Roland probably should.....................

[landro]

...............use this in their ads.
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I assume the player was using the foot pedal to change sounds.

 

[JerryPH]

You know, there are so many seriously talented people that are Roland V-Accordion owners out there of which maybe 1% appear online. Years ago Roland used to sponsor these V-Accordion contests internationally... The talent level was seriously scary high!

BTW, Yes, he was using a footpedal to move "ahead" in his program settings. He could also have done this using any one of the 3 chin switches too.

 

[JIM D.]

Yes he's switching pre-programed custom made sets using the foot pedal supplied with the 7x. Chin switches were not available until the 8x was introduced.

 

[JerryPH]

Chin switches were not available until the 8x was introduced.

oh... ooops. :lol:

 

[Geronimo]

Chin switches were not available until the 8x was introduced.

oh... ooops. :lol:

He could have glued the foot pedals to the treble. Real men wont stand for those tiny knobs.

 

[JIM D.]

This is the pedal supplied with a 7x.

https://reverb.com/item/1530557-roland-fbc-7-v-acordion-pedal-fr-7

To its use see here --

https://www.roland.com/au/support/by_product/fr-7x/owners_manuals/

 

[Keymn]

You know, there are so many seriously talented people that are Roland V-Accordion owners out there of which maybe 1% appear online. Years ago Roland used to sponsor these V-Accordion contests internationally... The talent level was seriously scary high!

BTW, Yes, he was using a footpedal to move ahead in his program settings. He could also have done this using any one of the 3 chin switches too.

I have been watching those online Roland demos which I agree there is many more talents out there. I am arranging a short concert at my Grandaughters preschool. Maybe the younger generation has to at least know what an accordion is!

 

[Geronimo]

You know, there are so many seriously talented people that are Roland V-Accordion owners out there of which maybe 1% appear online. Years ago Roland used to sponsor these V-Accordion contests internationally... The talent level was seriously scary high!

BTW, Yes, he was using a footpedal to move ahead in his program settings. He could also have done this using any one of the 3 chin switches too.

I have been watching those online Roland demos which I agree there is many more talents out there. I am arranging a short concert at my Grandaughters preschool. Maybe the younger generation has to at least know what an accordion is!

With a Roland? Thats like teaching what a dog is with a robodog. Yes, a Roland has a real bellows but its sort of like a robodog with a real pelt.

There are just too many why? how? what? questions boiling down to thats the way youd have to do it on an acoustic accordion. Open the instrument, and there are no answers to be found in a Roland. It is merely created in the image of an accordion. By all means, bring it along but I think an acoustic one belongs in the demo case for the younger generation as well.

 

[Alan Sharkis]

Roland probably should also take a look at color. Black is classic, but also not what everyone wants. Red, as in the later models cant compare to the better red they used on the original FR-7. But Ive run into a lot of people who would be happier with other colors. An electric blue, for example, is something my teacher, who owns both an 8x and a 4x would kill for.

I know that;s a small item compared to foot pedals, etc.. But it can only improve sales if Roland does a survey to find out which colors to add to its line and then acts on it.

 

[Keymn]

The color is a big thing for some. Sound is more of a concern to me. Unlike my old Fr7, the later models seemed to need more editing. Why, I am not sure? It is critiqued on YouTube and seem to sell with personal edits.

Accordions are tough to pack all those electronics. My Korg is far superior in accordion sounds but it has 61 full size keys and look at the size.

Why the fr4x did not have two way midi on the single midi jack, I am not sure? Can that be a feature added with an upgrade? The midi in would receive control changes from my Korg to select registers on accordion. My wireless MidiJet is set for two way midi, just need the cable. It can be done through the computer port, through iPad Songbook + App. But need additiona hardware and power supply. For me, not an option. Trying to keep it simple without all those wires. FR8x, not a problem.

 

[Geronimo]

Why the fr4x did not have two way midi on the single midi jack, I am not sure? Can that be a feature added with an upgrade? The midi in would receive control changes from my Korg to select registers on accordion. My wireless MidiJet is set for two way midi, just need the cable. It can be done through the computer port, through iPad Songbook + App. But need additiona hardware and power supply. For me, not an option. Trying to keep it simple without all those wires. FR8x, not a problem.

