I've joined the dark side!
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I don't think there is anything left... lol
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I can see that in theory the BK7m could speed up your preparation for December's gig (I think it's great and I've never even tried any of the settings other than "Ballroom"). But on the other hand, yet another world of programming possibilities... do you have a foot controller somewhere? I guess you do.
Thanks Matt... you found the one thing that I dont technically have! :lol:Matt Butcher said:
I have the pedal for the X4 that would work if rewired, but I dont want to ruin that pedal as I use the X4 for the time being.
The options: The FC-7 is discontinued, the FC-300 is stupid expensive, but the 3rd option is to buy a cheap Boss FS-5U foot pedal and a new/used Korg EC5 pedal and rewire it.
Leon from Roxys shows how thats done:
Oh... just thought of something... I could make an adapter that would let me use the X4 pedal on both units. Id need to find the proper plugs and wires, but its not technically impossible for me to DIY this. There are also many other kinds of MIDI foot pedals out there, that is also a possible option.
As for December 10th, I was hoping to do some cheating.
I wanted to record back-tracks to USB, and play them on the V-Accordion. After some testing last night, I noticed that there are a few limitations like:
- back-tracks played on the accordion are mono not stereo
- volume control of the back-tracks is not easily adjustable (adjusted via parameters deep in the menu system), so volume would have to be adjusted in the final MP3 or WAV file.
This is still an event I need to think more about from the technical aspect. Music is chosen, but things like what hardware to bring (speakers, amp, etc...) is still up in the air.
Thanks Glenn, they certainly are and I am so enjoying reaping the benefits of it.Glenn said:
Is that true Jerry? Thats something not obvious from the user manual.JerryPH said:
Indeed the volume of backing mp3s can only be independently changed from within a menu which is not handy if you have to change that between numbers.
Is that true Jerry? Thats something not obvious from the user manual.JerryPH said:
Indeed the volume of backing mp3s can only be independently changed from within a menu which is not handy if you have to change that between numbers.[/quote]
Try twisting the balance knob of your 8x while a song is playing. Now tell me what side the music is all coming from. I did a fast test of recording the output of the BK-7m, playing it on the 8x. The volume was off but by controlling the balance, it changed. The only other possibility is that the BK records in mono, but further evidence of an old post on the 8x form supports this.
EDIT: I did a video test that kind of proves it (video uploading as I type this). It shows the original soundtrack was in stereo, that when played on the 8x, is mono. Now, not just through its internal speakers, but I have later (not on the video) plugged the 8x in to the mixer, set up two left/right signals and panned each channel full left and full right, and same thing... mono output, the same sounds come out of both speakers, as opposed to the stereo sound that exits the speakers when the USB key is played directly from the computer. Finally, when listening to the 8x through headphones, the image is suddenly all there.
Apologies for the super-speed polka beat... lol
What I would expect... stereo image through the headphones AND when using dual L/R cables with the 8x and a mono sound when using the accordions internal speakers, but thats not what it is doing. Its missing the stereo image when using dual cables.
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Wasn't there a debate about stereo on the V accordion forum in the last couple of i tha? I didn't understand it, but I seem to remember there was some technical info in there.
In the Yahoo groups, there are 2 main groups, the FR-8x group and a more general Roland V-accordion group. Which one did you note this in? BTW, I am a member of both, did not see anything about it lately.
I think it was the "frx-3 and frx-1 roland recording" thread, where they were trying to separate the left and right sides and could not because there was always a bit of "bleed over" between the channels. Yeah, that part doesn't bother me, I can live with the stereo image that Roland wants to present, I would just want the, to permit the WAV files to be in stereo as well.
I had a guy from the yahoo forums email me that he recalls something like that, and that there was a fix for it, and that he would get back soon. I am impressed by the amount of help from other V-accordion users I am seeing, but then again, I should not be... accordionists are very generous with their knowledge and willingness to share, just look at this place!
I had a guy from the yahoo forums email me that he recalls something like that, and that there was a fix for it, and that he would get back soon. I am impressed by the amount of help from other V-accordion users I am seeing, but then again, I should not be... accordionists are very generous with their knowledge and willingness to share, just look at this place!
JerryPH said:
When playing a track, the balance knob controls the tracks volume, not the balance.
Just in case: there is a BK7-M group in Yahoo: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BK-7m/info
Then the balance knob controls not only the track volume, but the bass (left hand) volume as well.kep said:
kep said:Just in case: there is a BK7-M group in Yahoo: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BK-7m/info
You are a wealth of info.
I know the backtrack created by the BK7m is stereo, when played through the computer speakers there is a clear stereo image. This is not there when playing through the same speakers but using the 8x as the playing source. It sounds exactly like a single mono track, a flat image, if you will.
Another guy from the 8x group told me to do a complete factory reset, make sure I had the latest firmware (which I do) and reinstall all my backups and expansion sets, and this should resolve the issue of the 8x not playing backtracks in stereo on the 8x. He said that 2 years ago, this is exactly what happened to him as well (only once and never again) and thats how he addressed it.
Ill try it tomorrow after making a backup of my settings, there are too many to lose already at this point. Id do it now, but Ive had an 18 hour day and am a bit loopy at the moment.
Kep, thanks for the link to the BK group, I will be joining that group tomorrow.</QUOTE>
Greg V. from the Roland support group actually beat you to it and sent me an MP3 file with his voice going from left to right over and over, but I was even faster.
Really early this morning (don't ask how early... lol) I made backups of everything, reset the 8x to factory and reinstalled everything. It NOW works as initially I thought it should have from the start.
The backing track from the BK now plays distinctly with a stereo image when playing through the L/R cables and the headphones. I did not expect it to have a stereo sound through the internal speakers, and that too, apparently is normal, though there is a kind of image projected that is heard by the people in front of it, not so much by the player. Big difference too.
I am happy.
Really early this morning (don't ask how early... lol) I made backups of everything, reset the 8x to factory and reinstalled everything. It NOW works as initially I thought it should have from the start.
The backing track from the BK now plays distinctly with a stereo image when playing through the L/R cables and the headphones. I did not expect it to have a stereo sound through the internal speakers, and that too, apparently is normal, though there is a kind of image projected that is heard by the people in front of it, not so much by the player. Big difference too.
I am happy.
Firmware did not need to be reinstalled, I manually removed all expansions before the reset, so I am not sure if they were removed by the reset.Glenn said:
I have no idea how this happened, as it came to me like this, but the important part is I did my reset to factory specs, reinstalled the expansions and restored my settings and UPGs and it works perfectly, so I am not asking for more. The whole thing was quite easy!
BTW, the relatively fast way to get to the screen that controls the overall volume of any MP3 or WAV the 8x plays is to hit the down arrow 2 times. From there you chose the appropriate section and dial in the volume you want. You can do it real time if needed.
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