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I guess you helped out the tone quality with some great microphones, reverb, and the like.
The processing was just for getting an accurate impression of what it sounds like (just ask film people how much work a "no makeup" makeup is). Here is unprocessed audio (probably works best with headphones or proper stereo equipment):
 
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The processing was just for getting an accurate impression of what it sounds like (just ask film people how much work a "no makeup" makeup is). Here is unprocessed audio (probably works best with headphones or proper stereo equipment):
@EdBouchard

Bah. I should not have created and uploaded this while on a conference where I wasn't able to proofhear with either headphones or non-trivial volume what I did. I used the wrong argument order on my call of the `ffmpeg` utility and replaced the audio with, well, what was there before. Sorry for that.

I have now uploaded a version actually containing the clean audio and have edited the link in the post above to point to that version.
 
Very nice playing. Although, my subjective response is that the tone quality of the free bass tends to be harsh. As a result, I wouldn’t enjoy practicing on it. That at least was my experience with the Moschino free bass I purchased some decades ago. I did very mush like the free bass tone quality of the Giulietti I briefly tried back then. In contrast, I very much like the tone quality of free bass instruments made after 2000 or so. I no longer have my acoustic accordion. A friend has it. He may post something on YouTube soon. I’ll let you know when he does.
 
Although, my subjective response is that the tone quality of the free bass tends to be harsh. As a result, I wouldn’t enjoy practicing on it.
Sigh. As I said, the purpose of the processed recording was to give an adequate representation of what the instrument sounds like. But you considered it non-representative. The Røde NT1A is a "brilliant" large frame condenser that puts a bit much emphasis on the upper range. I can give the unprocessed rendition of the small diaphragm condensers instead: those are fairly accurate but of course don't provide an accurate balance (and more like a dual mono than a stereo rendition) due to the placement.

As I said, in LM the sound of the non-bass notes is brassy on the left side (the first repetition of the second part is played in that mode). Not all registers sound the same which is kind of the point of registers.


It may well be that my instrument is not suitable for people with delicate hearing, but I can reasonably survive practising without using earplugs.
 
My apologies Dak! What I do want to emphasize is that the free bass accordion is a totally new instrument. As did the piano in the 19th-century, it is undergoing refinement. My experience is that the instruments made post 2000 or so have tonal characteristics that are more pleasing to my ear. Below is a 2021 YouTube video of Frederich Lips that alludes to why.
I had a Russian made bayan that sounded wonderful. Unfortunately it seemed to always need to go to the shop for repairs. I eventually sold it from a young person who was studying accordion repair and wanted to learn bayan. Right now I’m practicing on a Roland Fr4xb. Am impressed with what a good job Roland did in making their v accordion line.
Maybe I’ll post something soon on what I’m practicing. I’m not sure about how to do the lighting and microphone setup. I mainly would record/video with my iPad or Android phone. Any suggestions on how to make a video with minimal quality gear.
 
What I do want to emphasize is that the free bass accordion is a totally new instrument.
How do you define "free bass accordion"? A unisonoric chromatic hand bellows instrument with single notes left and right? Kusserow bandionions were first built in 1903. A traditional C bass instrument with 2-row baritone basses (the low bass octave was only on Stradella; the "baritone" basses were taken exclusively from the chord reeds) was built by Venanzio Morino for Maurice Thöni, and Thöni went touring with it in 1919 (together with Antonio Piccoli).

For piano accordion players, Morino also constructed a two-row free bass in piano key arrangement (with the "white" keys in one row inward from the Stradella basses and the "black" keys in the innermost row with the expected gaps making for alternating groups of 3 and 2 "black" buttons, in "rotated" order like the piano players' left hands would be used to playing). Again we are talking about the 1920s here. As a series model, Hohner No 5555 had 41 piano keys in the right hand and 2 added free bass rows of buttons in the left hand (and could be ordered from 1932 on).

Attached are the specs of a 1934 Hohner-time free bass (on top of Stradella) instrument designed by Morino with a variable chord octave in the Stradella bass.

I have an accordion piece collection published in 1933 by Schott&Söhne that has several pieces suggesting the use of free bass ("Baritonbässe") in the left hand where available.

In the final Morino Artiste D series designed by Morino himself, the Artiste IX D and Artiste X D (with 5 and 6 Stradella row basses in addition to 3 free bass rows) were available from 1952, but you definitely could order these kinds of instruments earlier as well.

So I am not quite on the same page as you with regard to "totally new".
 

