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Apparently this gentleman was doing videos in the 80's and did a video of this tune, not to mention a bunch more. He's even missing a finger on his right hand and does an incredible job with technique.

Mazurka Fantaisie

I like mazurkas and would love to find the sheet music for that tune. Any one know where I can get it. I don't mind paying for it, if I can find it.

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Ed
St Augustine, FL, USA
 
I assume its this one ?
 
He plays better with 3 fingers than most do with 5... thats saying somehting! :)

Did you try to do a search on Google? I found something in under a few seconds...

http://imslp.org/wiki/Mazurka-Fantaisie,_Op.14_(Yusupov,_Nikolay )

Its the Piano and Violin version, but with a little work and listening to the YouTube video is a totally workable possibility. ;)
 
Jerry, you're right about him playing better with 3 fingers than most people with four. I was amazed at his technique listening to this.

I went to that sheet music site, but it won't let me download or print the piece; it says "still in rehearsal " So I put my email in. Hopefully, they'll notify me sooner rather than later that it will be available.

Thanks for the link.

Ed
 
Strange, it just let me download it. All I had to do is click the link, select the download arrow, wait 15 seconds for the ads to disappear and the PDF appeared on my screen! I know that certain times of the day the downloads can be a bit slow, but it is there. If you have continual issues getting it let me know and I will send you another link.
 
Jerry, thanks. I'll keep trying and will let you know if I'm successful or not.

Met two lovely people in a supermarket parking lot earlier today from Quebec. Layed my 2 words of French on them: Benviene, Quebecoise!( I probably butchered the spelling on that) I then, of course, had to qualify that was the limit of my French Vocabulary ! I guess they are down here escaping the remnants of your winter.

Ed
 
Jerry, a little persistence always pays off. I got it downloaded.

It'll need some work to transpose for accordion, but at least I got the music.

Thanks again,

Ed
 
Hello EMan,

Ive not been on the forum for a long time but saw Joe Rossis name and just had to investigate. Joe (pronounced Joey) lost his third finger as a result of a gunshot wound during WW2, although he was lucky enough to be possessed of large hands. I believe he had the stump of his third finger surgically removed so that he could play again, and what a great job he made of it. He mainly played with his three surviving fingers, but also made quite prolific use of his thumb. His little finger was about the size of my forefinger, and it seems he learned to use it like his missing third finger.

Mazurka Fantaisie requires four note legato runs in the first two bars, and most of the older French players used fingers 1 to 4 to achieve that. Some of the more complicated musette pieces required almost equal strength in all fingers, and was beyond even some of the big name players, who only made occasional use of the little finger. Most old school French musette players were able to play nearly all of the standard pieces using three rows only with the inner 4th row of buttons being used as a cheat, mainly for chords and arpeggios. Most of them learned to play as children and developed techniques to pass their fingers over and under each other when playing at speed. Very few of them played to any particular system after they became professional. One of the most successful French recording accordionists was Aimable, who wasnt a very great technical player at all, but he developed his own style of fingering and bellows control that gave him a unique sound.

Joe Rossi played the same style as the teachers Andre Astier and Joss Baselli, who wrote a teaching method together, which unusually for French accordion methods, allowed use of the thumb, but only on the outside first row. I would imagine that having a missing third or fourth finger was not so much of a disadvantage to French schooled chromatic players as it would be to a PA player. The composer of Mazurka Fantaisie was Medard Ferrero, who also wrote various method books, and forbade his students to use their thumbs on the basis that anybody who did, would not play so well. Most of the musette pieces written in his day were composed to be played without use of the thumb and only occasional use of the 4th row. Very few French accordions had/have 5 rows, and most French players, even today, have no use for a 5th row. Of my 4 instruments, only one has a 5th row, and it serves no purpose at all, other than to make the accordion heavier than it needs to be.

Joe Rossi very seldom played any tunes straight. He had a tendency to prefer classical music, which he also played with considerable embellishment. It was as though he was always trying to compensate for his missing finger. Although he was possessed of considerable ability, he never seemed to have a big following, probably on account of the fact that he tended to shy away from the popular dance numbers in favour of what I would call demonstration pieces, composed or adapted to show off the skill of the player.