I was of the impression that on Roland models with separate Midi-In and Midi-Out ports you still had to decide whether your accordion was operating from the keyboard or the Midi-In. Thats different from my old MS-40 arranger which can be operated both from its Midi-In port (presumably just using it as expander) and KEYB port (another Midi-In that is subject to driving all of the voice/program/expander logic) while playing to Midi-Out, well, what you tell it to put there. And I think my MS-80 will additionally take its own builtin (accordion) keyboard as needed.

All in parallel.

Whats the story on the FR-8X then, and is it different from that on FR-7 and/or FR-7x?

 

[Keymn]

Why the fr4x did not have two way midi on the single midi jack, I am not sure? Can that be a feature added with an upgrade? The midi in would receive control changes from my Korg to select registers on accordion. My wireless MidiJet is set for two way midi, just need the cable. It can be done through the computer port, through iPad Songbook + App. But need additiona hardware and power supply. For me, not an option. Trying to keep it simple without all those wires. FR8x, not a problem.

I was of the impression that on Roland models with separate Midi-In and Midi-Out ports you still had to decide whether your accordion was operating from the keyboard or the Midi-In. Thats different from my old MS-40 arranger which can be operated both from its Midi-In port (presumably just using it as expander) and KEYB port (another Midi-In that is subject to driving all of the voice/program/expander logic) while playing to Midi-Out, well, what you tell it to put there. And I think my MS-80 will additionally take its own builtin (accordion) keyboard as needed.

All in parallel.

Whats the story on the FR-8X then, and is it different from that on FR-7 and/or FR-7x?

Not an 8x owner. Right now with my Relocation to Scottsdale, Arizona, need to practice my songs for upcoming events. I am set with equipment, need not worry about something new. That does not put bread in the jar. Unless you take these gadgets to limits and learn all those bells and whistles, maybe?
New accordions, arrangers May be answer for some, but for me, I just needed a smaller accordion with low maintenance and midi/audio out. Not 100% of my gigs I use the accordion. The Korg has been getting busy use lately.

 

[Geronimo]

Not an 8x owner. Right now with my Relocation to Scottsdale, Arizona, need to practice my songs for upcoming events. I am set with equipment, need not worry about something new. That does not put bread in the jar. Unless you take these gadgets to limits and learn all those bells and whistles, maybe?
New accordions, arrangers May be answer for some, but for me, I just needed a smaller accordion with low maintenance and midi/audio out. Not 100% of my gigs I use the accordion. The Korg has been getting busy use lately.

I think one of the most common reasons for running after the newest gadget is mindshare. The more people use a certain setup, the more likely youll find registrations, patterns, songs, and so on ready-made and affordable and people being able to help you with your problems.

When the majority of your entertainment value is grown from your own work with your tools, an upgrade to newer and different tools is going to have a larger toll and less payoff.

Its not as much a problem if your tools grow out of fashion than if your music does. And, I mean, we are playing accordion, arent we?

 

[debra]

Yes hes switching pre-programed custom made sets using the foot pedal supplied with the 7x. Chin switches were not available until the 8x was introduced.

Indeed, and I still dont understand why Roland decided to go with just 3 chin switches. There must be room for more, as many (convertor) PAs already have 5 chin switches and some even 7 (5 in one row, 2 in another row). I really like having the 8 chin switches on my AKKO but I do realize that the bayan form factor is needed to fit that many. With the form factor of the Roland 5 would have been a realistic upper limit.

 

[Keymn]

I am not a fan of changing sounds or have a row of sets for particular songs. Sounds impressive but when you are doing a face paced one Hour Show like I do sometimes, Need to concentrate on the audience more then the accordion sounds.
I never mention, I have a particular brand of accordion to a client, some do...we are there for one purpose, “to sell our music act”, not your instrument.

 

[derham285]

I'm into programming midi exanders to suit my needs. I'm into sampling accordion sounds and have been using them for years on a Audio Pro V-Machine. I've just got myself a Roland FR3X and been proramming it to suit my needs.
Seems to me Roland need to think about these developments:
1. The ability to layer two sounds on the two bass rows on the left hand. So that we could have e.g. a piano and upright bass layered.
2. Create a conversion program that would allow us to load single reed set samples and create .bi3 files for loading in to the FR3x or alteratively have a capability of uploading samples to a website for Roland to convert to .bi3 files for us to download.
These mods could probably be done by a software upgrade and would make an already excellent instrument even better.

