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High reed vs three middles revisited

… and then there those who theorize that digital accordions will excite the kids and make them want to play accordion in any form. I find that the excitement is short-lived. There is this flash of admiration for the player, but when the player is interviewed and confesses that yes, they had to put in work (argh!) to play that way, you can guess what happens .

There is, however, one bright spot in the form of a class in an elementary school in the New York City school system. There is an actual need for the donation of two twelve-bass accordions to this class as posted by a professional accordionist on Facebook. Will something come of this? Stay tuned …
 
Yup, this discussion comes up every 7.486 months and I love it! We always remember too that there are no role models for the mass popular audience. (Virtually) no accordions in pop music. Plenty of young texmex and zydeco players, but in New York, Chicago, Gary, Indiana? As they say, fuggeddaboutit!
 
Like this Deep Purple cover where Jon Lord is replaced by an accordion.
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hehehe.. on acoustic my fave to run with was "Strange kind of Woman"
because the left hand can be strong with the rhythm and hook
but of course i learned "Hush" note for note on the Tube Type Cordovox
and after i had the CG-V and the Wah Wah pedal i figured out how to
use it as an envelope filter and that was the enabler for "Tuesday Afernoon"
 
Like this Deep Purple cover where Jon Lord is replaced by an accordion.

hehehe.. on acoustic my fave to run with was "Strange kind of Woman"
because the left hand can be strong with the rhythm and hook
but of course i learned "Hush" note for note on the Tube Type Cordovox
and after i had the CG-V and the Wah Wah pedal i figured out how to
use it as an envelope filter and that was the enabler for "Tuesday Afernoon"
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… and then there those who theorize that digital accordions will excite the kids and make them want to play accordion in any form. I find that the excitement is short-lived. There is this flash of admiration for the player, but when the player is interviewed and confesses that yes, they had to put in work (argh!) to play that way, you can guess what happens .
You have it similar with electronic keyboards as well as arrangers. They can do a whole lot but you still need to play them. A few weeks, and the thing is sitting there. An acoustic accordion/piano/harmonium/violin/guitar... has the advantage that you have a physical connection to what comes out. You need to work it, but it's not arbitrary. You are constrained, but to a consistent universe. I think that makes a difference to how you can feel at home with an instrument.
 
What i have read and heard about from accordion people is that, high reeds, as in lmmh are less popular these days than lmmm.

In areas where the playing is for dance-derived roots or traditional folk music, there is a strong history of the so-called "true musette" or MMM sound in the musical genre, and as at least an option in the accordion registers. That goes for French, Irish/Scottish, Tex-Mex, and more. Over the decades MMM came to be looked down on, and there was a move to thinner tremolo or musette, or even to dry tunings with no MMM.

But MMM as an element in some of these music traditions hasn't disappeared. Actually, very recently some players in the Celtic genres seem to be getting back into MMM as a sound option. If you play world music such as French musette or Irish or Scottish and you're motivated to lug around a 4-voice, there's little use for an H reed, whereas it's cool have the choice of going MMM or MM whenever you feel like it. (Cajun it's different--Cajun one-row bisonorics have an H reed in the arsenal, but they are kind of sui generis because they are tuned differently from strict concert pitch, and fiddles have to tune to the accordion because of this.)

I recently saw a blurb on a post by an accordion dealer in the UK that purveys to a lot of Irish and Scottish players, noting that of late there's been a lot of interest in using the MMM to have two MM 2-voice choices tuned sharp in different degrees of wetness. So, the player might set one at MM +7, or even MM +4 for that "dry swing" currently in vogue with some Irish or Scotth players. And then set the other one at MM +10 or +12. And use them together MMM (all in tune with each other, of course), when you want a stronger voice.

But very recently, the LMMH option seems to be having a "moment" or a resurgence, and not only in the high-end classical or jazz use, 25 to 30-pound cassotto realm. It's currently not unusual to see non-cassotto, more general purpose boxes offered in stock by dealers in two configrations, LMMH or LMMM. Personally, I don't believe any listener or audience member would know or care one iota whether the player has an H reed their sound, but the H reed is kind of "back" at the moment.

I was recently watching a pair of gorgeous 37/96 Scandallis in "olive ash" wood at Liberty for a while, a pair of siblings offered in LMMM and LMMH. It was kind of fantasy porn, as I don't want a 19-pound 4-voice, but if I did, those were the stuff. I just saw the LMMM has vanished and the LMMH is the last one standing. Make of that what you will. For the record, I would have gone for the LMMM too. I love a thinner MMM, say, -7/+9 or 10.
 
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The top end CBA returning to the scene!
...and a cover band creating better results than the originals.
Add: competent sound engineers, too.
The accordion can fill in a good part musically of what you'd use a Hammond organ for, and your roadies will love you for it. Probably works better for rock than pop as a core instrument, but it will be "atmospheric filler" for pop as well.

