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Roland price drop?

maybe i did a rip van winkle and fell asleep for a long long long time

is there no longer a 6 month waiting list ?

has everyone had their order fulfilled (finally)

have all the units in for repair for months and months been fixed and returned ?

are batteries back in stock ?

did they start making the BK7-mx finally ?
 
apparently a price drop is allegedly going to become official on the 15th
I can check with another Roland dealer.

I knew that Roland would stop making V-accordions some day, but unlike Jerry, I became convinced much more recently. My suspicions began just a few weeks ago.

Now, about the future of digital accordions — well, I posted my thoughts already. At this moment, it looks kind of bleak, sorry to say.
 
I saw the site of Kevin Solecki in PA has big banner headlines for a Roland markdown. He is moving Bugaris, at least the 34/72 models, which aren't cheap themselves, he's stocking them with TAM. Impressed that he actually posts what he has in stock, with gobs of color photos of the internals, and the transparency seems to be working for him. I really hate the smoke-and-mirrors, call-us-and-ask-what-we-have nonsense with some of the U.S. dealers. Refuse to play that game, actually.
TAM?
…please explain
Joe
 
I've thought about picking up a 4X or another 8X purely so that I have a backup if my primary 8X ever dies. I feel that parts will become extremely difficult to secure and it's the one accordion I cannot be without. I know of no other reedless accordions that even approach the features of the V-accordions. I looked at the SEM Ciao a few years ago and didn't like it. I owned a Petosa Millennium and it was nice - dated, but nice.

I'll follow this thread and see what this all means.
 
TAM?
…please explain
Joe


"TAM" is an abbreviation for a type of premium or supposedly premium reed a bit upgraded over "Export" or "Durall" or "Super Durall" reeds (which in the nomenclature of some, are themselves considered better quality than mere "macchina" reeds.) TAM is short for tipo a mano, or "hand-type" reeds. TAM/tipo a mano are also known as "hand-finished" reeds. Not all TAM reeds are created equal, there are different TAMS by different reed makers. And there's debate out there as to how much if any better response or performance they give over competently produced and installed, well-voiced Super Durall reeds, but that's another story. But everything else being equal, TAM might give a bit brighter, more vibrant tone, and a bit faster, easier response.

Above TAM are so-called true handmade or a mano reeds, sometimes abbreviated AM. (And beyond that are various exotica marketed as rarefied super-premium variants of a mano stuff, that I consider kind of an eye-roller but haven't paid much attention to and know little about.) Sometimes dealers do not distinguish TAM from a mano in a a transparent or clear manner. A spec note of "handmade reeds," might mean either one unless you are able to nail it down.

In Bugari product parlance, their "Juniorfisa" models are what for Bugari might be seen as student or folk/stroller boxes, and have Super Durall reeds. They are actually sturdy, big-voiced smaller sizes for Bugari without cassotto or any of that stuff (but they are not small, mind you). The Bugari "Championfisa" line are those same Juniorfisa models, but augmented with TAM reeds. There's a "Seniorfisa" line above that, and above that you get into the higher-end stuff that Bugari is actually most known for. Tone chambers, freebass, many many reed banks, a mano reeds, etc.

The gent at carnegie-accordions.com has been selling Juniorfisa/Championfisa accordions simply with a note that they are outfitted with TAM. He's not using the term "Championfisa," he just gives the model number and size and notes they have TAM reeds. Which is probably sensible, because those terms are ridiculous and confusing to shoppers. That's all I was referring to. I believe he also sells higher-end Bugari models as well as Bugari-made customizable accordions under a proprietary badge of his, kind of like what Petosa does. And, as noted here, digital stuff.
 
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"TAM" is an abbreviation for a type of premium or supposedly premium reed a bit upgraded over "Export" or "Durall" or "Super Durall" reeds (which in the nomenclature of some, are themselves considered better quality than mere "macchina" reeds.) TAM is short for tipo a mano, or "hand-type" reeds. TAM/tipo a mano are also known as "hand-finished" reeds. Not all TAM reeds are created equal, there are different TAMS by different reed makers. And there's debate out there as to how much if any better response or performance they give over competently produced and installed, well-voiced Super Durall reeds, but that's another story. But everything else being equal, TAM might give a bit brighter, more vibrant tone, and a bit faster, easier response.

Above TAM are so-called true handmade or a mano reeds, sometimes abbreviated AM. (And beyond that are various exotica marketed as rarefied super-premium variants of a mano stuff, that I consider kind of an eye-roller but haven't paid much attention to and know little about.) Sometimes dealers do not distinguish TAM from a mano in a a transparent or clear manner. A spec note of "handmade reeds," might mean either one unless you are able to nail it down.

In Bugari product parlance, their "Juniorfisa" models are what for Bugari might be seen as student or folk/stroller boxes, and have Super Durall reeds. They are actually sturdy, big-voiced smaller sizes for Bugari without cassotto or any of that stuff (but they are not small, mind you). The Bugari "Championfisa" line are those same Juniorfisa models, but augmented with TAM reeds. There's a "Seniorfisa" line above that, and above that you get into the higher-end stuff that Bugari is actually most known for. Tone chambers, freebass, many many reed banks, a mano reeds, etc.

