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Hello and thoughts on buying online

Well, if you get on with the system and your interest in the system holds (not guaranteed, and it takes time to know), and Classical remains what you want to use it for, you'd probably eventually want at least a 96-bass. But for starting
out and since you do mention weight, I'd go with a Hohner Nova ll 60A. Four rows, 2 voices, and all scale notes represented in the basses albeit not with the repeating "wraparounds" you start getting at 96 bass instruments. Ample treble notes for you to go pretty far in learning scales, arpeggios, and music and get an idea of whether it's a good fit before getting in deeper with a bigger, heavier Italian instrument.

That is a small, light 2-voice MM model designed for students with collaboration of one of the French CBA pedagogues. Buy it new and so long as there are no cracks, damage, or big issues take it to a local tech near you to have any small setup tweaks or fine tuning that may be needed. It has a switch for a dry single-reed concertina-ish sound but you could also have a tech thin the 2-voice MM setting to make the musette drier if you wanted.

I learned on one that's now 20 years old. Its admittedly flimsy parts didn't start needing repair or replacement until about year 12. You'd know long before that if classical CBA was for you and worth the investment of upgrading. Myself, I use CBA for folk/trad, not classical, and tbh for tchunes find the small Hohner Novas almost as good as the small but way pricier 2-voice Italian CBAs in the same size, such as the whoppingly expensive Saltarelle Chaville. Naturally for Classical if you find CBA a good fit you'd eventually be upgrading and might be considering a freebass or converter model.

Which reminds me --there is also the Hohner Nova l 49F. Specifically for classical students. One single voice like an accordion reeded concertina, and 2 octaves of single note freebasses. You could do a lot of learning and have plenty of time to assess whether it's a good fit and research upgrade options.


 
Regrettably CBA tends to run quite a bit pricier than bisonoric/diatonic button accordions or PAs of similar specs in terms of basses/reed set voices, treble notes, etc. A small 60-bass Italian 2-voice MM PA might cost similarly to your 2-voice MM Dinn ll, but a small Italian 60-bass MM CBA will be more.

Used might be another option--there is an 80-bass 2-voice MM Cavagnolo CBA model that often pops up used. Bigger than the Novas I discussed above. The Cavagnolo "Junior." Lots of used Italian and French made CBAs on France's Craigslist equivalent, but you really want an advisor for buying that way.

Here is a used Cavagnolo at a US dealer to give an idea of the model. They also have a used Serenellini at the moment. Many here would see options like these as preferable to the Asian-made Hohner Novas:



 
Thank you for that. Makes sense what your said about the weight distribution. I won't ever have to worry about an 18kg box at least but I might tone up my arms a little on an 11kg.
I hear what you're saying about the possibly poor quality reeds being in the budget end of their range.I 'm not sure how I'd find out about that. The only video of a similar box that I saw was made by a shop trying to sell it so they're hardly going to say anything unflattering about it. If anybody can add to that I'd love to hear.
 
If anybody can add to that I'd love to hear.
One of my accordions is a late 1960s, second hand mid-range Zero Sette made (Giulietti branded) PA .
I've owned it since the late 1970s and it's never had any problems of any kind whatsoever .
Of course, "one swallow does not a summer make ", but I've been very impressed with it!🙂
 
What do you think?
Zero Sette Chromatic C Griff Accordion, Castelfidardo. 3 Voice,Stradella system.
87 treble buttons (46 playing notes) - 120 bass buttons
5 treble - 3 bass registers
3/5 sets HF reeds LMM +15
24.5 lbs (11.1 kg).
Zero sette: good maker.
5 treble rows of buttons: for convenience of fingering, a plus.
C griff: the one with the most readily available instructors and teaching materials in English.
LMM: good usable selection.
HF: hand finished reeds. Excellent compromise for a beginner.
11.1kg: it's not a "flimsy toy". 😄
🙂
 
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I like the look of the Cavagnolo. It might be a great beginner's instrument, and priced right, if you don't think you need a 5-row. I play a 4-row, which is very common for French accordions. You have all the notes in the first three rows, the additional rows are duplicate "helpers" for more fingering options. You can probably find more accordions like this for sale in France.

Note that the Serenellini has a flat keyboard, not stepped as is more common for CBAs. My understanding is that they are not much different to play, but I would hesitate to buy one.
 
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I am beginner of B system convertor. I love B more than C because there are more beginner material of B than C. Many of them are with fingering mark.

absolutely free

some are free (go support Mr. Volodymyr Kurylenko)
 
Daddylongles.com has a few really clear lessons in B and he's from the UK
That is one person. However, the majority (but not all) of CBA players in western Europe play C system, so how can there be fewer resources? B is more popular in eastern Europe.

The B and C layouts are mirror images of each other. Most people choose whatever is most popular in their geographic area and for which they can find instruments for sale and teachers.
 
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That is one person. However, the majority (but not all) of CBA players in western Europe play C system, so how can there be fewer resources? B is more popular in eastern Europe.

The B and C layouts are mirror images of each other. Most people choose whatever is most popular in their geographic area and for which they can find instruments for sale and teachers.
Sure, I agree with you. There are very few B system accordions to be found in this part of Europe but for some reason I keep stumbling across Lessons on that system. Perhaps it's because that's what I was looking for in the first place. 😂
 
Doing a quick survey of classical accordion music on YouTube, it is easy to get the impression that the majority seem to be playing B system. However, this may be because the accordion is more popular as an instrument for classical music in eastern Europe. I don't think one should conclude from this that C system is not appropriate for classical music. As an example, here is a young lady playing La Campanella by Paganini and Liszt on the C system.
 
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I play C system and must say there was plenty of tutorials to be found....alas mostly in french...
Nowadays though YouTube has advanced so much...you can switch on auto generated sub titles and have them translated too.....so seems anything possible these times...
But there is something valuable in "learning the hard way" so perhaps just trust yourself and "dig in and dig deep"....
I'm self taught on C system and no one sounds like me....wether that's good or bad is subjective.. but I'm happy to not have just popped out of the mold as such...
Guitar players used to say the same three decades ago....🤣
 
But there is something valuable in "learning the hard way" so perhaps just trust yourself and "dig in and dig deep"....
I'm self taught on C system and no one sounds like me....wether that's good or bad is subjective.. but I'm happy to not have just popped out of the mold as such...
I also taught myself C system. I had already played piano accordion, so I knew the left hand side. To learn the new right hand, I simply placed a diagram of the keyboard on a music stand next to some sheet music and started the slow process of learning the keyboard. I made a point of playing only by feel and avoided looking at my hands.

Since that time, I have become aware of online and written instruction for the C system. The fingering recommendations in this material is often different from what I use. Is my self-taught technique good or bad, who knows? I find that different teachers recommend different fingering.

For a beginner who has little musical experience, a teacher may be the most efficient way of progressing, if you can find one.
 
Whoever in Castelfidardo is currently producing accordions under the Paolo Soprani marque is making some nice instruments at fair prices (at least for new Italian product, which is pricey regardless). Their CBA models are dubbed the "Internazionale" models. They come in a full 120 bass and a 96-bass. I like the 96, myself. Here is an array in both sizes, 3-voice and 4-voice:



Caveat: The "E. Soprani" marque is Asian-made instruments along the lines of the Hohner Novas. Supposedly QC'd and checked over in Italy., They might (or might not) be okay to learn on, you just don't want to buy one under the misimpression you're getting Italian construction.
 
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