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FIRST TUNE WITH BASS

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Enjoy playing treble and working through the Bass but had no Idea how hard bringing both together would be but thankyou for the Comment Oldchemist
 
Yep - welcome to the journey... you have to allow the pathways to form & build ...the muscle memories to form... just takes time & perseverance for most people - some, very few, find it comes easily. :sigh: Not me.
 
Well done Donnie.
Good start and not half bad tunes either.
You will come across these again probably in a more complex arrangement.
 
DonnieDubh said:
.....but had no Idea how hard bringing both together would be
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Practice one bar a time and then connect with the next one etc, but concentrate on the phrases that you can’t play if time is limited. Break it down, make “loops” of the problem areas.

BobM.
 
Donnie, A relatively simple way to get the hang of playing both ends at the same time is to use a simple um pa, um pa, rhythm on the bass UM being the bass note and PA being the major chord. Keep time with the foot and its simply UM = foot down, PA = foot up - a sort of built in metronome!

IN the tune twinkle little star there are two um pa's to each bar, where 4 identical value notes are in a bar is an um or a pa on each note, in bars 2, 4, 6 & 8 its um, pa for each of the first 2 notes and um pa for the duration of the last note.

As to which bass/chord notes to play start with C bass & major chord for the 2 um, pa's of the first bar. then F for the first 2 notes of the 2nd bar and C for the longer note. 3rd bar F for first 2 notes and C for 2nd 2 notes , finally G for first 2 notes of 4th bar & C for the long note.

That's all you need to do as the second line comes totally free of charge as its identical to the first line!

george
 
What book is it Donnie? Nice to see the whole chord.
 
Hi sorry have been working I mean more time as in I work 12h shifts rotating between days and nights and have 2 kids who keep me incredibly busy leaving me with a short time at night to practice but manage we must :) .As for the book I was lucky that 1 of the guys at my work who plays a bit had some tutor books that he gave me the other day (SCOTTISH PIANO ACCORDION TUTOR VOL 1 AND 2 ) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/4004...ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=83&ff19=0
AND
FIRST CEILIDH COLLECTION FOR ACCORDION
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIRST-CEI..._MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item5d3ce5d512
All composed by David J Mackenzie
lots of tunes with bass and how to play them has really brought me up another level wish there was a chromatic version :tup:
 
Donnie this is like a carbon copy of me 3 years ago. The MacKenzie books are excellent.

I can well remember actually saying to my wife that my brain was actually feeling exhausted after trying to learn the merrily song.

All Ive ever wanted to play is Scottish tunes and after i mastered the 1st 2 or 3 tunes in the book I jumped to "Lovely Stornoway" and "Morag of Dunvegan"

You're on the verge of jumping a huge hurdle Donnie. Keep at it.

Cheers Stevie :ch
 
I just moved onto SCOTTISH PIANO ACCORDION TUTOR VOL 2 a few months ago, after 2 years on Vol 1. :D

One of the first tunes in Vol 2 is Munchkin Burpin, much loved by our local Ceilidh bands for a Virginia Reel

I have also used a good tip from George Garside of this forum, regarding playing tunes you have already learned, say from Vol 1, but playing them in other keys like G,D and A Major.

If using the 3 chord trick it is simple to bump up the 3 chords by one row at a time on the bass side to suit the G,D and A keys as you play them.

A good book for the bass side only is http://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/music...n-the-complete,david-digiuseppe-9780786660575 , this book has also been mentioned by others on the forum.

Cheers

Robbie
 
Lessons are good in the book trying to find a teacher for some lessons to keep me on the straight and narrow too
 
I must admit, in my impatient rush to be able to play the type of tunes I wanted to play, I negleted to progress much beyond the Fundemental Bass and Major chord.

If a music sheet asks for a counter bass or a minor etc. I invariably just play a fund and a major that sounds right to my ear.
I had to simplyfy the bass side in order to progress at the rate I wanted. I was finding the whole thing too hard.

I'm aware it's no' right but I'm happy enough.
 
Stevie said:
Im aware its no right but Im happy enough.
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Being happy is the most important ingredient of playing - without it the box will get less and less use and will finish up gathering dust in a cupboard!

george :D
 
I would certainly second that comment George.

I had six months of lessons, one a week over last winter and enjoyed them very much.

However you need to be prepared to put the practice in before the next lesson which means being able to lay aside the time, OK for me as I am retired, not so easy if you are working though.

I was very happy with my progress over the six months but would not fancy it over many years in the race for perfection, however it did lay some good foundations and I still practice regularly and enjoy playing, the worst part was the start of the first lesson, not having played in front of anyone before I found it very nerve wracking, you just freeze up :o , however it does get easier as time goes on.

Our local Accordion & Fiddle club has a "Button & Bows" learner section, a sort of feeder for moving up to the main group, which I might go along to this winter ( I need to get a hold of some of the stuff they play first just to see if its do-able).
I will be joining the "Back row boys", they are all about my age and have no intention of moving up to anything, they all go along to the ceilidh dances so the craic will be good. :D


Cheers
Bob
 
george garside said:
Stevie said:
Im aware its no right but Im happy enough.
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Being happy is the most important ingredient of playing - without it the box will get less and less use and will finish up gathering dust in a cupboard!

george :D
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Yeah, I know exactly what you mean George. Initially I wanted to do everything correctly,Id had 10 lessons from a top teacher but was getting very frustrated by the difficulty of the base side, probably to the extent that I might have packed it in.

I remember watching Fergie MacDonald (the ceilidh king) playing in a local bar, and he only had 12 base buttons on his button box and I thought, if 12 is enough for Fergie, then Im not going base exploring anymore !

If a tune really needs it I can manage an occasional fundamental and 7th but I stick to FCGDAEB funds and majors.
 
Totally agree Stevie I haven't seen Fergie play much Ambiance Musettiennen so prob not much need lol
 
DonnieDubh said:
Totally agree Stevie I havent seen Fergie play much Ambiance Musettiennen so prob not much need lol
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:lol: Aye, thats how I feel Donnie.

And heres me sitting with a 120 base box and I only use 14 of the bases !
 
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