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This would be interesting... TierMaker ranking of accordions / manufacturers

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Ever come across those "Tier lists" on YouTube with influencers ranking all kinds of different products / manufacturers?


Would be fascinating to read knowledgeable forum members' tier lists.

Template title example:

Accordion manufacturers past and present, ranked from A+ for the most prestigious, to E for mass market / low quality production.

AND / OR

Accordion models past and present, ranked from A+ for the most prestigious / unobtanium, to E for mass market / low quality product.


Or ignore the TierMaker and just post your ranking(s) here :)
 
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hmmm..
in a way that's easy

no-one ever gave the customer more value than Excelsior, and
they did it for longer than anyone else, from the Pro level to the Student,
consistency of product, signature sound, industry leading innovation..

if you find any model excelsior in decent shape, it will still serve you well,
and if you find a Rare one, it will be worth fixing up if you intend to keep it
and play the hell out of it for the rest of your life

to borrow a phrase.. no-one ever got fired for choosing an Excelsior
 
Very interesting, there is one near me in a (supposedly) perfect used condition, for a couple of grand. But I just bought a brand new accordion…
 
hmmm..
in a way that's easy

no-one ever gave the customer more value than Excelsior, and
they did it for longer than anyone else, from the Pro level to the Student,
consistency of product, signature sound, industry leading innovation..

if you find any model excelsior in decent shape, it will still serve you well,
and if you find a Rare one, it will be worth fixing up if you intend to keep it
and play the hell out of it for the rest of your life

to borrow a phrase.. no-one ever got fired for choosing an Excelsior
That was certainly true of the US-built Excelsiors. What do you think of the ones being produced today by Pigini/Excelsior?
 
hey Alan, well for me the continuity of their committment and philosophy
was fractured with the move to Pigini

i realise that for some of you die hards, the fracture occured when they
moved to Italy in the first place.. but for me it was still the same because
all the machines, tooling, shell forms and presses, everything was brought
over and most of it was set up (some machinery was still military mothballed in
steel barrels up in the storage area) so you had the continuity still.
i mean you can salvage parts off a New York to fix an Italian and vice versa
for the models that were continued through the transition (and up to the
time Pigini bought it)

now the accordion bodies are shared, the mechanics are shared.. while it is
possible Pigini replaced some of their tooling with the CEMEX equipment
they had to choose because there is not enough room at Pigini to have
brought it all. They did try and keep the Ex Electronics Dept going as a
unit but that was quietly, eventually closed too. That would have been the last
Electronics R&D in house Manufacturing unit in an Accordion factory, operating
continuously from New York then expanding during the Organ Accordion period
(Cosmos and Digisyzer were developed in house, as was MIDIVOX)

of course the Kiln could not be moved from CEMEX locatiopn, as it was
built in place.. it went cold and was used for Storage by Bompezzo for awhile,
i don't know who if anyone has the place now

don't forget they had the only Stradella mechanism with built in arms and
pins for electronic switch incorporation.. because they made it all in house and
were forward thinking enough to engineer it in and see the long term value
not just for themselves, but for US too. Did Pigini keep the Excelsior stradella
manufacturing equipment ?

they DID keep Art and continued to service his excelsiors

they even had the cellulose (not celluloid) equipment and unused sheet stock
for doing repairs on the pre-rocker models

there were some models of Student 3 reeders that were in continuous production
for near 60 years.. most parts interchangeable

Some of our repair people have addressed (with dissatisfaction) some of
the differences between Pigini and Cemex Excelsiors.. some people are happy with
the new ones, some are not.. but like the Petosa AM and the Giulietti and the Pan's
and the Super whatevers being built today, the original body forms were lost
to the past.. lost when factories were liquidated suddenly.. lost when executive
decisions were made, lost to the Fire, lost to Rust

if YOU feel, as I do, that an accordion is the result of it's ENTIRE engineering
and crafting, and that the special ones were partially ages and ages of trial and error
and then the result of partially a lucky or blessed congruence of EVERYTHING
that went into building them, then you will agree there is simply no way to
build another AM or Myron or Symphony, because once you lost the original
body forms you lost the unique dimensions, reflections, that contributed to
those blessed events being born/built. You cannot, even if you have a love
affair with the old brands as Maximilliano does, fully reverse engineer
every detail of the classics.. the materials are just not available.

