"indifference" c system fingering ideas

[godgi]

This has been bugging me for years. attached photo of opening bar of this famous french musette waltz.
French players using only 4 fingers appear to be able to play this run no problem. my question how is it done without a number 1 ie thumb.
Assume quaver rest top treble left.
Godgi

 

[losthobos]

Id probably chance using the inside row for the A first note with index finger, middle and ring for next 2 notes 2nd row, cross over middle and ring next 2 notes 3rd row, then middle ring triplet on rows 4 and 3, slide middle finger down from 4tj to 3rd row for last note....
Just an idea if you were thumbless
Ps i cant play this tune at all fluently... Or bodgily either for that matter.... ?

 

[Chrisrayner]

You’ve cropped the key signature. I could probably work it out, but asking’s easier.

 

[godgi]

f sharp 3/4

 

[godgi]

g or e minor

 

[godgi]

ok no thumb mandatory.
fingers 2 3 4 for first 3 notes to g.
where do u go from there the triblet is ok row 4 to 3 to 3 .ie cdc and then b.
all the French players can do it with 4 fingers.

 

[Zevy]

g or e minor

That's an Em7 arpeggio. It's in the key of E minor, as most people play it, although Tony Murena played it in F minor. This is the first time I feel good about playing PA...

 

[godgi]

I am trying to follow his fingers.
godgi
to me crossing from g to b is too much of a good with 4 th to 3rf

 

[godgi]

I am trying to follow his fingers.
godgi
to me crossing from g to b is too much of a fold over with 4 th to 3rd

 

[Chrisrayner]

g or e minor

So why the d natural?

 

[Zevy]

So why the d natural?

That's an excellent question. The natural accidental is placed before the D because there was a D# earlier in that measure. Please see the attached file that I cropped from my arrangement:

 

[debra]

So why the d natural?

This piece is in E minor.
I think there is an "intro" that ends with a B major chord containing D#.

 

[dunlustin]

Try slowing it. I see:
b e g b d cdc b on rows 3 2 2 3 3 1 3 1 3
2 3 4 3 4 343 2 fingers
with c on row 1
I wonder if your player was encouraged to use just 3 rows as a beginner - c on row 4 seems easier for me.
Having listened to a Mureno youtube, this is just the start of your worries.
I used to play this at a more lyrical(read unaccomplished) tempo and without the twiddles.
On a 5 row I used thumb on the b then row 5, row 3, row 4 for the triplet c

 

[godgi]

yes I slowed it and concur as above.
I think technically i am strugling as i suspected. that fold for me from g to b ie 4 folding over to 3 (2 rows down in wffect)is difficult at speed. I think this is perhaps an example of the benefits of study with a 4 fingure system with thumb as a physical suport. tucking the thumb under for the first notes ie 2 1 for first two notes is working for me but not optimal as the performers fingering looks class.
technically thay guy is top class. "hands of silk:

 

[Pipemajor]

Why not just use your thumb? Saves all the faff.

 

[Pipemajor]

That's an Em7 arpeggio. It's in the key of E minor, as most people play it, although Tony Murena played it in F minor. This is the first time I feel good about playing PA...

Yes, but how would you play it without using your thumb as in the original post?

 

[godgi]

2 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 2 thanks pipemajor

 

[Zevy]

Yes, but how would you play it without using your thumb as in the original post?

I can't help you with that aspect as I play PA and I use my thumb.

 

[Pipemajor]

I can't help you with that aspect as I play PA and I use my thumb.

Sensible man

 

[oldbayan]

Arpeggios are so much easier on a B-system