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We are in touch with Helmi Harrington (The World of Accordions Museum in Superior WI 54880) in attempting to buy a tutor book ('Fast CBA Course') for 40 USD plus 5 USD postage. I have suggested direct bank transfer, Credit Card, or PayPal but Helmi is saying just send a cheque. The bank tell me this is not permissible and would charge £25 to send the money which is ridiculous for such a small transaction.

I would particularly like to resolve this as Helmi has several other books etc which I can see might be of interest also.

Any ideas please anyone ? I guess we need an American Agent who will accept an easy form of payment from UK (plus handling fee !) and buy on our behalf.

(just heard again from Helmi saying she has a problem right now with a Credit Card system but might be able to fix it next month, so I would still welcome any comments or suggestions please)
 
Hi,

I've had a lifetime of frustration trying to source various items from the USA. The US is full of very reasonably priced desirable items that we in the UK would love to have free access to. However, our Customs and Excise agency (now called Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) has long had a major issue with us buying articles from across the pond. Similarly, our banks get very awkward with regard to purchases in anything other than the good old British Pound (of flesh).

Companies like Paypal have made trans Atlantic business between private sellers easier, but check out their exchange rates, as they give very few dollars to the pound, which gets very heavy if you make a large purchase.

I have several relatives in America who have offered to help me out, but the reality is that, by the time you contact them and get a reply, you end up waiting a week or two for something you want to arrive in a couple of days. You then get stung by your bank when you send them the money by bank transfer, so it really just isn't worth it.

I've played CBA for over 30 years and can assure you there is no quick method of learning it. I've never heard of the book you mention, so you've got to ask yourself "Why do I really need that particular book?", regardless of any kind of raconteur you may have established with the seller.

Sorry, but there just isn't any economical way of buying from the US unless you can do it by credit or debit card.
 
I don't see any real solution other than the credit/debit card system, but I would press the merchant in the U.S. to get their credit card system going. I have never heard of a merchant not having an up-and-running credit card system here, or if not a credit card system, a debit card system. I used to go through this check business here when buying coins from the Royal Mint or the Royal Canadian Mint before they had operations here in the U.S. Checks (or cheques) are fine domestically, but get kind of sticky when it comes to exchange rates. The credit card system will quickly and easily convert the currency so I would reiterate to the merchant that they could be losing a lot of business by not having a working credit card system. Some merchants here prefer certain credit cards over others as some of the companies charge merchants more. If this cannot be resolved, I would recommend not dealing with that merchant at all, and using a more widespread retailer like Amazon, if that is possible.
 
Ive used Forex to send money to Switzerland (accordion purchase!) as it was much cheaper than bank transfer. You have to register etc, but it worked really well for me, and you know exactly how much its going to cost before you commit to anything.

https://www.ukforex.co.uk/

P.S. I did forget about VAT though, so the purchase did cost more than expected... but that wasnt Forexs fault!
 
Many thanks everyone for the interesting comments.

As it happens maugein96 the tutor book mentioned was recommended elsewhere on this Forum, and the 'Fast' refers to the fact that is is intended for those converting from other instruments, PA in particular, and without needing the preliminary stages of learning about reading music etc (or of Stradella bass layout). I am no more of a fan of "Learn to Play in a Week than you are. Point taken also about 'do we really need it' but the intention was to help maybe solve queries about treble fingering. It has to be admitted though that some of us embarking on a new project cannot resist the temptation to beg borrow or purchase anything which looks likely to add to the pool of acquired knowledge. I am the guilty one here although it is my partner Marjorie recently beginning/converting to CBA-C.

Yes, lasvegascolonel, we did search other sources (including the ubiquitous Amazon and also eBay) but without success. Helmi Harrington is actually the author of the book (and many others) and seemingly it is obtainable only from her via the 'World of Accordions Museum', which she herself owns. However she is just off to Munich Oktoberfest apparently (how lovely, wish I was going) and will not be back until after mid October. She has promised to sort out her Credit Card acceptance system. It is currently undergoing serious changes she says. It does seem a little odd I agree, but then this is not really a trader as such.

Anyanka I had never heard of Forex but having just looked at their website it looks to be a really useful service. I will delve further, thank you.
 
Hi Rob,

Sorry, didn't mean to cause offence, but I have about 6 or 7 CBA tutor books (French and Italian) and no two of them use the same treble fingering. Some of the older methods (pre 1970) were devised when the French musette repertoire tunes all followed fairly standard runs and chord formations, with a lot of them having been specifically written for 4 row CBA. In those days all of the French teachers forbade use of the thumb, although one or two permitted its occasional use, generally on the outside row only.