so no, i do not want a new Excelsior from Pigini, but i wish them well
and am glad the name/brand is still alive and some of the models,
perhaps the AC is still special.. i don't know.
 
hey Alan, well for me the continuity of their committment and philosophy
was fractured with the move to Pigini

i realise that for some of you die hards, the fracture occured when they
moved to Italy in the first place.. but for me it was still the same because
all the machines, tooling, shell forms and presses, everything was brought
over and most of it was set up (some machinery was still military mothballed in
steel barrels up in the storage area) so you had the continuity still.
i mean you can salvage parts off a New York to fix an Italian and vice versa
for the models that were continued through the transition (and up to the
time Pigini bought it)

now the accordion bodies are shared, the mechanics are shared.. while it is
possible Pigini replaced some of their tooling with the CEMEX equipment
they had to choose because there is not enough room at Pigini to have
brought it all. They did try and keep the Ex Electronics Dept going as a
unit but that was quietly, eventually closed too. That would have been the last
Electronics R&D in house Manufacturing unit in an Accordion factory, operating
continuously from New York then expanding during the Organ Accordion period
(Cosmos and Digisyzer were developed in house, as was MIDIVOX)

of course the Kiln could not be moved from CEMEX locatiopn, as it was
built in place.. it went cold and was used for Storage by Bompezzo for awhile,
i don't know who if anyone has the place now

don't forget they had the only Stradella mechanism with built in arms and
pins for electronic switch incorporation.. because they made it all in house and
were forward thinking enough to engineer it in and see the long term value
not just for themselves, but for US too. Did Pigini keep the Excelsior stradella
manufacturing equipment ?

they DID keep Art and continued to service his excelsiors

they even had the cellulose (not celluloid) equipment and unused sheet stock
for doing repairs on the pre-rocker models

there were some models of Student 3 reeders that were in continuous production
for near 60 years.. most parts interchangeable

Some of our repair people have addressed (with dissatisfaction) some of
the differences between Pigini and Cemex Excelsiors.. some people are happy with
the new ones, some are not.. but like the Petosa AM and the Giulietti and the Pan's
and the Super whatevers being built today, the original body forms were lost
to the past.. lost when factories were liquidated suddenly.. lost when executive
decisions were made, lost to the Fire, lost to Rust

if YOU feel, as I do, that an accordion is the result of it's ENTIRE engineering
and crafting, and that the special ones were partially ages and ages of trial and error
and then the result of partially a lucky or blessed congruence of EVERYTHING
that went into building them, then you will agree there is simply no way to
build another AM or Myron or Symphony, because once you lost the original
body forms you lost the unique dimensions, reflections, that contributed to
those blessed events being born/built. You cannot, even if you have a love
affair with the old brands as Maximilliano does, fully reverse engineer
every detail of the classics.. the materials are just not available.

so no, i do not want a new Excelsior from Pigini, but i wish them well
and am glad the name/brand is still alive and some of the models,
perhaps the AC is still special.. i don't know.
I'm glad to hear you make the point "an accordion is the result of it's ENTIRE engineering and crafting, and that the special ones were partially ages and ages of trial and error and then the result of partially a lucky or blessed congruence of EVERYTHING that went into building them". That is sooo true. Many of the characteristics that make a great accordion great do not make a significant difference individually, but when you get them ALL right, they make a big difference.

This applies not only to accordion design/building, but also to accordion repair. A lot of people think they can repair an accordion without following proper procedures and without using proper materials, adhesives, wax, etc. Each repair done wrong takes a little bit away from the accordion's performance, longevity, etc. Too many wrong repairs, and a good accordion is no longer a good accordion.
 
A lot of people think they can repair an accordion without following proper procedures and without using proper materials, adhesives, wax, etc.
And there's a lot of truth in that.

It's also true that there may well be areas where materials and methods available today are simply flat out better suited for a task than materials and methods of three quarters of a century ago. Skillfully applied with techniques which optomized their use; but not neccesarily better just because they were used when nothing else was available.

A lot of progress was made twixt 1900 and 2023. There's no one point where "That's it, it can never get any better than this" was true, though many held tight to the past glories. The steps may be smaller- though such things tend to come in a no linear progression, but there's still room for improvement.


Duct tape (as it currently exists) on the bellows and cyanoacrylates on the valves is, however, a botch no matter how you cut it.
 