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Maybe I’ll post something soon on what I’m practicing. I’m not sure about how to do the lighting and microphone setup. I mainly would record/video with my iPad or Android phone. Any suggestions on how to make a video with minimal quality gear.
Wasn't the FR4xb able to record to USB stick directly? It doesn't get better than that when using the FR4xb. You can then record a video any way you like and use its audio track for synchronizing the track from the USB stick. With the video above, I didn't bother switching the "real" video light on. After all, it was supposed to be an audio sketch.

If you are recording an acoustic accordion, just using the built-in microphone(s) of your Android phone may work for representing the sound: the ultra-small membranes lead to a significant level of hiss at comparatively high tonal accuracy, but an accordion is not a quiet instrument, so while actively playing, the noise level should not be all that terrible even if you don't get CD quality.
 
Wasn't the FR4xb able to record to USB stick directly? It doesn't get better than that when using the FR4xb. You can then record a video any way you like and use its audio track for synchronizing the track from the USB stick. With the video above, I didn't bother switching the "real" video light on. After all, it was supposed to be an audio sketch.

If you are recording an acoustic accordion, just using the built-in microphone(s) of your Android phone may work for representing the sound: the ultra-small membranes lead to a significant level of hiss at comparatively high tonal accuracy, but an accordion is not a quiet instrument, so while actively playing, the noise level should not be all that terrible even if you don't get CD quality.
I no longer have an acoustic accordion. Teaching myself button accordion on the Fr4x. Never tried to record anything off it. Wasn’t aware of the ability to record the sound with a USB stick. I guess I could figure out how to use my Android phone and/or iPad to simultaneously record a video. Next I would need to then find software and learn how to sync the audio from the USB stick. I’m up for the challenge.
 
How do you define "free bass accordion"? A unisonoric chromatic hand bellows instrument with single notes left and right? Kusserow bandionions were first built in 1903. A traditional C bass instrument with 2-row baritone basses (the low bass octave was only on Stradella; the "baritone" basses were taken exclusively from the chord reeds) was built by Venanzio Morino for Maurice Thöni, and Thöni went touring with it in 1919 (together with Antonio Piccoli).

For piano accordion players, Morino also constructed a two-row free bass in piano key arrangement (with the "white" keys in one row inward from the Stradella basses and the "black" keys in the innermost row with the expected gaps making for alternating groups of 3 and 2 "black" buttons, in "rotated" order like the piano players' left hands would be used to playing). Again we are talking about the 1920s here. As a series model, Hohner No 5555 had 41 piano keys in the right hand and 2 added free bass rows of buttons in the left hand (and could be ordered from 1932 on).

Attached are the specs of a 1934 Hohner-time free bass (on top of Stradella) instrument designed by Morino with a variable chord octave in the Stradella bass.

I have an accordion piece collection published in 1933 by Schott&Söhne that has several pieces suggesting the use of free bass ("Baritonbässe") in the left hand where available.

In the final Morino Artiste D series designed by Morino himself, the Artiste IX D and Artiste X D (with 5 and 6 Stradella row basses in addition to 3 free bass rows) were available from 1952, but you definitely could order these kinds of instruments earlier as well.

So I am not quite on the same page as you with regard to "totally new".
I know you are probably right. However, when Russians like Frederich Lips began working with bayan makers, to my ears, the instrument began sounding a whole lot better. Lips credits Mogens Ellegaard with doing the same at Pigini. I tried out a few ‘experimental’ free bass options in the late 1960s-early 1970s, including: Vince Geraci’s marvelous Bell accordion, a Khuel system, a quint system, a Giulietti similar to the Morino you play, and the Moschino system.
The fact that so many of the fine accordion players of the 50s, 60s, and 70s switched to piano tells me that they may have had a similar response. Galliano plays stradella.
There are now many wonderful free bass bayan and piano accordion players, including in Europe, Great Britain, the Ukraine, Canada. But in jazz, we are still waiting on a player to do what Toots Theilemans did for Harmonica.
With the tonal characteristics of accordions today, so much more can be done with the interplay of voices twixt treble and free bass keyboards. It’s exciting!
 
Galliano plays stradella.
@EdBouchard I am afraid you are perhaps a little mistaken about Richard Galliano. He does not limit himself only to Stradella bass. Galliano is famous for playing Quint free bass accordion.

Ed, here's some examples for your cogitation and enjoyment:

Bach's Cello Suite (Prelude) for left hand solo:


Bach Contrapunctus I
 
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I no longer have an acoustic accordion. Teaching myself button accordion on the Fr4x.
So even the purported improvements in free bass accordions happening since the 1960s weren't enough to make you enjoy the practice on acoustic instruments. My own leanings have led me in a different direction: I feel cramped by the lack of fine phrasing control the digital accordions are showing so far: with regard to phrasing like an acoustic accordion, button/key velocity is a less important metric (except for button noise) than tracking button/key depression depth. And so far the chosen key sensors don't provide that information.

