Roland fr4x

[timo]

Sakut. I'm new here and also new to the electric accordion. I would like if someone could help me with SPEQ RH on the Roland to make it sound better than the original settings, something similar to fr8x. I tried some adjustments but it sounds a bit distorted, so you still need to know how to play with gain, freq, etc. Thank you.
star_border

 

[KeysFla]

May be one of the gains in the eq is set too high?
Are you using the factory EQ settings? They work for me…at no time the accordion should distort at full volume. Or you may consider new batteries. 2300 MAH is recommended. I use Ever ready power plus…one bad battery in the bunch could cause distortion too.
Begin by getting one good master accordion sound and save to a User Program or set. The orchestrations have nice accordion sounds too. I usually layer it with a regular accordion sound, then save it to user program. Then build from there to add different register programs. Make it your own, as we all play differently.
You will never get the volume like out of the FR8x. But for me I never need more than half volume when strolling…

 

[timo]

Are you using the factory EQ settings? They work for me…at no time the accordion should distort at full volume. Of you may consider new batteries. 2300 MAH is recommended. I use Ever ready power plus…one bad battery in the bunch could cause distortion too

I adjusted them a little to make them sound more pleasant, something close to fr8x

 

[KeysFla]

I adjusted them a little to make them sound more pleasant, something close to fr8x

With Different speaker configuration on the fr8x, the EQ will be quite different.

 

[timo]

With Different speaker configuration on the fr8x, the EQ will be quite different.

saw how it sounds on the original fr8x and then modified, it sounds amazing, so it can be done on the fr4x if someone understands interference

 

[KeysFla]

I adjusted them a little to make them sound more pleasant, something close to fr8x

The mid frequency may be set too high. As a rule of thumb the mid frequency EQ settings require around 50%, little up or down. But that is a matter of preference.

 

[timo]

The mid frequency may be set too high. As a rule of thumb the mid frequency EQ settings require around 50%, little up or down.

How could I give you a little video of what a fr8x could sound like?

 

[Ventura]

i am gonna say perform a full factory reset, and
put a new replacement speaker in the treble side

 

[timo]

How could I give you a little video of what a fr8x could sound like?

i am gonna say perform a full factory reset, and
put a new replacement speaker in the treble side

Only if I put another speaker can the sound be changed like on the fr8x?

 

[Ventura]

my guess/advice is based on what has been posted so far,
and it seems like you would not have started messing around
with stuff if it had sounded right to begin with

therefore i am guessing the speaker is damaged, and not
reproducing the frequencies correctly

secondly, the only way to get back to normal now that all the
controls have been messed with many times is a factory reset

that is the logic behind my suggestion

 

[oldbayan]

Sakut. I'm new here and also new to the electric accordion. I would like if someone could help me with SPEQ RH on the Roland to make it sound better than the original settings, something similar to fr8x. I tried some adjustments but it sounds a bit distorted, so you still need to know how to play with gain, freq, etc. Thank you.
star_border

Ah, the digital sound syndrome! I have been using Rolands for many years (FR-18, FR-3xb), the factory settings are fine, I created a few sets with tweaked sounds using the tablature and set editors supplied by Roland. They have their own features. Also the small speakers in the FR-4 do not help... The sound comes out with exaggerated highs. Have you tried plugging your accordion into an amp? I use a Yamaha THR5A and also a bigger acoustic amp, the sound is very different.

 

[KeysFla]

I only trust the factory preset EQ. The reed settings may be more what you need to adjust to get it to your liking. We tend to think since we have speakers, we can overcome what a true acoustic can do. When on stage, use an amp. When strolling, very little volume is needed.

 

[JerryPH]

Dont forget that the amp in an 8x is twice as strong as the 4x.

Also, as a general rule with EQs we lower the other frequencies before raising the frequencies that we think may need boosting.

 

[timo]

my guess/advice is based on what has been posted so far,
and it seems like you would not have started messing around
with stuff if it had sounded right to begin with

therefore i am guessing the speaker is damaged, and not
reproducing the frequencies correctly

secondly, the only way to get back to normal now that all the
controls have been messed with many times is a factory reset

that is the logic behind my suggestion

IMG_7633.mov

Visit this link to download: IMG_7633.mov

files.fm

The accordion is like new, do you have a little video of how I managed to make it by "ear"?

