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Roland Fr 3x User Progam settings

Rainer

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Hi, its been a very long time since I last joined the forum.

Having just purchased a Yamaha keyboard and battled with the settings and having surprisingly won, I decided to have another go at generating User Program files on My FR3x Accordion.

I have had this instrument for 13 years and the only user program files were the ones supplied by Richard Noel.

Frustration at the tediousness of the procedure required for this prevented me from programming it and making do with the

the user set files and existing accordion sounds.

But over the last week I decided to dissect the procedure amend it and wrote it down.

So for those who have not programmed the Accordion for the same reasons as given, see info below. Do let me know of any errors and also criticism where applicable.

Regards
Rainer


FR-3X: How to create user programs


For those who have shied away from this function.


User programs allow you to save a selection of various instrument sets and assign them each one of the Tabs/registers, so that you can recall them all with the touch of a button instantly. This applies to the your selected sounds on bass side and the treble side being linked together.
You can use the following procedure to create a user program:


* First Select all of the Instrument settings you'd like to save in your user program; tones, drums, etc. then Press and hold the [USER PROGRAM] button to select the “write mode” (the display will show a flashing "UP").
Then choose and Press any of the treble register ([1] to [0]) to which you want to assign/write your selection of instruments to that register/tab. This will save your chosen instruments for that tab to the user Program. It’s best to start with tab No 1 and write down which tab has been set/programmed. Failure to do so can result in accidentally overwriting an already programmed tab with a different set of instruments.

If you are happy with the selected sounds for that tab then Press the [USER PROGRAM] button again to leave memory mode. This has now only registered the one selected tab with your own set of chosen instruments i.e. Bass, Chord and the treble side chosen instrument .

Set up the remaining registers/tabs individually with your different selection of instruments following the above procedures. To save the whole of the 10 tabs as a complete set as a “User program file” “Set/press” Blue tab and wander down to “SUV” = Save, which is the last one on the setting menu. This will allocate and automatically generate a User program file number starting with 0 for the first file saved which increments by one up to maximum of 10, each time a new set of user file has been assembled and saved.
When completed, the set up, the User settings will be stored on the memory stick.
! Failure to finally save (SUV) your just programmed sets will result in the loss of them when next you power up the instrument.
To delete any of the saved user programs
you need to load the data from the USB stick on the pc and select the USP file separately then delete it..
The procedure, like many Japanese programs is tedious and not user friendly .
* Note the Instrument can only store up to 10 User program files, as blocks of the 10 Tabs / registers. So think about how you are going to populate those settings.
Ideally set up separate User set files with a selection of instruments which suit the type of music tou are going to play i.e. Country , Jazz orchestra etc. and then convert them into user program files.
Only the programmed tabs will be saved via the Save “SUV” function. Any not programmed ones will also be saved as they are as a part of the whole saved set.

Hope this helps





























 
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Hi Rainer.
Thanks for your efforts. I understood from other users that the Richard Noel sets are great, so wondering what you wish to change.
I have a FR3xb and have thought about getting the Richard Noel sets as the original installed sounds are dire.
I'll have to examine this in more detali but I fear, at my advanced years, this may be beyond me.
Looking forward to other comments
 
Hi Rainer.
Thanks for your efforts. I understood from other users that the Richard Noel sets are great, so wondering what you wish to change.
I have a FR3xb and have thought about getting the Richard Noel sets as the original installed sounds are dire.
I'll have to examine this in more detali but I fear, at my advanced years, this may be beyond me.
Looking forward to other comments
Hi Pipemajor,
Richard set are OK bur making you own User programs can widen the scope of your sound combinations by customising the the user program. For this you can use the already bult in sound as to practise the setting procedure. If you can manage that you can advance to the more complex settings involving the maken up User sets which allows you to change the registers.
 
Thanks Rainer. a while ago I had a go with the set editor but found you have to rely on the description of the sounds, go through all the rigmarole of copying them to usb memory, loading them to the Fr3 before you know what it sounds like.
I soon gave up :(
 
Yes Pipemajor,

Had the same problem years ago when I posted a few lines on a forum venting my frustrations and got a reply agreeing with me and stating "I feel your pain"

However I carried on and found it got easier with time when programming the different user sets.

It is noticeable by their absence that there are no Home made User sets and User programs freely available whereas for Key board there are lots of them available on the net.

I set up a spreadsheet with the automated access to all of the instruments. This way I could prepare a list of the different settings to have on the screen so I knew exactly what the contents are of a User set prior to selecting and making up a set.

Minus points awarded to the Fx accordion are, a pain to set up, transposing needs too many button presses, on my Keyboard is easy to do on the fly. The fact you can not monitor/hear any of the adjustments made to the sounds using the sound editor this apparently also applied to the FRx8.