If you Google partition mazurka fantaisie youll get the first page of the piece as a photo on the web page. Partition is the French word for score. The full score can be had from various websites, usually for a few Euro, plus postage, but be very careful of the free offers, as you will be prompted to download other programs which could contain dodgy material. Im sure it is listed in the Paul Beuscher 110 Succes Musette series, probably volume 1, but that is a large pricey book that would only be worth buying if you were into learning a lot of musette tunes.

As a consolation, here is a link to the tune being played by Medard Ferrero, the guy who wrote it.

http://www.musicme.com/Medard-Ferrero/videos/Mazurka-Fantaisie-44737841446E724364466F.html

I studied using his method without the thumb. However, I never started to play until I was about 30, and consequently never progressed beyond about an intermediate stage. Its a sad fact that the accordion seems to be losing popularity, even in countries like France where it often featured in the pop charts.
 
Hello Maugein! Good to hear from you again, I hope you're well and playing whether accordion or bouzouki. As always the historical info that you come up with is very interesting. I must admit I had taken Mr Rossi to be a ballo liscio player rather than musette, which just shows how much I have to learn. But anyway it was you that first pointed out to me the link between the two styles. Anyway, I always enjoy your posts.
 
Hello Maugein96, great to hear from you again, and true to form, an epic informative response!


maugein96 said:
Joe Rossi played the same style as the teachers Andre Astier and Joss Baselli, who wrote a teaching method together, which unusually for French accordion methods, allowed use of the thumb, but only on the outside first row. .

This is the book I use! I have 4 of the Astier/Basseli books: I am now onto Book 2 of the Premiere Methode, Ive also got Book 1 and Book 2 of the Virtuosity Level, which hopefully I will progress to one day!!! There is a 3rd Virtuosity book, but I dont have that, and cant find anything about it on the internet...

maugein96 said:
Joe Rossi very seldom played any tunes straight. He had a tendency to prefer classical music, which he also played with considerable embellishment. It was as though he was always trying to compensate for his missing finger. Although he was possessed of considerable ability, he never seemed to have a big following, probably on account of the fact that he tended to shy away from the popular dance numbers in favour of what I would call demonstration pieces, composed or adapted to show off the skill of the player.

Here is a great example of Rossis demonstration pieces, what I call a deconstructed version of Reine de Musette!:




maugein96 said:
Its a sad fact that the accordion seems to be losing popularity, even in countries like France where it often featured in the pop charts.

Actually, I think its popularity is certainly on the upswing in the Anglo sphere, admittedly following a very steep decline from 1960s to mid 2000s. Although its anecdotal, here in Sydney, Australia, my teacher (who actually teaches piano, but also teaches accordion and somehow teaches me on CBA!) was telling me the other day that a few years ago, he had no accordion students, now they make up almost half of his students.

Also, in parts of South America particularly Brazil, the popularity of the accordion remains undiminished!
 
Hi Matt,

I'm still here. I got a PM from a guy who has recently joined the forum. He calls himself John, but is actually none other than Janek Kowalski, who is/was a fantastic player of French musette in the style of Verchuren. He won the musette prize at Scarborough in 2000. His PM caused me to revisit the forum, and I got one or two surprises. One or two recent members definitely do not seem enjoy my posts, and resurrected my 2014 post about my decision not to buy a Roland. I am grateful for your kind comments to them regarding my intentions. I would have to admit that the post was perhaps a bit naive and I probably should not have posted it at all. I'd better leave it there I think.

Well, I had a great old time with the bouzouki, and joined an English speaking Greek forum, mainly comprised of Australian ex-pats, as well as a few Greeks with a modicum of English. Suffice to say that my instrument bought from a Cretan luthier was offered no "street cred", which is very important to Greek bouzouki players, who tend only to buy their instruments from big name makers in Athens and Salonika. The fact that the guy who made mine was a first rate maker of Cretan lyra with international recognition held no importance, as according to the Greeks, the Cretans don't make good bouzoukia, end of story! To be fair the bouzouki is not a traditional Cretan instrument, but I'll always love the sound of it. To be honest at my age I can't seem to learn many new tricks with it, so it has been sort of mothballed in favour of my more cosmopolitan electric guitars. I had planned to pay an extended visit to Crete later this year to live near my sister, but my wife suffered a stroke with other complications last November and has been advised against foreign travel meantime.

The accordions still get an airing from time to time, but my playing is decidedly rusty. I retire in November so maybe I'll get back to beginner status then!
 