Of course you can use digital settings for balancing left/right overall, but when you want to work on individual notes, the digital path is closed.
 
@EdBouchard I am afraid you are perhaps a little mistaken about Richard Galliano. He does not limit himself only to Stradella bass. Galliano is famous for playing Quint free bass accordion.

Ed, here's some examples for your cogitation and enjoyment:

Bach's Cello Suite (Prelude) for left hand solo:


Bach Contrapunctus I

Thanks! I should have known that. Mainly i was familiar with Galliano’s magnificent work when in an ensemble.
 
So even the purported improvements in free bass accordions happening since the 1960s weren't enough to make you enjoy the practice on acoustic instruments. My own leanings have led me in a different direction: I feel cramped by the lack of fine phrasing control the digital accordions are showing so far: with regard to phrasing like an acoustic accordion, button/key velocity is a less important metric (except for button noise) than tracking button/key depression depth. And so far the chosen key sensors don't provide that information.

Of course you can use digital settings for balancing left/right overall, but when you want to work on individual notes, the digital path is closed.
I must have miscommunicated. From about 2008 to mid-2022, I played on an acoustic PA with a converter free bass (C-system). I joined some ensembles (Klezmer and Jazz Manouche). I practiced diligently. Got to the place where I could play a few JS Bach Inventions and Sinfonias. I very, very much loved the sound of my instrument. It was made by Castagnari. Was told they only made two of them. One was for a nephew who was about to begin music school in Italy. The other wound up in my mid-western USA city at an accordion maker’s retail store.
Unfortunately, at age 80, osteoarthritis in my hand had a toll on my ability to use a thumb on a keyboard. I gave my acoustic PA to an old friend. He’s a multi-instrumentalist and a professor of music, heading the jazz department. He had previously borrowed my Moschino free bass for a couple recordings he made (but didn’t use the free bass on them). I’ll post the link below. My friend played all the instrumentals and was the sound engineer on the recordings.
He’s now had the Castagnari for a couple years. I hope he’ll post something on it sometime soon to his YouTube channel.
At first, I found a quite nice sounding Russian-made bayan (so B-system in both hands). Got it from a Russian immigre, didn’t have a label. Was told it was made in Tula. While the tone was more than satisfactory, it seemed always to have to be sent to the shop for one minor repair after another. So I eventually replaced it with the Roland Fr4xb. Again, that instrument was already configured like a bayan. I’ve left it that way. I’m pleased with what a good job Roland did in making a musically responsive instrument. Of course, a fine acoustic like my old Castagnari sounds much, much better.
 
Exams, why not?, if that's what floats your boat. Best wishes to anybody going for them.
I did Trinity grade 1 about a dozen years ago now. I learnt that I know more than I thought I did, that I was better player than some said and that I should trust myself more than other peoples perceptions and comments. I looked at the music for the next level and decided I didn't like it and didn't want to spend my time learning to play stuff I didn't like, however beneficial new technique may be in the future. These days I only really play Bal Folk on the accordion. I play some straightforward old timey/bluegrassy US tunes on my mandolins, and I'm now learning country blues and fingerstyle on the guitar. Bet your life that Doc Watson or Mississippi Fred McDowell never took an exam. ( Or did they?)
 
Exams, why not?, if that's what floats your boat. Best wishes to anybody going for them.
I did Trinity grade 1 about a dozen years ago now. I learnt that I know more than I thought I did, that I was better player than some said and that I should trust myself more than other peoples perceptions and comments. I looked at the music for the next level and decided I didn't like it and didn't want to spend my time learning to play stuff I didn't like, however beneficial new technique may be in the future. These days I only really play Bal Folk on the accordion. I play some straightforward old timey/bluegrassy US tunes on my mandolins, and I'm now learning country blues and fingerstyle on the guitar. Bet your life that Doc Watson or Mississippi Fred McDowell never took an exam. ( Or did they?)
I've tried practicing scales, inversions and arpeggios. Without an exam, I didn't do it with enough discipline. Having a deadline for an exam made me play these much more diligently. I can now say thati know these scales really well.

College education is usually evaluated by showing examples of successful people who didn't have formal education. For music we do this for evaluating the value of a teacher or taking exams. There will always be exceptions or outliers. The real question is how many people can learn as effectively with (or without) teachers or exams. A structured way to learn definitely has benefits. Is it the only possible way? Definitely not.


Congratulations breezy! Yet again you inspire us with your dedication to the accordion!

Thank you very much!
 
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