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A lot of people think they can repair an accordion without following proper procedures and without using proper materials, adhesives, wax, etc. Each repair done wrong takes a little bit away from the accordion's performance, longevity, etc. Too many wrong repairs, and a good accordion is no longer a good accordion.
This very true statement cannot be stressed enough!
I have seen too many botched repair and tuning jobs already, in the relatively short time that I have been repairing and tuning accordions.
My preferred repair and tuning jobs are jobs on accordions that are not yet too old and have not been touched by any repairer since they left the factory. Yes they will be quite a bit out of tune (after maybe 20 years) and they will still have their original manufacturing defects... but at least I don't have to correct the mistakes made by five other repairers...
 
There has been a lot of changes in the accordion manufacturing world over the last few decades...

Many of the great old accordion brands have passed away. The ones that remain are, in some ways, frail and not quite as exuberant as they once were. These things I can accept, but what saddens me the most is the realisation that there has been a fundamental change in the nature of our musical hobby...

Since the Victorian era until a couple of decades ago, the accordion has been a delightful instrument for the people; compact, with the ability to provide melodies, harmonies, self-accompaniments etc. Learners, hobbyists, professionals could enjoy it. Okay, so good accordions were never cheap instruments, but many were attainable with a lot of hard work to pay for them.

Nowadays, the good accordion is firmly a LUXURY item. The blatant price increases (well above inflation) that have been implemented over the last decade (without the actual product improving) is horrendous. A good new accordion has become a "play thing" for the affluent. Also the fresh-faced youngsters who trip off to accordion conservatoire where "I really need a Nova mummy, so I can express myself". Somehow it's okay to spend £28000+ on an accordion because the parents will honourably put themselves neck and heels in debt pay for it.

A Tier-list. Hmmm... more like a tear-list!
 
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Nowadays, the good accordion is firmly a LUXURY item. The blatant price increases (well above inflation) that have been implemented over the last decade (without the actual product improving) is horrendous. ...
These price increases I have seen happening over at least the past two decades. I can understand the influence of inflation, but accordion prices have gone up way beyond inflation. And at the same time quality has gone down. I'm not saying that the workmanship has declined, but less expensive materials are being used. In a distant past we saw corner cutting by Hohner, which put tipo-a-mano reeds in the treble side of the Morino (M series, when they still made the Morino themselves) and only machine-reeds in the bass side... Now we see accordion models that used to come with a mano reeds two decades ago be considered lower-end and only getting tipo-a-mano reeds for instance. They no longer have leather valves with metal booster springs (for lower notes) but faux-leather with plastic booster springs that don't last a decade under gravity. They no longer come with a decorative paper cover over the wax that bonds the levers to the wooden pallets. Who knows where else corners have been cut... The price of the "same" accordion may have "only" doubled in 20 years but that "same" accordion model is no longer the same, and the price of what is really the same quality accordion is now a different model that isn't double but three times the price of the equivalent instrument from 20 years ago.
No wonder that used accordions that are roughly between 15 and 25 years old are selling like hot cakes. New good quality accordions just have unbelievably high prices...
 
Affordability + (price relative) Quality = Piatanesi/Ottavianelli = Number 1, Top.

Della Noce same.

Just my 2 cents, I could be wrong, but I am happy. Thousands of Brazilians agree.
 
I have been dumbfounded at the grotesque price increases in recent years. Significantly in excess of inflation, and rising unceasingly despite no parallel increase in incomes. This is not a phenomenon only for the larger, classical/jazz/cassotto/etc. accordions that seem to be favored by many here. This is huge for the smaller folk-size accordions, the 34, 30, 26 key accordions. Well-made Italian folk-size PAs that once were expensive but aspirational are becoming out of reach for so many people. It's gotten to a point of, better scramble to find a way to grab that $3800 34/72 with Durall reeds now, because in next year's shipment they will be $4500. We won't talk about the version with decorations and TAM or hand reeds.

It's all fine to sniff and snort and look down on the Hohner Bravos and the Weltmeisters as some here do. But these are what passes for playable halfway-affordable folk PAs at present (and they're not so cheap these days). A Weltmeister with plastic bass mechanism and plastic blocks or a Bravo with flimsy plastic components and lightweight aluminum mechanism--these are today's only available new equivalent of the Hohner Students and Concertos of the past, which now seem as miraculous in their affordability, build quality, and iconic folk tone, as the Hohner Golas we've been discussing on another thread. And the Bravos and Welts also continue to rise in price year by year.

