properly for me. Likewise, well-respected CGM, in Scotland, is out of action - hopefully not permanently. Closer to home, I emailed Accordion House in Auck, but got no reply.

Can anyone else recommend sources of parts and materials? Has anyone used NG in Brazil?
 
KiwiSqueezer,
Thanks for that, I also found La Malle aux Accordeons were excellent regards their service, and the parts were on their way to me within a few hours of my order being sent to them. My only issue was the freight cost being so high, but that may well be beyond their control. I did have a look at the Ernest Deffner site, and very nearly ordered the parts from them. I found their website a little strange to use, it seemed to work better from my desktop computer than from my phone, but both methods were rather stop-start as each item slowly loaded, however downloading their catalogue helped a lot. Sad about Accordion House being unresponsive, I found a 2015 vintage Radio NZ interview on the RNZ with Maurice Jones who was the owner of Accordion House, but he may be retired by now as he was born back in the mid 1950s.
 
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