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Thank you for your response. I actually had a simulated bass unit built by Sano installed into one of my accordions years ago when I had my own band. We used to play Big Band music on a light jazz flavor. The Sano unit allowed me to enjoy the acoustical sound of the accordion right hand while complimenting it with a full string bass sound on the left. It involved a small firing cable utilizing a jack installed within the accordion.

The cable that would support the supposed MIDI unit on the accordion is something I might be interested in purchasing. Would someone be able to guide me on where I could possibly inquire to purchase the cable? I also need some help understanding the whole MIDI concept. The cable would connect to some type of external unit I'm assuming to simulate the bass?
 
Thank you for your response. I actually had a simulated bass unit built by Sano installed into one of my accordions years ago when I had my own band. We used to play Big Band music on a light jazz flavor. The Sano unit allowed me to enjoy the acoustical sound of the accordion right hand while complimenting it with a full string bass sound on the left. It involved a small firing cable utilizing a jack installed within the accordion.

The cable that would support the supposed MIDI unit on the accordion is something I might be interested in purchasing. Would someone be able to guide me on where I could possibly inquire to purchase the cable? I also need some help understanding the whole MIDI concept. The cable would connect to some type of external unit I'm assuming to simulate the bass?
I have a question loosely related to the bass MIDI action: the answer on an instrument particularly designed for Jazz may be different than on other instruments: If you press the C bass button together with the em (E Minor) chord button, is there any "springiness" left on the c (C Major) chord button? Or would it be able to just follow gravity? The reason I am asking is related to the bass MIDI performance: when the C Major chord button is allowed to follow gravity, that means that the C bass button opens the C chord pallet (that would not be affected by the em chord button).

Now in the MIDI, it is undesirable for the C bass button to trigger the C chord note, and there are some mechanical solutions for fixing the MIDI that don't work well with Jazz chords. So I'd be interested how this may differ in an accordion explicitly made for Jazz. One possibility is that the bass does not couple into the chord reeds to start with, in which case the problem does not arise with the MIDI. Another is that there are separate rods and springs that keep the MIDI contact open, but in that case the C Major button should be kept from falling in by that spring (separate from the springs closing the pallets opened by the C+em buttons) as well.
 
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To better understand this in laymen terms, the accordion has the capacity to utilize an external source to create various sounds through amplification? Is it reasonable to assume the right hand would also be a recipient of the sound capabilities? If so, I would assume that I would need to purchase some type of external module along with the firing cable that Excelsior offers to facilitate the whole thing, should I become interested in moving in that direction. I'm not a techy guy, so please excuse my questions, and thank you for trying to explain this to me.s

Interestingly, the person I purchased the accordion from only owned it a short period of time. He communicated to me that he actually traded another accordion for it from a pastor in Germany that wanted the piccolo function that this accordion did not offer. I'm assuming therefore that this accordion is actually a product of Excelsior Germany.
 
Hi Dano

I'm anything but a MIDI-expert (prefer to play my instruments the old / analogue way), my experience with MIDIfied accordions is limited to an old Guerrini which came with MIDI-contacts inside the instrument and I had to build the interface-box myself to make use of it.
My assumption is that your accordion contains similar hardware, as it doesn't feature a control-panel mentioned by Ventura earlier.
When you click the link in my previous reply you'll see what I mean. The original MIDIVox system obviously came with a control panel in the grille to change presets, transpose up and down, etc. Even the most simple MIDIVox LT system came with a small control panel. Since there is nothing like that on your photos Ventura said that eventually it might be dismantled and replaced by a new grille (w/o the control-panel) or it has a very simple MIDI HW (same as my Guerrini) inside. Why it has the same 8-pin connector as the original MIDIVox-system is another question. Ideally it is compatible with the power-supply /interface-box of the original MIDIVox. Basically there is no standard type of connection between the instrument and the power supply / interface box (on my Guerrini it's a 6-pin type). What IS standard is the connection between MIDI-instruments; it's a 5-pin connector (5-pins arranged in a half circle) labelled MIDI Out (that's the one you can see on the MIDIVox power-supply / interface) and MIDI In (that would be the input of MIDI instruments which generate the sounds and being played remotely).
In any case your assumption is right; given you find the cable and connector box you can connect it to any instrument which offers MIDI.
This instrument (they maybe called expander, arranger, sampler, workstation, ...) will generate the sounds you program on it - your accordion serves "just" as a keyboard to play the sounds "remotely".

