Badinerie again. But this time with my teacher's UPG

[breezybellows]

If you play a designated flute piece with a flute patch, the results will be viewed in comparison to a flute. That's kind of the point of that choice, isn't it?

Not necessarily. It can still sound good while being similar but not indistinguishable.

There are so many different types of flutes and different playing styles as well.

 

[dak]

Not necessarily. It can still sound good while being similar but not indistinguishable.

So when someone posts, say, a thread called "Digital Accordion cover - Live flute duet", any association with flutes is a weird erratic cognitive lapse of the audience that is entirely their own fault? You'll have a hard time selling that one. Not admitting that comparison after having invited it will make it grumpy.

 

[breezybellows]

So when someone posts, say, a thread called "Digital Accordion cover - Live flute duet", any association with flutes is a weird erratic cognitive lapse of the audience that is entirely their own fault? You'll have a hard time selling that one. Not admitting that comparison after having invited it will make it grumpy.

Comparisons are welcome, but insisting on a narrow viewpoint misses the creative intent. My digital accordion with flute sounds isn't a real flute, but rather a digital rendition. Embracing creativity doesn't mean forsaking accuracy; it means exploring new possibilities.

Insisting that a digital rendition of an acoustic instrument should be indistinguishable from the original instrument is definitely "a weird erratic cognitive lapse that is ones own fault".

 

[dak]

Comparisons are welcome, but insisting on a narrow viewpoint misses the creative intent. My digital accordion with flute sounds isn't a real flute, but rather a digital rendition.

Nope. It is a digital reproduction. A rendition would be an analog circuit or an acoustic accordion register or an organ pipe named "flute". And it's not like you add any distortion or effects or intentional distortion to make it less flutish, and you pick a quintessential flute piece.

I stick with my opinion that your "creative intent" of this not being supposed to be held to flute metrics will be a hard sell. It may help to put up a sign "This is not a pipe."

 

[breezybellows]

Nope. It is a digital reproduction. A rendition would be an analog circuit or an acoustic accordion register or an organ pipe named "flute". And it's not like you add any distortion or effects or intentional distortion to make it less flutish, and you pick a quintessential flute piece.

I stick with my opinion that your "creative intent" of this not being supposed to be held to flute metrics will be a hard sell. It may help to put up a sign "This is not a pipe."

I find the condescending tone of these comments unnecessary. My intention was clear in titling the video "Digital accordion cover - flute duet" to highlight the resemblance to a flute. While it's understood that it's a digital reproduction, likening it to a rendition isn't entirely accurate either, as renditions can encompass various forms of interpretation, not strictly limited to analog circuits or acoustic instruments. As for your insistence on "flute metrics," I disagree.

Also, I'm not the one being grumpy here. You made your comments and no one was grumpy. The response was that there are other perspectives. If you chose to be grumpy, be my guest.

Some more examples of things that can help draw the line between association and cognitive dissonance.

	Association and Comparison	Cognitive Dissonance
Lawn made of artificial grass.	Designing colors and blades that look like grass to give a similar aesthetic	Complaining that you are not able to chew the grass.
Electric Fireplace	Keeping you warm with the visuals of fire.	"Thats not fire until I can roast marshmallows"
Artificial Christmas tree	Using it to celebrate christmas	"Its not a christmas tree until it smells like one"
Ocean Breeze Air Freshener	Scent reminiscent of Ocean Breeze	Where is the ocean? There's no Breeze.

My "rendition" serves its purpose as a creative expression, not a perfect emulation of a flute. Your narrow definition doesn't dictate the boundaries of artistic interpretation. Let's appreciate the comparison without forcing unrealistic expectations onto it. While I didn't actively make it sound less like a flute, I have no intentions to make it sound exactly as a flute would. A similar sound that resembles the flute to some degree is what I'd like to get.

I'm here to share my music and progress and I've spent enough time arguing about irrelevant topics. I like what I do and I will continue taking suggestions that I find fit. If its a hard sell for you, Newsflash: "You don't have to buy it".

I don't wish to discuss further on this topic.

 

[Rodney]

My teacher Joe Natoli programmed a new user program for this Bach music. He actually gave me a second setting as well that adds a harpsichord for the second section. I haven't gotten used to smoothly applying the chin switch yet. So I've only used the first one.

I am very impressed with this sound. Especially the balance between the Cello and the Flute. What do you think?

Such beautiful tones, can they be purchased?

 

[breezybellows]

Such beautiful tones, can they be purchased?

I can email you. I think they should work on FR-8x and Bugari Evo.

 

[Dingo40]

I don't wish to discuss further on this topic.

Right on!
This topic has been adequately aired for the context and to labour it further would probably be unproductive to say the least.
Everyone's had more than a fair turn.
After all, this is a forum for mostly amateur musicians not a doctoral thesis dissertation.
Let's all move on and be happy!

 

[John M]

Such beautiful tones, can they be purchased?

I am not sure the source of these tones, but Richard Noel's User Programs are fantastic and give a "new life"/sound to the EVO and Roland 8X.

 

[breezybellows]

I am not sure the source of these tones, but Richard Noel's User Programs are fantastic and give a "new life"/sound to the EVO and Roland 8X.

Richard has the largest selection of UPGs being sold. They are great. Also check out the ones sold by Michael Bridge.

This particular one was made by my teacher Joe Natoli

 

[Rodney]

I am not sure the source of these tones, but Richard Noel's User Programs are fantastic and give a "new life"/sound to the EVO and Roland 8X.

I agree and use them every day on my 8x.

 

[JerryPH]

I can email you. I think they should work on FR-8x and Bugari Evo.

It should work fine, the internal structures are the same, the only 2 things to do is to possibly rename the extension and if they show an error, may need to be remapped using the 8X editor.