Crucianelli 41 key 120 bass Pancordion

[pow]

Hello, there is one of the above for sale near me in Santa Monica, CA. I have not driven to see it as of yet. It appears to be in good condition and the fellow sells a number of good accordions. What might be a "common" asking price for this accordion? Thanks!

 

[Dingo40]

Not enough information: number of voices, couplers, keyboard dimensions, pictures?

 

[pow]

Thanks. It's a Pancordion. I don't know the answers to your questions. I'll send some pics when I figure out how to do so.

 

[Tom]

I have one. It is wonderful and highly recommended. One of these days when I get a break from new accordions being given to me I will replace that errant reed.

As Dingo says, there are a million configurations of these, each a different fundamental value. Generally, accordions that are a decent origin are valued on the following 3 things:

1. Condition

2. Condition

3. Condition

Which is impossible to determine without at least pictures, but more realistically visual and aural inspection. Good luck, you are learning and applying your new knowledge. You will do good.

 

[pow]

Thank you for your encouragement. I am learning a bit, and enjoying it.

 

[JerryPH]

I have one. It is wonderful and highly recommended. As Dingo says, there are a million configurations of these, each a different fundamental value. Generally, accordions that are a decent origin are valued on the following 3 things:

1. Condition (external)

2. Condition (internal)

3. Condition (tune)

Which is impossible to determine without at least pictures, but more realistically visual and aural inspection. Good luck, you are learning and applying your new knowledge. You will do good.

Just wanted to add a little salt... lol

 

[Tom]

I'm not sure what Jerry means (must be Canadian idiom ) but he's another one to believe everything he says!

 

[Alan Polivka]

Thanks. It's a Pancordion. I don't know the answers to your questions. I'll send some pics when I figure out how to do so.

While the Crucianelli accordions typically said "Pancordion" on the back, that was just a reference to the importer (Deffner). The important thing is, does it say "Pancordion" on the front or "Crucianelli"? The ones with "Pancordion" on the front were high-end top-pro models, often made with double-riveted "a mano" reeds (e.g., Binci). They sell for quite a bit more than the ones marked Crucianelli on the front. All the ones I've seen marked Crucianelli on the front only had standard "tipo a mano" reeds.

 

[debra]

While the Crucianelli accordions typically said "Pancordion" on the back, that was just a reference to the importer (Deffner). The important thing is, does it say "Pancordion" on the front or "Crucianelli"? The ones with "Pancordion" on the front were high-end top-pro models, often made with double-riveted "a mano" reeds (e.g., Binci). They sell for quite a bit more than the ones marked Crucianelli on the front. All the ones I've seen marked Crucianelli on the front only had standard "tipo a mano" reeds.

I have a Crucianelli "Super Video" with Bugari tipo-a-mano reeds (LMMM, no cassotto). I have also done tuning on a Crucianelli "Baton" with Bugari a-mano reeds (LMMH, LM in cassotto). So Crucianelli certainly did make high-end models with a-mano reeds, but maybe not for the american market.

 

[Alan Polivka]

I have a Crucianelli "Super Video" with Bugari tipo-a-mano reeds (LMMM, no cassotto). I have also done tuning on a Crucianelli "Baton" with Bugari a-mano reeds (LMMH, LM in cassotto). So Crucianelli certainly did make high-end models with a-mano reeds, but maybe not for the american market.

My experience is only with the Crucianelli's marketed here in America (decades ago) by Deffner with "Pancordion" stamped on the back. The ones marked Crucianelli on front were Deffner's lower cost line for those who wanted an accordion that looked like a Pancordion but who couldn't afford it. I suspect that Crucianelli had a different line of models for selling in other countries. I suspect you could also special order a Crucianelli from Deffner with a mano reeds, but I haven't seen any.

 

[danp76]

My experience is only with the Crucianelli's marketed here in America (decades ago) by Deffner with "Pancordion" stamped on the back. The ones marked Crucianelli on front were Deffner's lower cost line for those who wanted an accordion that looked like a Pancordion but who couldn't afford it. I suspect that Crucianelli had a different line of models for selling in other countries. I suspect you could also special order a Crucianelli from Deffner with a mano reeds, but I haven't seen any.

 

[danp76]

I have a Pancordion with double riveted reeds and tone chamber and free bass. My other Pan is a Panjet 45, I think the reeds are hand finished, no chamber with “direct tone” grill. Still not a bad accordion. I don’t see any names on the reeds on either accordion.

 

[Alan Polivka]

I have a Pancordion with double riveted reeds and tone chamber and free bass. My other Pan is a Panjet 45, I think the reeds are hand finished, no chamber with “direct tone” grill. Still not a bad accordion. I don’t see any names on the reeds on either accordion.

I would have expected the Panjet 45 to have "a mano" reeds, but I don't really know too much about that model. You can check yourself to see whether or not they are "a mano" using the instructions below.