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New Guy needs help with a Horch

The left side may have duplicate reeds in the same octave if it has the bass set up where the base has a minimal bass machine and the chord button activates it's own set of reeds , instead of "sharing" with every other button that uses the same note.
 
The left side may have duplicate reeds in the same octave if it has the bass set up where the base has a minimal bass machine and the chord button activates it's own set of reeds , instead of "sharing" with every other button that uses the same note.
Thanks for the reply. I'll take that to mean that those larger reeds are placed without regard for order, since they are all of the same octave/ note. The one unique distinction with those reeds is the hash marks that are on the center of one end of the reed, ranging from one to three vertical slashes. I placed these facing outward since the original builder must have been aware of them and placed them in view. Yes?
Thanks again, I continue to learn and happy to do so,

Chet
 
hmmm.. generally speaking, the hash marks are more often so they do
not mix up the M- M and M+ when an accordion has the de-tuned musette

so if you looked in a larger accordion with 3 or 4 sets of treble reeds you would quickly know
if any M reeds fell off which "group" they belong to

but who knows what they might have done behind the iron curtain
or why

and you reporting all those same pitched reeds makes no sense to me as
ypu only have two reedblocks total, so one is for the two solo bass button rows
and both sides of one reedblock should be the same note, just an octave apart
while the other reedblock will have the complimentary major or minor notes
to make up the rest of the chords

you will find some logic to the layout eventually
 
hmmm.. generally speaking, the hash marks are more often so they do
not mix up the M- M and M+ when an accordion has the de-tuned musette

so if you looked in a larger accordion with 3 or 4 sets of treble reeds you would quickly know
if any M reeds fell off which "group" they belong to

but who knows what they might have done behind the iron curtain
or why

and you reporting all those same pitched reeds makes no sense to me as
ypu only have two reedblocks total, so one is for the two solo bass button rows
and both sides of one reedblock should be the same note, just an octave apart
while the other reedblock will have the complimentary major or minor notes
to make up the rest of the chords

you will find some logic to the layout eventually
My fear is my "find some logic" will be after the fact and require one disassembly after another in the trial and error approach I've been relegated to. Unlike your lot, the "prepared minds" I spoke of in a prior post, where knowing has a more immediate success response.
"Se la vive" comes to mind,

Chet
 
Hi Bullrat, and welcome to the forum.

I've grown to respect accordions a lot more once I started digging inside them & appreciated the mechanical complexity. It's fun (for some of us at least), but extremely time consuming - accordions are in a completely different league of manual labour requirements compared to banjos, resonator guitars and sewing machines. A lot of my youth was spent being grilled by parents for disassembling (and attempting to assemble) everything I could get my hands on (including an almost brand new PC :ROFLMAO: back in the days when personal computers were big, heavy and very expensive. How could I resist!), so I fully understand your drive.

However, I wouldn't start form this squeezebox, unless you are extremely attached to it emotionally. It's good for taking apart to see what's inside, but I'd choose a different box to invest your time in re-assembling, waxing, tuning, re-felting, etc. Several reasons for that:
1) It's in pretty much dead condition. With accordions the starting point matters a lot, and the amount of time required to fix them grows exponentially as the starting condition gets worse.
2) Horch wouldn't have high quality voices or mechanics (especially on a "child" model like this) and will probably not have the best sound & playability even if you took it to better-than-factory condition.
3) I wouldn't start learning to play on a 2 octave instrument. They are very niche squeezeboxes with an extremely limited range, different bellows action (due to very low volume) and are typically not recommended for people to learn on.
4) I would recommend having a good box for learning and a separate box for learning how to repair them. The problem is that if the accordion set-up is only 90% good, it becomes very difficult to learn on it (an experienced player can work around the issues, but a beginner won't). And if you're learning how to repair, you won't get to 90%-good set up in your first box.

Having gone through what you're going now (I don't have much experience repairing tbh - 2 repairs, 2 complete overhauls, made my own reed blocks, recently learned to rivet my own roller bass machine mechs and, just for fun at this point in time, started learning how to make reeds from scratch with reasonable success for the first few attempts).

So my advice (if I was to start all over again) would be:
For playing, get a full-sized box in good condition with 2 voices in the right hand side, dry-tuned.
For fixing, get something more high end, so you get a very nice instrument when it's done. Or maybe even get a melodeon, as the repair skills learned will be the same, but they've got fewer parts, better spacing between them, so easier to work on, and you'll get a playable result a lot faster.
If you are not going down the melodeon route, find a high quality full-sized accordion in good condition, but in need of a full overhaul. I.e. looks brand new on the outside, but most of the insides need to be re-done. Make sure that most valves are still in reasonable condition - you'll never get a well-playing box if you have to valve the reeds from scratch!!! Such boxes do come up for very reasonable prices if you know what to look for.

