Crucianelli Pancordion M20 AGE

[darticus]

Anyone can help with any info about this accordion. Would like to know about this as I bought it and haven't play in 50 years. Gonna give it a try. Anyone know where I can download some nice accordion sheet music. Thanks Ron

 

[nagant27]

Well Ron I am not knowledgeable on that specific accordion, but I am guessing it has 3 treble reed blocks, each dot on the flapper switches representing each one? Seems kind of like a rocker switch on the excelsiors, on and off and in between. I know Pancordion, Baton, Panjets are other models. Is your keyboard a full size 19 or so inches?
Seems like a well made accordion, by a good quality maker, and would be fun to get back into playing. Has it been sitting all those years?

 

[darticus]

Well Ron I am not knowledgeable on that specific accordion, but I am guessing it has 3 treble reed blocks, each dot on the flapper switches representing each one? Seems kind of like a rocker switch on the excelsiors, on and off and in between. I know Pancordion, Baton, Panjets are other models. Is your keyboard a full size 19 or so inches?
Seems like a well made accordion, by a good quality maker, and would be fun to get back into playing. Has it been sitting all those years?

I just bought it used. and it sounds great. It seems to work fine with all its stops. It is a Pancordion and seems nice. Only problem IS my dog is singing with me playing. Is this a good or a bad thing. She is the only one listening and 11 weeks old!Here is a couple more pics. Thanks Ron

 

[JIM D.]

This one should be a 3 reed treble 4 reed bass student model (PANcordion) in the US (Crucianelli) in Europe. Can't tell from the pic' but the keyboard should be 17" or 18". These are still made and of fine construction. Yours will be a late 50's early 60's. These boxes had machine made reeds of very fine quality and should remain in tune. If it has been stored for a long period it will need some leather valve work.

 

[darticus]

This one should be a 3 reed treble 4 reed bass student model (PANcordion) in the US (Crucianelli) in Europe. Cant tell from the pic but the keyboard should be 17 or 18. These are still made and of fine construction. Yours will be a late 50s early 60s. These boxes had machine made reeds of very fine quality and should remain in tune. If it has been stored for a long period it will need some leather valve work.

Thanks for all that info. Its a model M20 but it seems in good condition and seems to play very well. I am wet sanding the white keys very carefully and I need to adjust the height of a couple white keys as they are up a little higher. it looks like keys are 17 3/4 inch. I guess this is full size. Thanks Ron

 

[JIM D.]

A 41 key box is called ( ladies size - 18" ) - here in the US. A 41 key is ( man size or full - 19"). 41 key models of (15" 16" and 17" are called student).
Just a note --- PANcordions were made here in the US in New York, NY up to the late 50's. After that date all production went to Crucianelli in Italy.

 

[darticus]

A 41 key box is called ( ladies size - 18 ) - here in the US. A 41 key is ( man size or full - 19). 41 key models of (15 16 and 17 are called student).

This must be ladies size. It might be lighter but Im old and weaker. Ron

 

[JIM D.]

Nothing wrong with an 18" it's just what fits well, and the correct weight for your stature and age.

 

[darticus]

Nothing wrong with an 18 its just what fits well, and the correct weight for your stature and age.

I only measured the key distance not end to end of the total keyboard. So maybe girllyman. Ron

 

[JIM D.]

PA keyboard size is from white key to white key.

 

[darticus]

PA keyboard size is from white key to white key.

Thanks very much for your info. Ron

 

[debra]

This is an interesting case of what I think is a precursor to the (Italian) Crucianelli Artist which was 4 reeds (LMMM) and used these flap registers.
My younger brother had one of these for a long time (probably from 30 to 15 years ago). The main problem with this type of model and probably also of the pancordion is that the construction of the right hand side blocks the sound too much, and as a result the total sound volume produced is rather limited.
In the image below its the player on the left with the white accordion.
http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/concert02/slides/Image051.jpg>

 

[JIM D.]

Here in the US PANcordions were made here in New York, NY and all models carried the name PANcordion. In the mid 50s the factory was bought by the Deffner firm (Titano) and by the 60s all production was transferred to the Italian firm Crucianelli. When imported here to the US the student models had the Crucianelli badge and Pro models had the PAN badge. In Europe they all had the Crucianelli badge. The US made PANs were of fine construction and all Italian made Crucianelli and PAN models still to today are of the finest construction. Many artistes still prefer and play them today in all venues such as --
Myron Floren always played a PAN model --

 

[darticus]

Here in the US PANcordions were made here in New York, NY and all models carried the name PANcordion. In the mid 50s the factory was bought by the Deffner firm (Titano) and by the 60s all production was transferred to the Italian firm Crucianelli. When imported here to the US the student models had the Crucianelli badge and Pro models had the PAN badge. In Europe they all had the Crucianelli badge. The US made PANs were of fine construction and all Italian made Crucianelli and PAN models still to today are of the finest construction. Many artistes still prefer and play them today in all venues such as --
Myron Floren always played a PAN model --

Thanks so much for the info. This is great maybe I did pay a fair price. Mine has the Crucianelli badge on the front and the Pancordian symbol on the back. Do you think this is a students model? Is there a link to the company and what they sell now? Thanks again Ron

 

[hais1273]

Sometimes our dog get up and leaves the room. Usually she just ignores any instrument, although she isn't keen on the single medium read at squeaky end of the keyboard. The cat always leaves. A singing dog must be a good thing.. Money in the hat!

 

[darticus]

Sometimes our dog get up and leaves the room. Usually she just ignores any instrument, although she isnt keen on the single medium read at squeaky end of the keyboard. The cat always leaves. A singing dog must be a good thing.. Money in the hat!

That sound like a real money maker! Ron

 

[JIM D.]

Your PAN is an 18" student model 3 reed. Models with 4 reed treble with and without Cassotto are considered the Pro models. Although only a 3 reed the quality of your box is excellent and some accordionist's consider these (Semi-Pro). Titano, Sano, Sonola, and Giulietti also made excellent 3 reed models called Semi-Pro. Talented musicians of small stature tend to prefer a quality made 3 reed treble model of LMH or LMM because of the lighter weight. I purchased a 3 reed Titano Stroller at 15 years old and played it professionally for 6 years before switching to a 4 reed Cassotto box for band work with an acoustic and a 4 reed Cordovox accordion/organ for solo work. I joined the musician's union at 15 and the year was 1951 {} (Oh where did the time go) :roll:

 

[JIM D.]

The US distributor is ----
http://www.bussomusic.com/catalog/

 

[nagant27]

Debra-
Are you referring to the grill being solid and it muffles the sound on the treble side? I know it has a couple vents in it, and I seem to remember someone mentioning here it was by careful thought and design. Maybe its like a grill mute effect?

 

[darticus]

Your PAN is an 18 student model 3 reed. Models with 4 reed treble with and without Cassotto are considered the Pro models. Although only a 3 reed the quality of your box is excellent and some accordionists consider these (Semi-Pro). Titano, Sano, Sonola, and Giulietti also made excellent 3 reed models called Semi-Pro. Talented musicians of small stature tend to prefer a quality made 3 reed treble model of LMH or LMM because of the lighter weight. I purchased a 3 reed Titano Stroller at 15 years old and played it professionally for 6 years before switching to a 4 reed Cassotto box for band work with an acoustic and a 4 reed Cordovox accordion/organ for solo work. I joined the musicians union at 15 and the year was 1951 {} (Oh where did the time go) :roll:

What does 3 reed mean. On the treble side the 4 black levers move. three have diamonds and bottom no diamond. Thanks Ron