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C'est Tout · The Paris Musette
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Piotr and his singing Scandalli - absolutely superb!
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Very nice. Thanks for sharing!
A wonderful song! Very delicate... so it shows this accordion needs tuning... (but 99% of the audience will not notice that).
I did - just to not let Paul feel as a lonesome grumbling guy.
Nevertheless the song and your performance is top notch.
Don't want to start a "who can hear the off-pitch-notes" contest rather than give you a hint:
it's the bass at 0:14 (may Db?), the f' in tremolo, and the eb' in 8"/4" which caught my attention.
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Paul thank you, luckily I am in this group of 99% 
At what point is out of tune in your opinion?
Phil - this is my transcription and I'm not sure if it's true to the original, but 0:14 is F minor. Maybe something is different but my ear can't tell the difference…
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At what point is out of tune in your opinion?
Phil - this is my transcription and I'm not sure if it's true to the original, but 0:14 is F minor. Maybe something is different but my ear can't tell the difference…
This is oryginal:
Hi Piotr
Please don't get it bad - the transcription is perfect and you play it very nice.
I prefer it over the "original" version.
My intention was to add a little more information than just "I think the instrument could need some re-tuning".
Also rest assured that for my ears it doesn't sound a hole lot of tones need retuning (not sure whether my instruments are in better shape than yours)
I wanted to pinpoint to a few tones which I think sound a bit off tune.
The first one is at 0:18 (not 0:14) when you hold a Db in treble and do a bass transition Bb->A->Ab (with Bbminor chords).
Could it be that the A is a bit off?
The other 2 tones which I was thinking are not 100% clean are the f' with the tremolo register and the eb' with the 8"/4" register (some call it Oboe, some call it Clarinet).
If I'm already mistaken by recognizing the registers please question my listening capabilities right away.
Paul presumably has way better analytical capabilities than I will ever have.
In first place I enjoy listening (and playing) music.
Please don't get it bad - the transcription is perfect and you play it very nice.
I prefer it over the "original" version.
My intention was to add a little more information than just "I think the instrument could need some re-tuning".
Also rest assured that for my ears it doesn't sound a hole lot of tones need retuning (not sure whether my instruments are in better shape than yours)
I wanted to pinpoint to a few tones which I think sound a bit off tune.
The first one is at 0:18 (not 0:14) when you hold a Db in treble and do a bass transition Bb->A->Ab (with Bbminor chords).
Could it be that the A is a bit off?
The other 2 tones which I was thinking are not 100% clean are the f' with the tremolo register and the eb' with the 8"/4" register (some call it Oboe, some call it Clarinet).
If I'm already mistaken by recognizing the registers please question my listening capabilities right away.
Paul presumably has way better analytical capabilities than I will ever have.
In first place I enjoy listening (and playing) music.
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I appreciate constructive criticism very well.
My sense of harmony will allow me to write it down with the thought that it can be better.
Certainly, such transcription requires a good ear and experience but I’m still trying to learn.
My musical education is basic and I probably make mistakes.
So thank you for all your tips
My sense of harmony will allow me to write it down with the thought that it can be better.
Certainly, such transcription requires a good ear and experience but I’m still trying to learn.
My musical education is basic and I probably make mistakes.
So thank you for all your tips
Hope it's not perceived as criticism - it was meant as feedback - no negative connotation at all.
No worries your score is perfect - that's far beyond basic.
I bet you: only 1 out of hundred (if at all) reach a level that they can transcribe a song for their instrument.
And not at all I want to criticise your instrument.
The Scandalli as well as your Poeta are top-notch instruments.
It could nevertheless be the case that some tones need slight re-tuning.
Paul seems to be pretty sure about it - I think I can second his perception and tried to figure our a few tones which in the recording to me sound slightly out-of-tune.
I agree with Paul: it's a very small population who will at notice it within a piece of music.
It's a handful of (poor) guys who listen to music with certain analytical hearing capabilities and can notice it.
No worries your score is perfect - that's far beyond basic.
I bet you: only 1 out of hundred (if at all) reach a level that they can transcribe a song for their instrument.
And not at all I want to criticise your instrument.
The Scandalli as well as your Poeta are top-notch instruments.
It could nevertheless be the case that some tones need slight re-tuning.
Paul seems to be pretty sure about it - I think I can second his perception and tried to figure our a few tones which in the recording to me sound slightly out-of-tune.
I agree with Paul: it's a very small population who will at notice it within a piece of music.
It's a handful of (poor) guys who listen to music with certain analytical hearing capabilities and can notice it.
This talk of "this note or that note is out of tune" really saddens me.
It reminds me of the judges on the pipe band competitions circuit who spend 90% of their time listening for faults and tuning issues and the other 10% listening to the tunes as a whole.
Piotr and the others who contribute to our listening pleasure here devote many hours for our enjoyment and I for one am humbled and deeply grateful for their amazing talent and willingness to share freely with fellow enthusiasts.
Those of you who have " perfect pitch" may be able to detect an odd note here or there, but do you really have to point it out with monotonous regularity.
There is no such thing as a perfect musical instrument or player, except in the electronic world, and the vast majority of us will continue to marvel and enjoy the wonderfull music presented to us.