Good luck and enjoy!
 
tcabot,
Thank you for the welcome, the gracious reply and the VERY helpful advise. I would be remiss if I was oblivious to the trend of the reply's I've received so far. Warnings mostly, which I intend to heed. I especially like your advise of a Melodeon. Not knowing anything about them, I went to YouTube and saw what I think is a better fit for the style I'd like to play.
During the short time I've spent on trying to revive this Horch, it quickly became apparent that my music theory was nowhere near adequate to solve some of it's mystery's. A hugh barrier for an accordion student. I've got it back together, but hoping that the end result is an operable accordion that was the product of very little know-how and alot of finger crossing, is wishful thinking. Translation: Doomed.
Thanks to all for the help,
Chet
 
Don't get discouraged, it's great to play an accordion and great fun to work on them. It's just that it's reasonably easy to find a "better" box to invest your time, and you're really better off starting with small repairs before doing an overhaul, just due to the amount of knowledge that you will require to do a full job.

Not knowing anything about them, I went to YouTube and saw what I think is a better fit for the style I'd like to play.

They are quite different beasts, despite looking similar and working in a similar way. There's hundreds of different melodeon types as well. All are diatonic (rather than chromatic, which, I guess, will put them into the accordion classification in the squeezebox world). Most of them are bisonoric (different notes on push & pull).
You mention Eastern European cultures - there's a particular melodeon popular in that part of the world called "Hromka" which is, afaik, the only melodeon that's monosonoric left & right, just like an accordion. I.e. Gives you the same note on push & pull.
Another popular type worth investigating is a Steirische harmonika.
For repairs, a 10-key cajun melodeon might be an easier start though, and easier to get in your part of the world.
 
I'll start looking for a 10-key cajun melodeon. Always liked that music, seems destiny has a hand in this.
Thanks again,
Chet
PS. My wife's father hailed from Greenock Scotland. Their ancestry, and Surname, originated in the Orkney Islands. A good place to be from IMHO. Cold and windy when we were there. Seemed to be an unlikely wedding destination!
 
well Chet, if we have reached that point in this discussion/adventure,
then once you have the new project piece melodion in hand, i feel
it is only right that we meet back here and give the Horch a proper burial
sendoff Viking fineral ?
 
Very unlucky to get a windy & rainy day. It's almost always warm and sunny here :cool:

The good thing about melodeons is that since they are all in different keys, it's easier to justify having a selection of them to the Mrs.
Trying to justify buying a 4th accordion to the Mrs is a whole different ball game...
 
Very unlucky to get a windy & rainy day. It's almost always warm and sunny here :cool:

The good thing about melodeons is that since they are all in different keys, it's easier to justify having a selection of them to the Mrs.
Trying to justify buying a 4th accordion to the Mrs is a whole different ball game...
Old cars are alot like that. Especially after a trip where we got half way.
 
well Chet, if we have reached that point in this discussion/adventure,
then once you have the new project piece melodion in hand, i feel
it is only right that we meet back here and give the Horch a proper burial
sendoff Viking fineral ?
I was thinking I should share the angst and put it on the Goodwill auction site for some other unsuspecting creature. You know, sort of force a "growing " experience.
 
Very unlucky to get a windy & rainy day. It's almost always warm and sunny here :cool:

The good thing about melodeons is that since they are all in different keys, it's easier to justify having a selection of them to the Mrs.
Trying to justify buying a 4th accordion to the Mrs is a whole different ball game...
It's generally considered wise to buy a piece of bright and moderately glittery jewelry or a bottle of 100 year old rum, as appropriate to accompany the new accordion home. Trust me on this.
 
It's generally considered wise to buy a piece of bright and moderately glittery jewelry or a bottle of 100 year old rum, as appropriate to accompany the new accordion home. Trust me on this.
Been married to this gal for 48 years, being smarter to me, she's on to me. (Probably like your's too) So skill and daring is substituted by age and treachery. Keeps her on her toes too.
 
Been married to this gal for 48 years, being smarter to me, she's on to me. (Probably like your's too) So skill and daring is substituted by age and treachery. Keeps her on her toes too.
In that particular situation, it's necessary to sell one or more on occasion, redefines you as a "wheeler dealer" rather than a "collector hoarder." In fact, I suggest buying some junker, define it as the "best you have ever seen," then sell it. Hope this helps.....
 
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