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playing without shoulder straps

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a dealer mentioned playing without shoulder straps is something they do and is good for bellows control training

has anyone come across this (unusual) training technique and its merits
 
Thats if its a concertina or a melodeon. Maybe the dealer is not a accordion player and dont know the difference. He probably plays a mouth organ or triangle.
 
goldtopia said:
Thats if its a concertina or a melodeon. Maybe the dealer is not a accordion player and dont know the difference. He probably plays a mouth organ or triangle.

:lol:

he knows the difference im sure and can probably play all of the above actually

i think quite talented as heard them play bits on piano accordion (with straps :!: :) )

unless it was a joke i didnt get but sounded like a serious comment
 
I'm sure he'd wet himself if he saw you playing his accordions in his shop without straps. One false move and you drop it on the floor.


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<FONT font=Garamond><SIZE size=125>The dealers do it because they dont want to go through the bother of installing straps on every single accordion. Thats why they do it, not for technique!
 
108.33 @1.2 €/£... but looking at them they look easy to clip on & off... so you'd only need one set for several boxes and look like you can get in & out of 'em easily... I may have to get a set to try.
I assume the bottom ones clip to the lower strap anchor?
 
these could become popular if affordable

my concern is you may have to be careful balancing the accordion on your lap or need a firm table to place it on whilst strapping on

bit like playing without straps :roll: :)
 
if playing without straps place accordion on left leg/ knee -- press chin hard against top of box.--- whilst your person is in a sort of 'U' shape either play by ear or put the sheet of dots on the floor between your legs as otherwise you won't be able to see it. keep legs open for this reason ( Scotsmen and ladies refrain from wearing kilts/skirts as such garments will prevent the viewing of the dots between the legs) --- as you will only be able to peer down with right eye this type of playing is not suitable for those who are without vision on their right side!---- if chin does not locate the box sufficiently steadily try additionaly sqashing the end of the nazal organ against the top of the box , having blown it first of course as attempts at such ventilation during playing will snot do the top of the box much good!

on second thoughts I will stick to the old fashioned notion of using two straps!

george :lol:
 
There'll be postage, too; just checked by clicking through to the checkout.... add...€25! I'll pass. The rating system on the site is useless... I thought you'd see reviews if you click on it , but if you do you've rated the product...!
 
I like the look of those Ergo straps. They'd make it possible to play your accordion while sky diving. Unfortunately I have a terrible fear of heights.
 
Buyer Beware:

From the vignoniaccordionsaberdeen ebay site given above:

"It is however necessary to understand the principles of the Alexander Technique in order to properly use these straps otherwise they might feel uncomfortable as they don't allow a great deal of leaning forwards or sideways, the movement for pressing a chin register for example must be supported with your legs used to raise the accordion towards the chin.
They are designed to be used with full sized button accordions and bayans but also give excellent results with other types of instruments such as piano keyboard ones."

It is good that the seller warns you of this. Honest practice.
 
Yes Anyanka, you couid also use those ergo straps for bungee jumping. On the way down you could use the wind instead of the bellows, or even trampolining doing somersaults.
 
Blast, not good for those with chin couplers. I'm out :)


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I thought it was common good practice for many dealers to use various purpose-made strap pairs with dog lead type clips so that potential buyers could try playing and hearing different instruments leaving the new leather straps unsoiled in their plastic bags. This is especially relevant at Festival Stands of course.
 
"playing without shoulder straps

Unread postby smdc66 » Sat May 24, 2014 4:25 pm
a dealer mentioned playing without shoulder straps is something they do and is good for bellows control training"

Playing piano accordion or chromatic button accordion without shoulder straps ?
You can do this when using your chin to block the instrument, but I have never heard off an accordion teacher using this as a training technique for PA or CBA. Using your chin to hold firm the instrument would lead to blocking your neck muscles and a risk of neck pain. Our teachers told always use both shoulder straps.

To a novice I would say, never ever go to a dealer without the presence of your accordion teacher (someone having obtained his higher accordion degree in a music conservatory).
Our novice students are always accompanied by their teacher when they go buying their accordion in the music shop, or the dealer brings the accordions to the music school when the teacher is present.

Stop putting al your confidence in dealers, and start listening to accordion teachers with a good degree and didactic skills for accordion.
It seems to me the absence of a good teachers network in UK and USA is the cause of disinformation by some dealers selling accordions without solid background and practice.
 
I like the advice of having your teacher or someone who really knows the instrument to come with you when you purchase one. I don't know if being conservatory trained is important or necessary or even the best choice in all cases. just someone who has the experience and knowledge necessary to make the best decisions and ask the right questions to keep you from getting ripped off and find the accordion best suited to you and your style. Just my own opinion of course. Schools and teachers have a long history of promoting "their" brands and when dealers are bringing instruments to the school or the teacher is bringing you to his store, be on the lookout for kickbacks.
 
Not promoting any brand or maker, rather the novice student is best surrounded by experts like teachers.
You are right some teachers are promoting "their" brands, but this is often the accordion brand/maker that is to be blamed. Because many times Italian or other makers only make 1 person a representative for his brand in a country. The maker offers a % per accordion sold by the teacher to the student.
This off course leads to this 1 person ( a dealer or dealer-teacher) trying to catch as many teachers and his/her students, to sell as much instruments as possible.

This % reduction is a benefit for the teacher and for the student, it's common practice. But in my experience most of the times the Italian top brands are used by the teachers (Bugari, Pigini, Borsini, Mengascini, Brandoni, ... etc) or the German brands. So I don't think the teachers will sell bad low quality instruments.

They sometimes do have a tendency for pushing young kids to buy an accordion that is too big and too heavy for a child, because they want to save the student from upgrading to a larger instruments, and so spending money on 2 accordions. They do this when they think the kid/student has got talent and ambition for conservatory studies.

The real challenge is to make distinction between good teachers and the teacher-dealers with focus on selling only.
This is the same for piano , cello and violin teachers.
Good teachers only recommend good instruments, because they know cheap low quality (Chinese etc.) accordions very often lead to poor playing habits. Bellows too stiff, action too slow, reeds poorly tuned (or even only machine tuned, without manual fine tuning...). A bad instrument will always lead to poor playing, this is the same with cheap "classical" guitars, poor strings and multi layered fake-wooden top. And teachers know you can never correct bad playing habits with a bad music instrument, so a good teacher will always try to avoid his student to play on a poor instrument.

Teachers can do some preselection and propose a selection of good brands to the students. The teacher can invite a multitude of brands/makers in his accordion classroom, or he/she could visit music fairs with students and try the accordions. But it's true the %-system used by the Italian makers has been around for a long time, because the 3 parties can benefit (the maker sells to the dealer, the teacher gets his % from the dealer, and the student gets his % from the dealer when in presence of the teacher). Nobody is obliged to buy a certain brand.
 
Stephen said:
To a novice I would say, never ever go to a dealer without the presence of your accordion teacher

Our novice students are always accompanied by their teacher when they go buying their accordion in the music shop, or the dealer brings the accordions to the music school when the teacher is present.

Stop putting al your confidence in dealers, and start listening to accordion teachers with a good degree and didactic skills for accordion.

It seems to me the absence of a good teachers network in UK and USA is the cause of disinformation by some dealers selling accordions without solid background and practice.

good points but the logistics / practicality of meeting up with a teacher and visiting dealers would make this rare - and not everyone has a teacher - your novice students are fortunate to have this back up - also i am unsure where you are but presume you may have a shop nearby

there must be ways to help though as its a minefield out there -
 
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