Dale Mathis sounds
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davidplaysaccordion
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Yup, that is correct.
All “new” sounds, such as from Mathis or Noel, are based on, and use, existing Roland sounds. Roland provides variable attributes of built in sounds that can be adjusted by the end user and saved, the “original” sound is retained. Think of an analogy using a guitar. You can change the attributes of a sound by twisting the tone and reverb knobs. The Roland allows you to save the various combinations you can create by “twisting those knobs” in a digital way.
Rodney
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Fun without doubt, but also time consuming and even though I’m interested, I prefer to spend my time trying to improve my abilty to play accordion. Having said that, I confess that I bought, and am very pleased with, Richard Noel’s UPGs.
Correct. When you can, reach out to Richard Noel and purchase his sounds if you cannot purchase through Kraft, his are as good if not slightly better in a couple ways, at least for the 8X, I cannot fully compare the 4X sounds.
I find the Dale Mathis sounds much better than the original sounds. Just my opinion. Plus they are “organized” (as are the originals) for styles of tune. I have not tried the Noel sounds nor do I get in there and edit, since, like Mitch, I need to spend my time learning (repertoire).
Another factor is saving your ears. It’s hard to play soft on an acoustic. Especially when you’re playing upbeat, quick tunes you want to groove. After an hour or so my ears get tired, certainly a warning to self. With the digital, just turn down the volume and rock on!
Another factor is saving your ears. It’s hard to play soft on an acoustic. Especially when you’re playing upbeat, quick tunes you want to groove. After an hour or so my ears get tired, certainly a warning to self. With the digital, just turn down the volume and rock on!
breezybellows
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Joe Natoli just released his UPGs this week. Best part is that this comes with a book that gives you instructions on how to create and tweak your sounds. This was from a master class he gave last month. I attended it and it was great. He made the masterclass into a book with accompanying UPGs.
www.gr8ideas.org
Digital Accordion (a Fresh Perspective) | gr8ideas.org
www.gr8ideas.org
Joe Natoli just released his UPGs this week. Best part is that this comes with a book that gives you instructions on how to create and tweak your sounds. This was from a master class he gave last month. I attended it and it was great. He made the masterclass into a book with accompanying UPGs.
Digital Accordion (a Fresh Perspective) | gr8ideas.org
Over years of discussions and programming, two different approaches have developed.
One is a large collection of universal sets/UPGs, like Richard Noel's or Dale Mathis, to a degree Michael Bridge's. Whatever style you play, chances are you find a matching set from such collection.
Another approach is having a highly specialized set/UPG (or even several of them) for every piece you play. Uwe Steger, Matthias Matzke and Joe Natoli are the kings of this method, Richard Noel provides part of his collection tuned to concrete pieces, too.
Some time ago the V. Semionov's (Gnessin Academy of Music) student Klavdiya Tarabrina won the Roland V-Accordion Festival 2012 using the same approach.
Caps
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This is interesting but there was no sample of the sounds or sheet music on the site so there is no way to tell how difficult the music is.Joe Natoli just released his UPGs this week. Best part is that this comes with a book that gives you instructions on how to create and tweak your sounds. This was from a master class he gave last month. I attended it and it was great. He made the masterclass into a book with accompanying UPGs.
Digital Accordion (a Fresh Perspective) | gr8ideas.org
breezybellows
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More than the sheet music, the more valuable part of the book is that it helps one understand how to program UPGs appropriate for their repertoire.
I purchased Joe's UPG's. Sheet Music, and Recordings a few days ago. The attached file is the first page of his America. What Joe has done, is to give you a complete package where you can load 7 Banks (98 UPG's) into your 8X. He then has the sheet music for the tune and also has recordings of him playing the tunes using an 8X with the UPG's loaded. He will have from 3 or more UPG's per song. The sheet music is marked when to switch to the next UPG. He also has helpful instructions at the end of each score. For example these are the instructions for America:
Performance Notes:
All UPGs can be placed in a list
as follows and advanced forward with
Chin switch 1 (leftmost), and backward
with Chin switch 2 (middle switch). However,
the only reason to use Chin switch 2 to go
backwards is if a mistake was made and you
need to go back one UPG. Otherwise, You will
always go forward with Chin switch 1.
Here is the legend for the UPGs in your List &
their order of occurrence in this song:
UPG1 = America1
UPG2 = America2
UPG3 = America3End
Caps
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This was very helpful.. Do you know if the UPGs for the 8X will work on the 4X?
I see no reason they shouldn't. Joe's file names are R1BANK.UPB, R2BANK.UPB, etc. I just checked Page 41, item d, in the left hand column of the 4X reference manual. Roland uses the File name with the extension UPB, i.e; -- *.UPB). That's the same as the 8X. Joe also gives you the individual UPG's -- over 90. The problem is the file order is numbers first and then alphabetically. If you load the Banks, the order is identical to the song order in his sheet music. Realize, that if you load all seven banks, I believe you are at the maximum limit of the memory of the 4X.
Caps
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Thanks, That is good to know
Send Joe an E-Mail and ask him if his Banks and UPG's will work on the 4X. His E-mail address is: thegr8.ideas@gmail.com
No guarantee it will. Technically you can fool an 8X or a 4X by renaming the file and it will import, BUT the sound names and locations are going to be different resulting in errors like blank sounds or different settings or screen errors. You can likely get it to work but there is additional work in mapping out the errors and settings that need changing so that it works but its NOT a plug-n-play thing using 4X UPGs in an 8X and visa versa.
I imported the free ROLAND 4X Alpine sounds that at the time did not exist for the 8X, there was about 20 hours of work to make it all work perfectly.