If you want to explore what's inside your instrument, what possibilities it enables and whether or not it is functional the next step is to find an expert (If you don't dare yourself) who could inspect your instrument, see what's inside and define what kind of power-supply / interface box you'd need. From there it's a bit easier because then you have a standard interface: MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) with its standard HW (the 5 pole connector) and SW (the so-called MIDI-protocol).

I hope it's explained good but easy enough to get an idea. As mentioned I have very limited experience in MIDI-hardware and software. There are many experts on this forum as I can see there's an extra chapter "Digital & MIDI accordions".

Excelsior Germany - according to my knowledge - never built own products; they are general distributors of Excelsior instruments built in Italy.
 
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To better understand this in laymen terms, the accordion has the capacity to utilize an external source to create various sounds through amplification?
More or less.
Is it reasonable to assume the right hand would also be a recipient of the sound capabilities?
If the owner described it as a "bass MIDI", no. While there is no inherent reason not to have MIDI capabilities on the treble side as well,
a) it is more expensive to have both
b) what do you need an expensive Jazz accordion for if you produce all of your sound electronically?

The bass MIDI serves two functions:
a) it gives you more variety for the accompaniment sounds when using a MIDI expander
b) it allows you to control the harmonies of a MIDI arranger module (those typically include a MIDI expander) that gives a complete rhythmical accompaniment, making it feasible to deliver a full dance track as a single performer. Of course a really good player can do so with just an expander (or even just an accordion), but an arranger delivers constant speed by itself, and has a lot of rhythmic patterns and drums and fill-ins that dancers are accustomed to.

The treble MIDI essentially only does different sounds, and it makes people question why you are playing an accordion in the first place.

It appeared like there is a microphone output as well: that would be independent from the MIDI and will likely just cover the treble side (but it's more likely to also have bass than the MIDI is to also have treble).
If so, I would assume that I would need to purchase some type of external module along with the firing cable that Excelsior offers to facilitate the whole thing, should I become interested in moving in that direction.
I don't know the Excelsior setup. The connector has way more pins than what would be needed to carry a MIDI signal, so I expect that at its other side there must still be some box/device creating MIDI. If that's all it does, you'll still need an expander and/or arranger on top. Let's hear from the Excelsior experts in the forum first what is up here.

One thing an arranger is nice for is practising to maintain speed. It's actually pretty fun to work with, but you'll need a keyboard amp that can do the full sound spectrum from a double bass to cymbals justice. The same kind of amp would likely work on the microphone output of the accordion for reaching an audience.
I'm not a techy guy, so please excuse my questions, and thank you for trying to explain this to me.s

Interestingly, the person I purchased the accordion from only owned it a short period of time. He communicated to me that he actually traded another accordion for it from a pastor in Germany that wanted the piccolo function that this accordion did not offer. I'm assuming therefore that this accordion is actually a product of Excelsior Germany.
Excelsior is an Italian company. In particular specially configured accordions are more likely to have been produced in Italy than anywhere else.
 

that is great news.. i am guessing when Pigini decided to close the grandfathered
in-house Excelsior electronics several years back, their long time Germany dealer
picked up the rest of the inventory and parts and decided tp make an investment
into keeping the stuff available.. couldn't find Marco in the recent Pigini directory
so i guessed he had aged out/retired which might have precipitated Pigini's decision

not unusual.. the German companies have always been a bit bolder at the hands on
tech level.. Ketron/Solton being one great example

so now we have a place to get the correct power supply/breakout box and
other repair parts and manuals and maybe even some schematics if we
ask really nice

thanks for the link to this resource.. i gotta visit them someday

and back to this excelsior.. the page mentions a MIDI Bass model so
that probably is the best guess, and if it is still inside there, well there ya go..
getting the cable and box from them is the solution
 
Wondering if someone could provide information on Melotone Accordions. Level of quality, sound opinion. I've had this one for almost 50 years. It has been a great accordion quality wise. Had complete reeds done on it about 25 years ago. Was played very sparingly from 1995 until currently.
 

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Happy New Year. Anyone have anything to contribute concerning Melotone accordions? Just wondering if anyone has owned one, and what their personal experience was.
Looks like a Menghini.
 

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Here's another pic of a different model Menghini. Triple chamber, lightening keyboard, mute switch as well. Purely a jazz box.
 

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