The gent at carnegie-accordions.com has been selling Juniorfisa/Championfisa accordions simply with a note that they are outfitted with TAM. He's not using the term "Championfisa," he just gives the model number and size and notes they have TAM reeds. Which is probably sensible, because those terms are ridiculous and confusing to shoppers. That's all I was referring to. I believe he also sells higher-end Bugari models as well as Bugari-made customizable accordions under a proprietary badge of his, kind of like what Petosa does. And, as noted here, digital stuff.
Thank you…Joe
 
I just went to the Sweetwater Web site and they have a new 8X at $5999.00 -- a $3000.00 price drop. I know that is real because, I checked a few weeks back and the price was $8,999.99.
The catch is, they say: "Backordered - More On The Way! We expect more from Roland in just a few weeks. Order today to reserve yours now, risk-free".
So, will they get more to sell at this price?
 
OK, so, one of 2 things is happening...

1 - Roland is selling out the 8X because they will relatively soon afterwards release a newer model
2 - (and what I think is more likely), Roland is selling out the 8X because they are trying to get out of the V-accordion game as fast as possible.

Which do you guys think is happening?
 
OK, so, one of 2 things is happening...

1 - Roland is selling out the 8X because they will relatively soon afterwards release a newer model
2 - (and what I think is more likely), Roland is selling out the 8X because they are trying to get out of the V-accordion game as fast as possible.

Which do you guys think is happening?
Let’s not forget that all production in Italy was paused for a month. I’m still waiting to hear from the Roland dealer I know, and I’ll post as soon as I know something.
 
i still would like to know if a single solitary dealer in the USA
actually has an FR8 in stock ready to sell

because from the anecdotal history from here and elsewhere,
it seemed there has been a minimum 6 month wait from time of order
simply because no dealer could get any kind of firm committment from
Roland as to availability or delivery

and the FR4 was backordered as well, but fulfillment was happening
enough that some people actually recieved their box.. ok.. but has there been
any indication that Dealers have recieved their FR4 back-fill inventory ?

so if there are no FR8's actually available physically, and FR4's
are only sporadically available, will any announcement regarding
price mean anything ?

don't you first need to have something to actually sell ?

or

let's have a sale and:
"if we get 1000 pre-orders with deposits we will start
actually making them again for a little while"
 
I just went to the Sweetwater Web site and they have a new 8X at $5999.00 -- a $3000.00 price drop. I know that is real because, I checked a few weeks back and the price was $8,999.99.
The catch is, they say: "Backordered - More On The Way! We expect more from Roland in just a few weeks. Order today to reserve yours now, risk-free".
So, will they get more to sell at this price?

Interesting. I looked my purchase up. I paid $5450 US out the door back in April of 2015 for mine. I'm in California so that was including around 8% State Sales Tax. I used the local music store a mile from my house that is an authorized Roland dealer. They ordered it for me and I had it in about a week.

So in 8 years to have it only increase around $500 from what I paid isn't too shabby at all.
 
great, now we have something concrete on 2 points

1: the current MAP is obviously $5999.00
those of you who have been shopping FR8's regularly, what was the
previous MAP advertized (more or less) everywhere ?

2: they are obviously still not physically in stock

conclusion: until dealers start receiving merch to actually sell this is
some kind of game and we are the pawns

if a tree falls in the forest with no ears in sight, does it make a sound ?

if a price is dropped on an item that is no longer available, does it
do anything except cost anyone selling their pre-owned FR8 some cash ?

and (curious) what has been the typical used price for an FR8 ?
 
I purchased the last FR-8X Sweetwater had in stock last week for the new discounted price. I bought it as a backup for my 7 year old FR-8X, should they soon become unavailable.

I understand Kraft Music is expecting additional stock this week, presumably at the $6K price point.
 
September 15 has come and gone. No announcement that I could find to the general public. Once again, Ventura raises good points... what do the dealers know that we don't?
 
Maybe no one is in a rush to advertise it? But it is available to order at the new prices, at least here in Canada.
Depending on the model 1-2k CAD less.
 
The little CBA is listed at Sweetwater for a third off. Can't believe I'd even consider one of these, but at this discount it would be tempting if not for the issues discussed upthread. While two-voice 72-bass CBAs are out there in those dimensions and weight, to get a multi-voice at that weight and dimensions, you're looking at the LMM Saltarelle Bourroche, now in the $6K-plus range---[correction: $7K range and 2 lbs heavier]---or a Castagnari priced even higher. Other "compact" three-voice CBAS are bigger and heavier, often by quite a bit. That little Roland would be a dream size and weight for a multi-voice CBA, at a great price. But:

"Special-ordered from Roland and usually ships to you within a few weeks. Please note special orders cannot be canceled or returned."

"Note: While most of the items we sell ship for free, this item does not qualify for free shipping due to special circumstances."
 
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The little CBA is listed at Sweetwater for a third off. Can't believe I'd even consider one of these, but at this discount it would be tempting if not for the issues discussed upthread. While two-voice 72-bass CBAs are out there in those dimensions and weight, to get a multi-voice at that weight and dimensions, you're looking at the LMM Saltarelle Bourroche, now in the $6K-plus range---[correction: $7K range and 2 lbs heavier]---or a Castagnari priced even higher. Other "compact" three-voice CBAS are bigger and heavier, often by quite a bit. That little Roland would be a dream size and weight for a multi-voice CBA, at a great price. But:

"Special-ordered from Roland and usually ships to you within a few weeks. Please note special orders cannot be canceled or returned."

"Note: While most of the items we sell ship for free, this item does not qualify for free shipping due to special circumstances."
If I were to buy a CBA at this point (teaching myself free bass C- system on a Roland FR-4x) it would have to be a converter and about the same size as my 4x.I’ve heard too many people complain about “running out of notes” on the FR-1xb.
 
Well, I wasn't trying to convert the world to my use case. The baby CBA has all the notes I'd want or need.
 
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