 

[Keymn]

Im into programming midi exanders to suit my needs. Im into sampling accordion sounds and have been using them for years on a Audio Pro V-Machine. Ive just got myself a Roland FR3X and been proramming it to suit my needs.
Seems to me Roland need to think about these developments:
1. The ability to layer two sounds on the two bass rows on the left hand. So that we could have e.g. a piano and upright bass layered.
2. Create a conversion program that would allow us to load single reed set samples and create .bi3 files for loading in to the FR3x or alteratively have a capability of uploading samples to a website for Roland to convert to .bi3 files for us to download.
These mods could probably be done by a software upgrade and would make an already excellent instrument even better.

It is a marketing scheme. Just like synths/arrangers. They eventually change the operating systems or hardware after a couple upgrades. Then no longer the older models are upgradable. That’s the same with computers and phones. What is next? Roland has that arranger, E-A7. Is this going to be the new base for VAccordion sound module or replacement of Bk-7m? Who knows?

I think the answer is outside third party development to enhance what we have. Look at all the software plugins available for DAW! Unfortunately, these plugins are not targeting the accordion player market.
Then the accordion will become a midi controller. Although, Takes away from the realism of what the accordion is about.

 

[torch]

Im into programming midi exanders to suit my needs. Im into sampling accordion sounds and have been using them for years on a Audio Pro V-Machine. Ive just got myself a Roland FR3X and been proramming it to suit my needs.
Seems to me Roland need to think about these developments:
1. The ability to layer two sounds on the two bass rows on the left hand. So that we could have e.g. a piano and upright bass layered.
2. Create a conversion program that would allow us to load single reed set samples and create .bi3 files for loading in to the FR3x or alteratively have a capability of uploading samples to a website for Roland to convert to .bi3 files for us to download.
These mods could probably be done by a software upgrade and would make an already excellent instrument even better.

I like your suggestions for Roland but I dont think any of them will be implemented. You can not even layer two orchestra voices for the treble on the latest model FR4x(The 7x was not able to load two orchestra voices for the treble initially, but later they did update the OS so that two treble orchestra voices could be layered.) Fortunately, Roland V accordions have allotted two MIDI channels for the bass so that you can layer two sounds.

BTW, I, too, have a V-Machine with Classic Key Collection by SM Pro Audio. It is perfect to run a low RAM/CPU VST instruments such as VB3, but pretty inadequate to run more robust plug-ins.

 

[Keymn]

Im into programming midi exanders to suit my needs. Im into sampling accordion sounds and have been using them for years on a Audio Pro V-Machine. Ive just got myself a Roland FR3X and been proramming it to suit my needs.
Seems to me Roland need to think about these developments:
1. The ability to layer two sounds on the two bass rows on the left hand. So that we could have e.g. a piano and upright bass layered.
2. Create a conversion program that would allow us to load single reed set samples and create .bi3 files for loading in to the FR3x or alteratively have a capability of uploading samples to a website for Roland to convert to .bi3 files for us to download.
These mods could probably be done by a software upgrade and would make an already excellent instrument even better.

I like your suggestions for Roland but I dont think any of them will be implemented. You can not even layer two orchestra voices for the treble on the latest model FR4x(The 7x was not able to load two orchestra voices for the treble initially, but later they did update the OS so that two treble orchestra voices could be layered.) Fortunately, Roland V accordions have allotted two MIDI channels for the bass so that you can layer two sounds.

BTW, I, too, have a V-Machine with Classic Key Collection by SM Pro Audio. It is perfect to run a low RAM/CPU VST instruments such as VB3, but pretty inadequate to run more robust plug-ins.

No matter what model you have Old or new, they all serve the purpose in the real world. Even the factory settings. Believe me! I used the fr7 several years, factory settings for years. Concentrate on what you have, improve your accordion skills. And if you are gigging out, get a quality sound system...happy playing!