I'm now ducking down below the parapet to avoid the oncoming flack
It reminds me of the judges on the pipe band competitions circuit who spend 90% of their time listening for faults and tuning issues and the other 10% listening to the tunes as a whole.
Piotr and the others who contribute to our listening pleasure here devote many hours for our enjoyment and I for one am humbled and deeply grateful for their amazing talent and willingness to share freely with fellow enthusiasts.
Those of you who have " perfect pitch" may be able to detect an odd note here or there, but do you really have to point it out with monotonous regularity.
There is no such thing as a perfect musical instrument or player, except in the electronic world, and the vast majority of us will continue to marvel and enjoy the wonderfull music presented to us.
I'm now ducking down below the parapet to avoid the oncoming flack
You asked for it!
Many would say Perfect Pitch is a gift, a rare talent.
Anyone out there who thinks it might be an affliction?
An often-repeated saying:
"In tune? Well, it's good enough for (INSERT)"
For INSERT substitute: Jazz, Folk, Morris Dancers, Early Music .......
Out of interest how often does live music ever get played without the odd 'unintended' note?
Many would say Perfect Pitch is a gift, a rare talent.
Anyone out there who thinks it might be an affliction?
An often-repeated saying:
"In tune? Well, it's good enough for (INSERT)"
For INSERT substitute: Jazz, Folk, Morris Dancers, Early Music .......
Out of interest how often does live music ever get played without the odd 'unintended' note?
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Yes , one of my favourite pieces played by the great Jack Emblow an English session accordionist. I transcribed it about 15 yrs ago..love it.
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Zevy
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I think @Piotr should be honored. No one here pointed out out of tune notes on my posts.This talk of "this note or that note is out of tune" really saddens me.
It reminds me of the judges on the pipe band competitions circuit who spend 90% of their time listening for faults and tuning issues and the other 10% listening to the tunes as a whole.
Piotr and the others who contribute to our listening pleasure here devote many hours for our enjoyment and I for one am humbled and deeply grateful for their amazing talent and willingness to share freely with fellow enthusiasts.
Those of you who have " perfect pitch" may be able to detect an odd note here or there, but do you really have to point it out with monotonous regularity.
There is no such thing as a perfect musical instrument or player, except in the electronic world, and the vast majority of us will continue to marvel and enjoy the wonderfull music presented to us.
I'm now ducking down below the parapet to avoid the oncoming flack
Seriously, he’s a great player.
Regarding perfect pitch - my good friend and teacher Eddie Monteiro says “It’s a curse!”. Relative pitch is most important.
Hmmm... on this I have to agree, I was born with perfect pitch and internally it drives me nuts (try listening to the radio to a song that hasn't been "auto-tuned" nowadays!), but I have never critiqued someone else's performance stating a bad tune.
This is NOT a dig against Paul D, his presence here is invaluable... but perhaps there are times to discuss instrument tune, and more importantly, times not to.
Mockie
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Of course it's criticism
Thomas N
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First off, another incredible performance from you Piotr. It really shows that not only do you love the accordion, but you love music. Very emotional performances from you time and again.
As for Paul D, I love reading his thoughts. He's in the top 1% of those that can notice slight tuning alignments and he's meticulous about getting it right. If he were anywhere near me I'd send every accordion I own to him once a year for tuning. Alas, he's not, so I suffer for it.
He didn't say "Terrible playing Piotr. Give up the accordion and take guitar. Your Scandalli is pure garbage." In fact he led off with the fact that it's a beautiful delicate song and even added in that he's in the 1% that will notice the tuning. This makes me want to listen again to understand what he notices. I've done it on other posts of his and with his assistance (fourth measure, the Ab has tremolo. EDIT: this is a made-up example - I hear nothing on Piotr's recording) I can also hear it. It doesn't mean it's horribly out of tune, it just means there's perhaps a note or three he can hear that are out of tune. It helps me personally to hear this and learn.
He's an asset here, just as Piotr is, and I'm thankful for both of them.
Fortunately my Excelsior 960 from 2003 that hasn't had a tune in 21 years still sounds good to me. I think once every note is horribly out of tune the whole accordion sounds good again!
As for Paul D, I love reading his thoughts. He's in the top 1% of those that can notice slight tuning alignments and he's meticulous about getting it right. If he were anywhere near me I'd send every accordion I own to him once a year for tuning. Alas, he's not, so I suffer for it.
He didn't say "Terrible playing Piotr. Give up the accordion and take guitar. Your Scandalli is pure garbage." In fact he led off with the fact that it's a beautiful delicate song and even added in that he's in the 1% that will notice the tuning. This makes me want to listen again to understand what he notices. I've done it on other posts of his and with his assistance (fourth measure, the Ab has tremolo. EDIT: this is a made-up example - I hear nothing on Piotr's recording) I can also hear it. It doesn't mean it's horribly out of tune, it just means there's perhaps a note or three he can hear that are out of tune. It helps me personally to hear this and learn.
He's an asset here, just as Piotr is, and I'm thankful for both of them.
Fortunately my Excelsior 960 from 2003 that hasn't had a tune in 21 years still sounds good to me. I think once every note is horribly out of tune the whole accordion sounds good again!
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