Converting a Roland FR3xb from C system to B system

[Pipemajor]

Hi all,
I have a strange problem.
I recently mentioned to a fellow cba player that I had a couple of Roland digital accordions and he is most interested in trying one out.
He plays a B system, so I told him the Rolands can play any system C or B, so he came round this afternoon to have a try on a FR3xb.
Yesterday I had checked the manual and changed it over from C to B (I think). It certainly wasn't C system but I didn't bother trying any further. I then changed it back to a C system. All good so far.
So this afternoon he came round and I showed him how they work, using the C system.
I then tried to change it back to a B system, following the instructions in the manual religiously, including saving the settings as per the manual.
However, when trying it out, it was still in C system.
During the course of the afternoon we tried multiple times, including powering off afterwards, performing a factory reset and trying to load a different B system but it always remained in C system, even when reloading the system again, the screen showed the loaded system as already being loaded.
Now this seems to point to the new(B) system not being saved properly, yet we followed the instructions to the letter and the screen shows the current system to be the one we want.
I wonder if any of our resident experts could shed a light on this please.

Further to this, after my friend had left, most dissappointed, I thought I would try changing my FR8xb over to B system, but, try as I might, I just can't find the instructoins for changing it over.
I've searched all through the manual, which shows all the different settings, yet I can't find how to change them.
I also did a search here with no luck and also on the net with the same result.
A most frustrating day

 

[dak]

The manual (at least my old FR-1 one) calls the Finnish variant of the C system (commonly named "G system") "B system (European)". Which is hogwash. What you want in the treble is "B system (Russian)". Considering that the B system originated from the Viennese Schrammelharmonika, this is seriously off-color history.

PostScriptum: I didn't remember quite correctly. The FR-1 manual options are:

C-Griff Europe
C-Griff 2
B-Griff Bajan
B-Griff Fin
D-Griff 1
D-Griff 2

For the FR-1, the procedure to set this is to switch the accordion OFF, press SET and one or two register buttons, then turn the accordion ON while the register buttons are still being pressed.

So it is not really something that happens by accident. I don't have the FR-3xb manual, so I don't know what the procedure is supposed to be there.

 

[Pipemajor]

Thanks dak for your reply.
According to the diagrams in the manual, he identified his system as the B griff bajan which I believe is the most common european system.
We also tried loading the D griff 1 but it still remained on the original C system.
Unfortunately the Roland FR3x manual doesn't list a B system Russian.

 

[Pipemajor]

Update.
My friend just messaged me to say it is now working.
There is a Trn and a TrN edit name and we were using the wrong one.

 

[dak]

Update.
My friend just messaged me to say it is now working.
There is a Trn and a TrN edit name and we were using the wrong one.

That LED display (?) is not the greatest help it would seem, but then it doesn't appear to die like the LCD on the FR-8x (?). The FR-1 has no display at all. It's really cumbersome to do settings, but hard to mess up when you follow instructions.

 

[JerryPH]

Further to this, after my friend had left, most dissappointed, I thought I would try changing my FR8xb over to B system, but, try as I might, I just can't find the instructoins for changing it over.
I've searched all through the manual, which shows all the different settings, yet I can't find how to change them.
I also did a search here with no luck and also on the net with the same result.

Page 100 of the FR-8x manual. All I did was search for b-griff :






Something very similar to this happened to the original owner of my 8X. A guy came in asking if it could do Finnish bass system, and it could, but when they failed to find how the guy left... leaving my 8X to be found and snatched up by me.

 

[brna]

Electronic adjustment is actually the easiest. I had more work moving the black and white buttons. First on the right, then on the left ...

 

[Pipemajor]

Page 100 of the FR-8x manual. All I did was search for b-griff :






Something very similar to this happened to the original owner of my 8X. A guy came in asking if it could do Finnish bass system, and it could, but when they failed to find how the guy left... leaving my 8X to be found and snatched up by me.

Hi Jerry, thanks for your reply.
Yes, I had read those pages till I was blue in the face, but it doesn't actually tell you HOW to change. Lots of info on changing button caps, but nothing that I could see on the steps involved in changing.
The original query was changing an fr3xb from C to B.
We were following the procedure to the letter, except for one significant detail,
We were using TrN instead of Trn. ( or was it the other way round)
It was only when my friend took the Roland fr3 home, along with the manual, he noticed the mistake we were making.
I don't actually want to change my fr8 from C to B.
thanks again.