As Roland do not have any competition regarding the V range of accordions they do not need to bother to creating refinements regarding the software, this of course leaves it to be a possibility whenever a newer model comes out but I believe marketing will have the final say-so.

Regarding “Pipemajor”, are you of Scottish descendancy ? You do not need to answer that :-)



Regards

Rainer
 
Yes Pipemajor,

Had the same problem years ago when I posted a few lines on a forum venting my frustrations and got a reply agreeing with me and stating "I feel your pain"

However I carried on and found it got easier with time when programming the different user sets.

It is noticeable by their absence that there are no Home made User sets and User programs freely available whereas for Key board there are lots of them available on the net.

I set up a spreadsheet with the automated access to all of the instruments. This way I could prepare a list of the different settings to have on the screen so I knew exactly what the contents are of a User set prior to selecting and making up a set.

Minus points awarded to the Fx accordion are, a pain to set up, transposing needs too many button presses, on my Keyboard is easy to do on the fly. The fact you can not monitor/hear any of the adjustments made to the sounds using the sound editor this apparently also applied to the FRx8.

As Roland do not have any competition regarding the V range of accordions they do not need to bother to creating refinements regarding the software, this of course leaves it to be a possibility whenever a newer model comes out but I believe marketing will have the final say-so.

Regarding “Pipemajor”, are you of Scottish descendancy ? You do not need to answer that :)



Regards

Rainer
The fact you can not monitor/hear any of the adjustments made to the sounds using the sound editor this apparently also applied to the FRx8.


This is incorrect I plug my 8X into my computer and make changes to sets and can hear whatever I change by depressing the keys on the 8X - just change your bellows setting to off
Also transposing on the fly is easy - 1 button push just save a user program with the transposition and with 1 register button push you transpose
 
Yes Pipemajor,

Had the same problem years ago when I posted a few lines on a forum venting my frustrations and got a reply agreeing with me and stating "I feel your pain"

However I carried on and found it got easier with time when programming the different user sets.

It is noticeable by their absence that there are no Home made User sets and User programs freely available whereas for Key board there are lots of them available on the net.

I set up a spreadsheet with the automated access to all of the instruments. This way I could prepare a list of the different settings to have on the screen so I knew exactly what the contents are of a User set prior to selecting and making up a set.

Minus points awarded to the Fx accordion are, a pain to set up, transposing needs too many button presses, on my Keyboard is easy to do on the fly. The fact you can not monitor/hear any of the adjustments made to the sounds using the sound editor this apparently also applied to the FRx8.

As Roland do not have any competition regarding the V range of accordions they do not need to bother to creating refinements regarding the software, this of course leaves it to be a possibility whenever a newer model comes out but I believe marketing will have the final say-so.

Regarding “Pipemajor”, are you of Scottish descendancy ? You do not need to answer that :)



Regards

Rainer
Hi Rainer, yes, born in Balloch on the banks of Loch Lomond and brought up in a little village near Arbroath on the east coast, but moved to London when I was 19 . Played the pipes for most of my life (still do) and was pipemajor of a band for about 20 years :)
 
The fact you can not monitor/hear any of the adjustments made to the sounds using the sound editor this apparently also applied to the FRx8.


This is incorrect I plug my 8X into my computer and make changes to sets and can hear whatever I change by depressing the keys on the 8X - just change your bellows setting to off
Also transposing on the fly is easy - 1 button push just save a user program with the transposition and with 1 register button push you transpose
Hi you perhaps misunderstood, I have the FR3x piano accordion which unfortunatly does not have those functions so to change Key/transpose one needs to press one button then select with the others the transpose function and the the steps up or down. No chance of doing live. You can not store transposition on the user set otr user program, only octive relating to an instrument can be saved.
No other settings are possible with the computor direct connection.
The only other controls are via midi conection which I use for the BK7m Backup.
If you know different please let me know and thanks for taking an interest.
 
Hi Rainer, yes, born in Balloch on the banks of Loch Lomond and brought up in a little village near Arbroath on the east coast, but moved to London when I was 19 . Played the pipes for most of my life (still do) and was pipemajor of a band for about 20 years :)
Hi, thats very interesting as I have a cousin who lives in Balloch. His father owned the Gay Gordon cafe on the main road. And by coincidence, I was told about another Scottish guy 80+ a few weeks ago who was born on the Isle of Sky. He was a member of a Police Pipe band for many years and played in towns in Germany. I have been inc contact with him, he has a very nice analogue piano accordion and loves Scottish music.

I met him a couple of times and he joined our group but its the usual that the accordion is not a favourite instruments in England which leaes a narrow scope of what songs to play with the others.

