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Crucianelli BCC# 48 bass

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Hi,

Saw this CRUCIANELLI BCC# 48 BASS at the Eagle Music online shop.
Link here = http://www.eaglemusicshop.com/squeezebox/crucianelli-three-row.htm

Text says = A European built three row B/C/C# chromatic box with stradella 48 bass from the Crucianelli Company.

I asked where in Europe this box was made, but one week later still no answer.

Anyone has info about this box and/or the actual situation of the CRUCIANELLI brand?

Thanks in advance.
 
The Dealer has provided a Phone# and Email - have you contacted them ???
The firm of Crucianelli went out of business in the early 70s - Its curious to know who is using the brand name. They were sold here in the US with the brand name PANcordion and the PANcordion dealer we have here is now -- https://www.bussomusic.com/catalog/ -- and you may contact them.
 
You got me really curious on this one - If it's a China ripoff, it's good looking and pricey .
 
better still phone him, the number is on the link posted by bocsa. Clinkscale are a very reputable firm as is Eagle music but I have no idea how good or otherwise this BCC# box is and have not heard any comments from the BCC# brigade!

george
 
bocsa said:
Just for info/comparison
http://steveclinkscalemusic.co.uk/melodeons/867-stephanelli-3-row-72-bass-accordion.html

It says The picture is of our Older Crucianelli Model :

If youve e-mailed Steve ( <EMAIL email=info@steveclinkscalemusic.co.uk>info@steveclinkscalemusic.co.uk</EMAIL> ) he usually replies sooner or later, hes a busy man ;)
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Both companies showing the same Crucianelli, one including it advertising a Stephanelli which hasnt arrived yet, (believe a Chinese make) but one saying European made - and other adding German reeds? One showing a price of £1599 and other showing hopefully £599.
Reputable??
 
bocsa said:
Just for info/comparison
http://steveclinkscalemusic.co.uk/melodeons/867-stephanelli-3-row-72-bass-accordion.html

It says The picture is of our Older Crucianelli Model :

If youve e-mailed Steve ( <EMAIL email=info@steveclinkscalemusic.co.uk>info@steveclinkscalemusic.co.uk</EMAIL> ) he usually replies sooner or later, hes a busy man ;)
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Both companies showing the same Crucianelli, one including it advertising a Stephanelli which hasnt arrived yet, (believe a Chinese make) but saying European made - and adding German reeds? One showing a price of £1599 and other showing hopefully £599.
Reputable??[/quote]

George used the term reputable in relation to Steve Clinkscales company:
Clinkscale are a very reputable firm as is Eagle music (...)[/quote]

To be fair, the Clinkscale website maybe needs some updating but theres nothing to suggest a less than good reputation, I believe its wrong to question a companys good reputation without evidence to the contrary.

I was interested in a box that Clinkscale Music had some months ago and asked a trusted, well respected, friend in the Scottish accordion world and he confirmed that Steve Clinkscale was indeed a reputable merchant: I found Steve very helpful when I spoke to him.
 
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"Reputable??"
I have been a customer of Eagle Music for years and have the highest regard for their approach to business and customer service.
If there is a problem with a description I'm sure they will be the first to want to put it right.
 
dunlustin said:
I have been a customer of Eagle Music for years and have the highest regard for their approach to business and customer service.
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Me too, in 2013 I buyed two SEYDEL FANFARE harmonicas at Eagle Music, best price in whole Europe, even including postage, correct business service ... but now I havent received any answer to my question about this Crucianelli BCC# 48 bass box. Thats all I can say, and thats the only reason why I asked for some info here.

It is however very confusing to see the same instrument at soo different prices, ... but to be fair I must say Steve Clinckscale offer is for a Stephanelli box.
 
Advertising an accordion that is made in China, with an Italian sounding name, and showing a picture of an known Italian accordion brand?
It may be legal, but it's not honest and is designed to mislead in my opinion. You think otherwise, fine.
 
PS I edited my first post because one says 'European made' and the other SC says 'German reeds', while the original made it sound like Clinkscale's said both.
 
