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Jazz like never before?

JerryPH

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I'm not in to Jazz, it never drew me in, but I took a look at this vide and was sucked in hook, line and sinker!
I don't know enough about Jazz as to WHY its so pleasant to me, maybe the sound, maybe the style, but wow, I had to hear that video TWICE in a row.

Thoughts?

 
I like the music but not the way the camera is flitting about all over the place. There is some of their music on Spotify and they seem to cover several genres. The combo of banjo and accordion is unusual ( to me anyway )
 
wirralaccordion said:
I like the music but not the way the camera is flitting about all over the place. There is some of their music on Spotify and they seem to cover several genres. The combo of banjo and accordion is unusual ( to me anyway )
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Yeah, that’s some people’s interpretation of what a cinematic video is. The angle changes are disjointed and erratic, the sign of a less e experienced editor. :)
 
JerryPH said:
I'm not in to Jazz, it never drew me in, but I took a look at this vide and was sucked in hook, line and sinker!
I don't know enough about Jazz as to WHY its so pleasant to me, maybe the sound, maybe the style, but wow, I had to hear that video TWICE in a row.

Thoughts?

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Very Nice, but I still like the way Art Van Damme and Stian Carstensen play.

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Accordion jazz came to be thought of as that mid-century Frank Marocco or Art Van Damme sound. Which is a chordal sound. It is also a post-bepop sound in terms of some of the harmony going on in the improv. Same on CBA with Johnny Meier. All players of greatness. But there are other jazz forms, and it's okay if other jazz forms are what floats one's boat. There is pre-bepop swing jazz, and there's single-line rather than chordal playing. Those two things are not required to always occur together, but they can be, and that is the case in the original post.

Let's not forget that Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli were playing jazz. A pre-bepop form of jazz. Swing jazz, in his case flavored and resting on a foundation of gypsy/musette/Italian harmonic sounds. That is essentially what is being played here by this wonderful group. I too prefer this type of jazz. And whether old-school swing, or later bebop stuff, I also prefer single-line jazz playing to the chordal sound, be it on accordion, piano, or guitar. Jazz is a big tent, there are flavors for everyone.

And yes, banjo was not infrequently present in old-school swing jazz. Usually four-string banjo. Here is the legendary comix artist R. Crumb on banjo with the wonderful Primitifs du Futur, who played musette as well as Django swing. Lovely accordion in this clip and fabulous accordion playing in their other music too. This clip is more a simple musette waltz, but there are lots of gorgeous swing jazz clips as well, by the one and only Primitifs du Futur.



 
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murathan said:
My thought is there are so many incredible performances new and old, not much people cares anymore.
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No one cares anymore about jazz? The original post asked if the clip was jazz no one has heard before. The replies were providing information about the type of jazz in that clip, which is French musette-flavored swing jazz. Ludovic Beier is another accordionist does lovely stuff with this type of jazz. Many accordion players think of chordal Frank Marocco/Van Damme stuff when associating jazz and the accordion. But there's lots of other accordion jazz that is great too. No contest, just information.
 
OuijaBoard said:
No one cares anymore about jazz? The original post asked if the clip was jazz no one has heard before. The replies were providing information about the type of jazz in that clip, which is French musette-flavored swing jazz. Ludovic Beier is another accordionist does lovely stuff with this type of jazz. Many accordion players think of chordal Frank Marocco/Van Damme stuff when associating jazz and the accordion. But there's lots of other accordion jazz that is great too. No contest, just information.
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No one cares about great performances, jazz either. Every "artist" have a hit or trick one or two. People get used to that. You need to work on jazz or classical music to appreciate it. World is evolved into visual things unfortunately because its easier and possible in todays technology. That eliminates deeper things like music, art or philosophy. That resulted a shallow society depending on money only.
 
JerryPH said:
Yeah, that’s some people’s interpretation of what a cinematic video is. The angle changes are disjointed and erratic, the sign of a less e experienced editor. :)
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Yes that, and especially the overuse of various transitions make pro vidiographers and editors cringe. Some of the self-taught clueless think since the editing software includes all those transitions they should use a bunch.

The most widely used transition by the pros is the simple cut and even then must be used wisely with carefully planned camera angles (and timing) or the result can be uncomfortable and distracting.

There are some resources that can help. But if you want a professional video, think about hiring a professional. For someone who wants to learn, consider working for a time with a professional, carry the gear, help set up, man a camera, sit in on the editing. watch and learn.
 
murathan said:
No one cares about great performances, jazz either. Every "artist" have a hit or trick one or two. People get used to that. You need to work on jazz or classical music to appreciate it. World is evolved into visual things unfortunately because its easier and possible in todays technology. That eliminates deeper things like music, art or philosophy. That resulted a shallow society depending on money only.
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Fortunately music appreciation still exists on the local level, judging from today’s farmers market (where fresh, local produce is also appreciated), and I was asked to play another Oktoberfest party. That time of year again where even I will play the Chicken Dance.
 
Tom said:
Fortunately music appreciation still exists on the local level, judging from today’s farmers market (where fresh, local produce is also appreciated), and I was asked to play another Oktoberfest party. That time of year again where even I will play the Chicken Dance.
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Simple - Intermediate music always catch the audience. I personally believe accordion is mostly for that purpose. Not everyone thinks like that but if you want to be a lot sophisticated, you probably think of piano / harpsichord in a concert hall. Some high end players brought the accordion to concert halls. It worked moderately in accordion loving audiences such as Russia and France.
 
JKJ said:
Yes that, and especially the overuse of various transitions make pro vidiographers and editors cringe. Some of the self-taught clueless think since the editing software includes all those transitions they should use a bunch.

The most widely used transition by the pros is the simple cut and even then must be used wisely with carefully planned camera angles (and timing) or the result can be uncomfortable and distracting.

There are some resources that can help. But if you want a professional video, think about hiring a professional. For someone who wants to learn, consider working for a time with a professional, carry the gear, help set up, man a camera, sit in on the editing. watch and learn.
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I've kinda spent a lot of time watching the pros... like major motion films and how they use it. It's all about contnuity... but take note of this, the average clip time in a movie is rarely over 10 seconds. The problem with that in MUSIC videos is that some think that if 10 second clips in movies works, 3-5 second clips in music videos work... and it doesn't, and mostly (but NOT always) even 10 second clips are too short.

There is a huge difference in attention spans and what the watcher is paying attention to, and I would like to think that in music videos, where someone has the opportunity to watch something for 3-4 minutes (length of the average song), that too many cuts breaks it even easier than if the content is 90 min long.

Of course, more important than the cut is the cut TO WHAT and if it looks disjointed, its because you are cutting to the wrong angle, just my opinion of course... I am no expert, I just play one on an accordion forum... LOL. :)
 
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