Like this Deep Purple cover where Jon Lord is replaced by an accordion.

It is not often that I want to listen to a whole set of this kind, but boy-oh-boy did this bunch really pull me in.
 
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In areas where the playing is for dance-derived roots or traditional folk music, there is a strong history of the so-called "true musette" or MMM sound in the musical genre, and as at least an option in the accordion registers. That goes for French, Irish/Scottish, Tex-Mex, and more. Over the decades MMM came to be looked down on, and there was a move to thinner tremolo or musette, or even to dry tunings with no MMM.

But MMM as an element in some of these music traditions hasn't disappeared. Actually, very recently some players in the Celtic genres seem to be getting back into MMM as a sound option. If you play world music such as French musette or Irish or Scottish and you're motivated to lug around a 4-voice, there's little use for an H reed, whereas it's cool have the choice of going MMM or MM whenever you feel like it. (Cajun it's different--Cajun one-row bisonorics have an H reed in the arsenal, but they are kind of sui generis because they are tuned differently from strict concert pitch, and fiddles have to tune to the accordion because of this.)

I recently saw a blurb on a post by an accordion dealer in the UK that purveys to a lot of Irish and Scottish players, noting that of late there's been a lot of interest in using the MMM to have two MM 2-voice choices tuned sharp in different degrees of wetness. So, the player might set one at MM +7, or even MM +4 for that "dry swing" currently in vogue with some Irish or Scotth players. And then set the other one at MM +10 or +12. And use them together MMM (all in tune with each other, of course), when you want a stronger voice.

But very recently, the LMMH option seems to be having a "moment" or a resurgence, and not only in the high-end classical or jazz use, 25 to 30-pound cassotto realm. It's currently not unusual to see non-cassotto, more general purpose boxes offered in stock by dealers in two configrations, LMMH or LMMM. Personally, I don't believe any listener or audience member would know or care one iota whether the player has an H reed their sound, but the H reed is kind of "back" at the moment.

I was recently watching a pair of gorgeous 37/96 Scandallis in "olive ash" wood at Liberty for a while, a pair of siblings offered in LMMM and LMMH. It was kind of fantasy porn, as I don't want a 19-pound 4-voice, but if I did, those were the stuff. I just saw the LMMM has vanished and the LMMH is the last one standing. Make of that what you will. For the record, I would have gone for the LMMM too. I love a thinner MMM, say, -7/+9 or 10.
^^^This is spot on^^^. My sentiments exactly. The standard 3 reed "folk musette" tuning on new Petosa accordions is -5/0/+15
I ordered a custom Beltuna in 2009 with 4 sets of middle reeds -20, 0, +7, +20
This gave me many musette tunings in one accordion. From a spread of 7 up to a spread of 40. I mostly use the two reed 0/+20, 0/+7, and three reed -20/0/+20. On the right material, the -20/+20 is very effective.
Here is an Irish lament played on the custom Beltuna. The first playing is on the single reed, the repeat is on the -20/+7 two reed setting.

 
A good amount of the Cleveland area polka players I’ve talked to prefer a very dry tuned LMMM over LMMH. I also believe a fairly wet tuned LMMM is pretty popular in Northern Italian for the dance music scene.
 
A good amount of the Cleveland area polka players I’ve talked to prefer a very dry tuned LMMM over LMMH. I also believe a fairly wet tuned LMMM is pretty popular in Northern Italian for the dance music scene.
Well, "musette" is actually a kind of bagpipe. The tuning was supposed to cut through a folk combo (or what you call a traditional ensemble) like bagpipes did. For amplified/recorded play, that is not really a necessity, but the sound as such has become associated with the style of music even though its original justification has become moot. So its not surprising that the evolution tends towards shallower tremolo even in traditional styles though the step to "dry" would be too "untraditional".
 
Well, "musette" is actually a kind of bagpipe. The tuning was supposed to cut through a folk combo (or what you call a traditional ensemble) like bagpipes did. For amplified/recorded play, that is not really a necessity, but the sound as such has become associated with the style of music even though its original justification has become moot. So its not surprising that the evolution tends towards shallower tremolo even in traditional styles though the step to "dry" would be too "untraditional".
And I said “very dry” for the Cleveland Polka but it’s about 4 cents. Dry compared to the “Italian” tunings I normally play, but not completely dry.
 
And I said “very dry” for the Cleveland Polka but it’s about 4 cents. Dry compared to the “Italian” tunings I normally play, but not completely dry.
That's about the difference between a pure whole tone and an equally tempered whole tone. Probably makes chords sound more balanced than a dry equally tempered tuning could.
 
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