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Titano Dandy questions

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Hi,
I am a pianist who just recently picked up the accordion. I was helped by a wonderful professional accordionist to get my first accordion. He said it was in immaculate condition and recommended it for the size and weight for me at this stage of learning. It came from a Croatian family whose grandfather had played it and then it was passed to their uncle and eventually picked up by my accordionist acquaintance. Here it is:

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It appears to be a Titano Dandy and the number on it says 4972. The place in the oval where it says serial number is blank, so I don’t know whether this 4972 is a serial number, model/style number, date code (like 49th week of 1972) or what. Does anyone have any idea? The accordion is approximately 17” outside dimension on keyboard including the red part. I don’t know how these are measured exactly, so if measuring only from edge of white keys maybe it’s 16”? Or is this considered a 17”?

I tried looking this up on internet and didn’t have too many results. There are a few differences in my accordion compared to most online pictures of Dandy’s. Most if not all Titano’s have the word “Titano” printed on that semi-circular “grill” adjacent to the keyboard also. Here is one with that writing on the grill:

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It says Titano both on the top of the case near the bellows with sort of elongated tall thin font letters, and also on that semi-circular curved grill above the 2 buttons to select the sound. Mine doesn’t have any lettering on the grill but it has labels on the buttons indicating the sound.

This one looks more like mine:

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Notice the semi-circular grill above the 5 sound selector buttons is more metallic in colour and doesn’t say “Titano” on it. Also the Titano written on the top is not as tall a font, similar to mine. However although this looks more like my accordion as far as the grill lettering, sound button labels and font mentioned previously, it has 5 sound buttons and mine has 2. Also notice above my sound buttons it says the name on clearly readable labels (Bandoneon and Clarinet) just like this one has labels.

What I’m wondering is if this accordion has been reconditioned at some point and parts borrowed from other models because some of these parts may be from other accordion models that may have fit. Perhaps the original letters fell off the grill so it was changed to a metal one that was available? The labels on the keys match those in the 5 button model but not the 2 button in the photo.

My accordionist acquaintance was shocked at the great condition of the instrument given it’s purported age. I still have no idea how old it is. I am excited to start playing it regardless of the history but it is interesting to find out if anyone else has come across such a model of Titano Dandy which may explain a time of manufacture since the design of the Titano lettering is different from other models.

Thanks for any insight you can provide! Looking forward to spending many hours a week with this red beauty!
 
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It's gorgeous!🙂
You measure the keyboard across the outside edges of the outermost white keys (don't include the red edges).
It's probably from the early 1950s and probably has two sets of treble reeds ( a high and a low).
It's by a good Italian maker.
Enjoy!
🙂
 
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Congratulations on your beautiful accordion! So many different variations of Italian accordions were made back in the day (including Titanos). Enjoy it!!!!
 
A 1950's vintage 2/4 reed student model Titano. They were made in 2/4 & 3/4 reed models -- LM - LMH - & LMM.
These models were of quality build.
 
I wanted to mention something I noticed with my accordion. A very minor issue which I don’t plan to “fix” at the moment. However, after seeing some videos on accordion construction I’m trying to understand the mechanics of what is happening.

So I have 2 voice registers, one is Bandoneon and the other Clarinet. I believe this is considered LM? When I am in Bandoneon mode I guess it’s using 2 reed sets (2 dots on register button indicate L and M together?) and when I use Clarinet is only uses one reed set (1 for in middle indicating M only?).

Ok so when I am in Bandoneon mode and open and close the bellows, there is one key specifically that makes the Bandoneon sound on the way out, but on the way in it makes the Clarinet sound. It’s the only one, the rest are perfect and the bass side sounds perfect.

When I am in Clarinet mode, they all sound fine like Clarinet, on both opening and closing. Which means the M reeds are all functioning fine on both out and in. So the pair for that note is working.

So what I am concluding here is that for that particular note the L reed pair for that note is working only in one direction. However I don’t seem to lose any compression at all. It doesn’t feel any “easier” going out or in on that note, which I would expect if the leather was gone or there was a large opening in that reed pair. So I’m thinking maybe the leather flap is stuck on that L reed set for that note on one side (out) but not on the bellow-in side.

In that case, what I expect would happen is that when I am in Bandoneon mode the note would play normally on the “in” stroke, going through both the L and M reeds normally. However on the “out” it would go over only the M reed (Clarinet) and not the L…. So it would sound like Clarinet and not Bandoneon. I hope I’m thinking about this correctly?

Either that or the reed is stuck or not vibrating, maybe slightly rotated or stuck on something. However if the valve of leather was missing I would expect that note to be “weak” on the other stroke as air would be rushing through both in/out reeds?

Anyways not anything I want to bother with, just thinking about the mechanics. I can’t even hear it most of the time, it only happens on one stroke (and only if I happen to play that note) and if I play as a Clarinet it isn’t even an issue.
 
it could be as simple as a hard spec of dirt got pulled in with the
wind and got "stuck" in that reed
(typically between that steel reedtongue and aluminum frame)
so it gets jammed

pinging the reed with your fingernail or thin metal feeler can
dislodge the offending particle

it could also be more difficult, if the reed is out of angle
to "start" and needs gently adjusted

or yes, if a leather is stuck

we forget how much air gets sucked through our accordions,
and how much dirt, dust, dandruff, flotsam and jetsam also get
pulled though, and past the reeds

depending on your cooking habits, there may also be an oily residue
eventually catch on the steels, and then attract more dust

looking at your reeds under a strong light can reveal a lot of
interesting things, for which q-tips and a dab of 90 proof alcohol
are handy to have

i also typically use my shop Electrolux, which can flow air
in either direction, to whisk and loosen dust and dirt from
a reedblock (carefully) when i open a dirty old accordion

if any reed leathers are loose, one might electrolux a few of those away too
 
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Edy,
I'd keep the vacuum cleaner away from the reeds as it's liable to pull your leather valves, even reed plates off if the wax has gone brittle.
Second, every note on each voice has two reeds: one sounds on the pull, another on the push.
For your clarinet setting ( one voice), there's only a single ( middle ) reed sounding on the bellows in, another single (M) reed, attached to the same reed plate, sounding on the bellows out, while the leather valve keeps the first reed from sounding by blocking its air.
When playing bandoneon (two voices), two separate reeds (an L and a M) sound simultaneously on the in and another (L and M) pair on the way out
In your case , one of the L notes isn't sounding on the in (push) portion : a stuck reed.
As already mentioned, this could be as simple as some fluff caught up in the reed tongue and "pinging " could free it.
For a technician, this could take 5 mins.
Personally, I would have a technician look at it. Simple as it probably is🙂
 
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