 

[timo]

IMG_7633.mov

Visit this link to download: IMG_7633.mov

files.fm

The accordion is like new, do you have a little video of how I managed to make it by "ear"?

2024-12-22_acxt9ms3r9

Visit this link to download: 2024-12-22_acxt9ms3r9

files.fm

and this is what fr8x sounds like

 

[JerryPH]

2024-12-22_acxt9ms3r9

Visit this link to download: 2024-12-22_acxt9ms3r9

files.fm

and this is what fr8x sounds like

https://files.fm/u/9hp7waagdn
The accordion is like new, do you have a little video of how I managed to make it by "ear"?

Hmmm... are you truly saying that you cannot get your 4X to sound like the sample 8X that you played in terms of accordion sounds?
To first make a comparison, please compare straight accordion sounds and make sure you are using the same accordion settings. The 8X has so many embellishments in your video that it is very hard to even hear the accordion part.

I don't know if it is 100% possible, as I do not own a 4X, but I can look at the two PDF files and hear the sounds from other 4X players on YouTube videos. In this case, I would hazard saying that this is more user error than Roland V-Accordion error especially since they use basically the same sound engine with a few minor different name changes.

My suggestion to you is to save yourself the time and that if you want an 8X, play the 8X... if you want the 4X, play the 4X, since you seem to own both.

 

[timo]

Hmmm... are you truly saying that you cannot get your 4X to sound like the sample 8X that you played in terms of accordion sounds?
To first make a comparison, please compare straight accordion sounds and make sure you are using the same accordion settings. The 8X has so many embellishments in your video that it is very hard to even hear the accordion part.

I don't know if it is 100% possible, as I do not own a 4X, but I can look at the two PDF files and hear the sounds from other 4X players on YouTube videos. In this case, I would hazard saying that this is more user error than Roland V-Accordion error especially since they use basically the same sound engine with a few minor different name changes.

My suggestion to you is to save yourself the time and that if you want an 8X, play the 8X... if you want the 4X, play the 4X, since you seem to own both.

USP is copied from 8x to 4x, so the same sound, only on 8x it has an extra sound, having 3 sounds. Making the settings the same, it sounds distorted, probably because of the generation.

 

[JerryPH]

USP is copied from 8x to 4x, so the same sound, only on 8x it has an extra sound, having 3 sounds. Making the settings the same, it sounds distorted, probably because of the generation.

They don't share 100% of the same settings, you cannot copy UPG's across simply by changing the extensions and expect everything to match... it doesn't work that way.

The sounds may be 95% the same, with some differences, but settings and internal support and programming are going to be different between these 2 for sure... you cannot just copy UPGs across and expect them to be identical (I know, I did it with the FR-4x alpine sounds to my 8X as at the time they were not available for the 8X and it took a good amount of extra work to make them functional. There is a lot of internal programming differences specific to each model).

Was that what you were doing and expected things to be the same?

 

[timo]

They don't share 100% of the same settings, you cannot copy UPG's across simply by changing the extensions and expect everything to match... it doesn't work that way.

The sounds may be 95% the same, with some differences, but settings and internal support and programming are going to be different between these 2 for sure... you cannot just copy UPGs across and expect them to be identical (I know, I did it with the FR-4x alpine sounds to my 8X as at the time they were not available for the 8X and it took a good amount of extra work to make them functional).

Was that what you were doing and expected things to be the same?

I understand, but is there anyone who can help me make my roland fr4x sound much better? some improvements

 

[JerryPH]

I understand, but is there anyone who can help me make my roland fr4x sound much better? some improvements

To just say "can anyone make my 4X sound better" is EXTREMELY broad. What sounds good to you may not be what I consider good.
My suggestion... the fastest and easiest way to make any 8X or 4X sound better is to reset it to factory and install the Richard Noel sets.

Once installed, you can use the information in there to see how Richard Noel does it and from there learn to make your own changes.