And what is your opinion on this? :

Famous Crucianelli C system Continental button accordion with a great sound , a 120 bass for £899 ?
http://scotlandaccordions.co.uk/Button accordions/Crucianelli C system Continental button accordion

And what about
RUSSIAN BUILT BAYAN accordion, brand new (B system).
This lovely accordion has 48 treble buttons and 90 bass. Built in Russia and available as a one off offer in the UK by us.
£1,199
http://scotlandaccordions.co.uk/Button accordions/Russian Bayan B system button accordion

Is it a new one or a second hand? Looks like an old soviet model to me.
Because if so, you can get those old 3 row B-system bayans for 3000 rubles or less, sometimes for less than 1000 rubles
Here are some:
https://www.avito.ru/omsk/muzykalnye_instrumenty/horoshiy_bayan_bez_chehla_346458274

I also would like to know where in Europe this Crucianelli (? or is it a Chinese made Stephanelli ?) was made:
http://www.eaglemusicshop.com/squeezebox/crucianelli-three-row.htm


I cant find the location / adress of Scotlandaccordions, only an email adress:
http://scotlandaccordions.co.uk/index.php?route=information/contact
Anyone knows the actual location of this shop (?) or is it an online webshop without stock ?
 
UPDATE

No additional info from Eagle Music.

Got two answers from Steve, and:
1. - he is the owner of the Crucianelli brand since the Italian company went out of business.
2. - this Crucianelli BCC# 48 bass was made in Europe and is now discontinued.
3. - he is also the owner of the Stephanelli brand.

Made in Europe, yes. Where in Europe? After asking twice I only received this answer = "made in Europe" and I feel I have no reason to insist about this. Just curious, of course, but obviously I must respect everyone's privacy and/or business details.

On the homepage of STEVE CLINKSCALE MUSIC we can see this = "Exclusive suppliers of Stephanelli and Crucianelli accordions World Wide."
 
This post has been answered for three days now with various comments. The plain fact is the ( once Italian brand ) name Crucianelli has been purchased by an accordion distributor and that brand name now can be applied to any make , model , and origin of manufacture the distributor wishes. As for where the brand Stephanelli accordions are made , well the answer can be found here -- http://www.eaglemusicshop.com/squeezebox -- in the 3rd paragraph :tup:
 
JIM D. said:
The plain fact is the (once Italian brand) name Crucianelli has been purchased by an accordion distributor and that brand name now can be applied to any make, model, and origin of manufacture the distributor wishes.
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Almost so, yes. Steves mails contain more detailed info about how his late father recovered the Crucianelli brand name, but Im not sure I should be the one who publishes this here. But he also stated clearly that ALL the Crucianelli named instruments are made in Europe, most of them in Italy, and that all the Stephanelli named instruments are made in China.

Of course Jim D. is right when he says that brand can now be applied to any make, model, and origin the distributor wishes, but my feeling, as far as now, is that Steve is a reputable merchant, and I will maintain that opinion until someone can really prove me wrong. YMMV.
 
All those Italian brand names with excellent reputation in the past, like Crucianelli or Scandalli, being purchased by distributors and dealers is misleading customers, especially accordion starters.

These Italian firms that throw away their reputation, built up over decades, thrown away for a fistful of pennies... So sad...

I would propose other brand names for those lowcost low quality made poor copies:
Crucianelli => Crudianelli
Scandalli => Scandalouselli

Moreover, starters or customers buying these cheap low quality accordions wil learn bad playing habits, this is even worse. Stiff bellows and poor response of the keyboard action, slow responsive reeds with air loss, ... all this makes an accordion hard to play.

I think customers want to know where exactly the accordions are made. Still not clear about the production site of this "Crucianelli BCC# 48 bass", in Europe (?), but where exactly in Europe ?
 
Just to be clear - I'm not aware the Scandalli brand has been purchased by any dealers or Chinese manufacturers. They were guilty of farming out some of the range to a believed Chinese manufacturer in 1970s. I'm unaware of that happens with todays Scandalli production, and I have had recent dealings with the company.
 
The Suoni firm in Castelfidardo, Italy is a merger of the Brand names - Scandalli - SEM - Farfisa - and - Paolo Soprani. High end models of Scandalli's and Paolo Soprani's can be found on the market as clones with different badge's. Mediocre models of Farfisa and Sandalli also appear as clones with different badges.
 
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