You and I have an advantage of being able to use orchestral instruments which are usually more acceptable to the others in the group.

Of course for folk music, the various types of accordions are very much ideal.

I see you have a chromatic button version of the FR3x Accordion. It is said that if one can play Piano then the Piano key accordion is better when learning to play the accordion. But the button type should be considered if one has not learned to play the Piano as it is easier to play quick tunes due to the location of the notes and transposition is also easy like on the bass button.




Take a look at this guy on you tube


Thanks for getting back to me Regards
Rainer
 
Hi you perhaps misunderstood, I have the FR3x piano accordion which unfortunatly does not have those functions so to change Key/transpose one needs to press one button then select with the others the transpose function and the the steps up or down. No chance of doing live. You can not store transposition on the user set otr user program, only octive relating to an instrument can be saved.
No other settings are possible with the computor direct connection.
The only other controls are via midi conection which I use for the BK7m Backup.
If you know different please let me know and thanks for taking an interest.
Rainer I own the 8X but I would be very surprised to find out that you can’t save a transpose in a user program with the 3X. Perhaps someone with a 3X can chime in on this?? Can anyone with a 3X tell us if you can save a transpose setting in a user program??
 
Can anyone with a 3X tell us if you can save a transpose setting in a user program??
Please correct me, but even on an 8X you cannot save a transpose to a specific key.(and save that to a registration).. what is done is use the MFX 82: Pitch setting and raise or lower the keyboards by "X" number of semi-tones (cannot directly remember if I am referencing the right parameters by heart).
 
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Please correct me, but even on an 8X you cannot save a transpose to a specific key.(and save that to a registration).. what is done is use the MFX 82: Pitch setting and raise or lower the keyboards by "X" number of semi-tones (cannot directly remember if I am referencing the right parameters by heart).
What I am saying is save the transpose as a user program so you have user program #1 - 1 playing in C then user program #1 - 2 playing in C sharp which is up half step. I use this often so you just push register # 2 to transpose up the half step or to whatever you want it
 
. I use this often so you just push register # 2 to transpose up the half step or to whatever you want it
What parameter are you using to make this happen in the editor? I did a fast look recently, and there are 2 ways to do it, but the PITCH adjust parameter is the only one that I could find that was able to be used WITHIN a UPG adjustable parameter. There is no parameter that transposes directly to a specific key, at least none that I could find. :)

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Under MFX Edit, effect 23 PITCH SHIFT or effect 81: STEP PITCH are the 2 settings that can do this.. which one are you using to "change the key" in the UPG parameter? effect 81 is the way I believe that Dale Mathis is doing it and the easier way that I see I would need to do it.
 
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What parameter are you using to make this happen in the editor? I did a fast look recently, and there are 2 ways to do it, but the PITCH adjust parameter is the only one that I could find that was able to be used WITHIN a UPG adjustable parameter. There is no parameter that transposes directly to a specific key, at least none that I could find. :)
I’ll do a short video when I get a chance
 
What parameter are you using to make this happen in the editor? I did a fast look recently, and there are 2 ways to do it, but the PITCH adjust parameter is the only one that I could find that was able to be used WITHIN a UPG adjustable parameter. There is no parameter that transposes directly to a specific key, at least none that I could find. :)

EDIT:

Under MFX Edit, effect 23 PITCH SHIFT or effect 81: STEP PITCH are the 2 settings that can do this.. which one are you using to "change the key" in the UPG parameter? effect 81 is the way I believe that Dale Mathis is doing it and the easier way that I see I would need to do it.
Here’s the video

 
Rainer I own the 8X but I would be very surprised to find out that you can’t save a transpose in a user program with the 3X. Perhaps someone with a 3X can chime in on this?? Can anyone with a 3X tell us if you can save a transpose setting in a user program??
Check out the manual
 
Hi,
I would like to add a point which I think is important to keep in mind. The UPG are dependent on the SETS. If you use the built in sets ( and sounds) you will have no problem using these UPG in the future or porting them to another instrument ( of the same model).
If you add sounds from the sound expansion files ( and sets using these sounds), if you delete these sets or change them, the UPG will change too (or become unstable).
I have not experienced this on the FR-3, but have read about this and have have sets on the FR-7 that were un-usable because they relied on an expansion sound which didn't exist anymore.

https://www.accordionists.info/threads/roland-v-accordians-user-sets-programs-sounds.7620/post-81280



Richard Noel's sets rely on the Orch and Alpine expansion sounds, so I will stick with them.

To sum this up: "Know your sets well before you invest a lot of time in developing User Programs".

Another tip to keep in mind is what every software developer knows ( and doesn't necessarily do). 1 minute of documentation while you are creating your sets and user programs, will save you 20 minutes of effort later on.

Simon
 
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