The Italians seem to have preferred the Anzaghi school where the thumb was used from the outset, and the modern French methods tend to follow suit, as the music has changed away from the more traditional stuff. I taught myself to play using the now old fashioned Ferrero method, and the other books I have were only bought out of curiosity. Out of the more modern methods I reckon Richard Galliano's is about the most practical. The thumb is used from the start and you'll be introduced to the 4th row early on. He does have an unusual way of playing 4 note chords, as he misses out the third finger in most of them. However, I haven't really looked deeply into the method. The good thing about his method is that he gets you working the basses early on and there is an accompanying CD, in case you are struggling.

I'm going to quote a professional CBA player who told me "If you get halfway through a Continental 5 row method, under no circumstances should you change over to another method, as it will set you back months if not years". He was spot on, as I went against his advice and spent years worrying about whether my fingering was right or wrong. These days I just play it whatever way I can manage it, as nobody's really going to care.

I appreciate you seem to be about to add CBA to your other instruments, so you'll already have acquired a good technique. I've never played PA or diatonic so I don't know what difficulties you'll experience.

At the risk of upsetting the apple cart again, there is no correct treble fingering for CBA. Each method will have its own version, although there will be some similarities among them. Perhaps the most controversial method book I ever saw was written by a French guy called Paul Chalier. Paul was a successful professional player and recording artiste, who reckoned that since most French musette players in the 60s only used three fingers, then he would devise a method which reflected that. His method book was short and sweet. Pinkies and thumbs were banned and his advice was to use as few fingers as possible when playing. Although this sounds strange, the early French musette was more of a folk type style and most of its exponents rarely if ever strayed into other music styles. Funny thing was that Paul Chalier was possibly better known under the alias of Pablo Caliero, as he was also a prolific player of tango music on the bandoneon. He actually devised his own playing method for that instrument as well, which was accepted without controversy (probably because it wasn't a CBA!). If you were to have asked Paul Chalier (before he died in 2002) what was the correct fingering for the scale of C, he would tell you that his was correct, but so would about a dozen others.

I assume there must also be more than one way to tackle a PA, but I've never heard anybody discussing it.

Good luck with buying the method book. I've tried to find it listed elsewhere other than at the museum, but have had no joy.
 
No offence taken at all maugein96, also Apple Cart still perfectly upright. Thanks for such a helpful and interesting post.

My goodness, you do have such extensive experience. It all confirms that with CBA's in particular there is no single 'correct' treble fingering system, at least only in the eyes of those favouring their own ideas, no doubt for reasons which make sense to them.

Yes, the thumb, or not to thumb, or to 'part-time thumb' is a real can of worms. Having a thumb on the rim though does seem to provide a more secure feeling of location (even if you pop it off play the occasional note). On YouTube there are examples of it all aren't there.

We will digest all the things you say, and if and when we get 'the book' will report back accordingly. All best meanwhile.
 
"At the risk of upsetting the apple cart again, there is no correct treble fingering for CBA." I'm very happy to hear that.... I originally planned to take some lessons when switching to CBA, but never got around to it, and just use whatever fingering is comfortable & works for me. I use all five fingers and all five rows: waste not, want not!
 
I think you have done the right thing Anyanka. The fifth row is uncharted territory for me and the fourth is used with trepidation, when it seems too hard to get it in three rows. The main source of controversy with CBA fingering appears to be centred around how to play the major and minor scales, rather than how to deal with the actual tunes. I'm sure you've already found out that certain runs and passages fall naturally into the configuration of your right hand. Unless you're trying to play something that was written by a B system player, when some of their stuff is possibly better attempted with the accordion upside down! I also find some piano orientated tunes a bit difficult to nail, but you'll know how to overcome that. I simply cannot manage piano keyboards of any description. Those raised black keys are just beyond me.

With CBA I find the thumb gives me more fluency but I tend to lose accuracy if I make too much use of it. I have grown accustomed to the thumb on the side giving support to my hand and keeping all the fingers where they should be. With my fairly short fingers this means the 5th row can be a bit of a stretch, and even the 4th row is best avoided if I can manage it.

I also play electric guitar, where I've had to make more use of my left pinky than most because I don't have a large finger spread. This tends to get me using my own version of chords and fingering, but obviously puts me at a disadvantage when I try to learn by watching others. The major difference with guitarists is that everybody tends to respect each other's version and there are no hard and fast rules to worry about, unless you are learning classical or flamenco. Those latter styles do not capture my interest as the only long nails I can cope with are the ones that you hammer into wood.

Just keep playing the way you do, as you obviously get pleasure out of it.
 
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