Hello Maugein96,

What great background on this guy. I enjoyed reading about him. Being a PA player, I don't know too much about Chromatics, so a lot of what you were saying about the button keyboard is a bit out of my league, but I get the drift. Interesting about the loss of his finger.

I'm going to check out the links that you have provided, as I'm a sucker for a good Mazurka !

Thanks,
Ed
St Augustine, FL, USA
 
Maugein, very sorry to hear about your wife's health. As you say, at least retirement will give you some more hours in the day.

Ed, let us know how you get on with this mazurka. I've just been having a go at a couple of simple mazurkas, don't think I've got the feel quite right yet. This one would be way beyond what I could tackle.
 
Matt,

Not sure I can tackle it yet either. I downloaded a music writer yesterday off the web called "Musescore" so I can transpose some of this stuff. Maugein brought out some good info and a link that I have to explore. The first down load of the music for the Mazurka did not appear to be what Rossi was playing, but Maugein ( glad I don't have to pronounce that), alluded to the fact that Rossi added a lot of modulations to his written pieces. I'm guilty of that too, I must admit.

Anyway, I'll keep you advised.

Ed
 
In my conservatory days I would have practically called you a heretic for playing anything other than what was written down on the score (lol). Today, I feel that there is almost no way of injecting a little of your personality in to it unless you make a piece your own flavor by making little changes that just makes a reflection of your style in the music. This is why 10 people can play the same piece and it all sounds special and unique 10 times over and all are enjoyable.
 
Matt, I downloaded that sheet music which consisted of the solo for the violin and then a violin and piano accompaniment. Boy, that doesn't sound at all like the piece that Rossi was playing. He must have done a load of improvisation on the original. I'm not sure I really care that much for the original. Most of what I do in improvisations on tunes is really minor compared to what Rossi does. I'll say, unequivocally, listening to him is a humbling experience.
 
Sounds like you have the wrong score. The tune is called Mazurka Fantaisie, with no hyphen between the two words of the title. It seems to be the case that there is at least one classical title named Mazurka-Fantaisie, and there was also a tune called Fantaisie Mazurka written by two Belgian players, which was written in the key of C. If the score you have is not written in B flat with Medard Ferrero as the composer, then you have the wrong one.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...cAKHVydB_gQsAQISg&dpr=2#imgrc=wxy1IJtw8WQdKM:

Try the link above and youll see what I mean. The one by Medard Ferrero is the one you want, but the link only shows you the first page.

You can get the entire score from this French website, provided you register for a free 5 day trial.

http://mail.partitions-accordeon.com/

Click on scores then in the search field type Mazurka Fantaisie and youll get it there.

I have used the site in the past when most of the stuff was free, but I would take the usual precautions during the registration process.
 
Ganza,

Here is Reine de Musette the way I remember it by the guy who wrote it, Emile Vacher, said to be the creator of the entire musette genre, on his diatonic box. I probably first heard this tune and others like it in the 50s when we lived with my grandfather. We regularly tuned into Radio Lyon and heard stuff like this from morning until night. Vacher couldnt read or write music, and the pianist Jean Peyronnin had to transcribe his compositions for him. The thing was Peyronnin did better out of the deal as he shared royalties with Vacher, who regularly blew his takings on the horses whilst Peyronnin became rich.



Although not a devotee of the diatonic box, I actually prefer Vachers version. I was never a fan of Joe Rossi, although I have to commend him on his almost superhuman playing despite his missing finger.

Edit:- Sorry, Jean Peyronnin took the sole credit for this one, although the story goes that Vacher gave him it to sort out some gambling debts. Given that it is/was one of the most popular tunes in the whole musette genre, Vacher definitely sold himself short. Vachers passion for the races at Longchamp race course just outside Paris was very well known, and he even wrote a polka which also became a classic, called Auteuil Longchamp.

Good to hear the accordion is capturing the hearts of Australians. I also recently spoke with several Aussie Greeks who are keeping the bouzouki going there, and they are certainly keen on their music.

The music of Brazil usually sounds great regardless of what they are playing it on, and I wish I was young enough to get into a new style. There is a lot of great Bossa guitar stuff there, but its not something you can pick up in a few sessions. Also, Ive never been much good with fingerpicking on nylon strung instruments.
 
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