I also play concertina, and the unaffordability of those instruments has been a frequent topic among concertina geeks for years. Many are those who see and hear concertinas, are enchanted by them, and long to play, only to be crushed to learn the only examples in their reach are unplayable, tendonitis-inducing garbage. It's a joke but also a true fact that in Ireland where concertina has undergone a huge rise in popularity among traditional instruments, there are families who have to decide between replacing their worn-out car or getting their child a quality concertina. Welp, accordions will soon be in that category the way prices are going. Of course, the escape hatch for the folk player has been the availability of repairable good used German and Italian accordions. But how long can that last? Just about the only German Hohners on the auction site these days are in Bulgaria--this was far from the case even ten years ago, when they were falling out the trees.
 
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I cannot play, I am too prejudiced... LOL

I love my Hohners and love my Beltuna and Scandalli, Elka (SEM) and Iorio accordions! That said, I will say that I don't own anything newer than the 1980's and do not plan to (exception being the Beltuna that is in the 2000's).
 
Another thought on this theme. I am also a camera geek. A hot topic on camera forums is price increases in recent years, and the disappearance of affordable good-quality camera/lens kit packages. And indeed, the big-name camera makers have basically stated in recent press that they are focusing on high-end offerings for the professional and "enthusiast" buyer. In discussions about this, commenters note it as a response by camera producers to the loss in volume they've experienced due to people abandoning cameras for phones. So, where once they offered affordable good-quality stuff and sold it in huge volumes, they are making up for that by offering pricier stuff to a smaller, more premium target. Professionals who can write it off or who have it paid for by their employers, or well-heeled "enthusiasts."

This is probably a big factor in what's going on with accordion prices. Fewer people are interested in learning to play musical instruments, and that goes triple for the accordion. So they can't make their profit margin based on volume. And they are compensating to make up for the loss. Often with smoke-and-mirrors quote-unquote luxe enhancements. I've noticed with many folk-sized PA offerings they're adding perceived enhancements like TAM, and/or decorations, and/or a fourth voice to what was once a 34/72 LMM . . . along with a thousand-dollar price hike.

The sad thing about this phenom is it becomes a circular trap. The producers try to make up for reduced volume by going high-end and high-price. Thereby driving away potential customers who might get hooked for life and help sustain the product.
 
It seems all the 19th/20th century tech that is no longer mass market, sees the similar price hike.

Things like mechanical watches, cameras, "classic" (low tech) cars, turntables, and apparently, accordions :)
 
Another thought on this theme. I am also a camera geek. A hot topic on camera forums is price increases in recent years, and the disappearance of affordable good-quality camera/lens kit packages. And indeed, the big-name camera makers have basically stated in recent press that they are focusing on high-end offerings for the professional and "enthusiast" buyer. In discussions about this, commenters note it as a response by camera producers to the loss in volume they've experienced due to people abandoning cameras for phones. So, where once they offered affordable good-quality stuff and sold it in huge volumes, they are making up for that by offering pricier stuff to a smaller, more premium target. Professionals who can write it off or who have it paid for by their employers, or well-heeled "enthusiasts."

This is probably a big factor in what's going on with accordion prices. Fewer people are interested in learning to play musical instruments, and that goes triple for the accordion. So they can't make their profit margin based on volume. And they are compensating to make up for the loss. Often with smoke-and-mirrors quote-unquote luxe enhancements. I've noticed with many folk-sized PA offerings they're adding perceived enhancements like TAM, and/or decorations, and/or a fourth voice to what was once a 34/72 LMM . . . along with a thousand-dollar price hike.

The sad thing about this phenom is it becomes a circular trap. The producers try to make up for reduced volume by going high-end and high-price. Thereby driving away potential customers who might get hooked for life and help sustain the product.
There are a few significant issues driving accordion price increases:
1. Accordions are still labor-intensive to make (and to repair). That makes a huge difference in comparison to products that are mass-produced, like electronic keyboards.
2. Italy is now on the Euro. The exchange rate was hugely in our favor before Italy went on the Euro. Now it works against us (especially here in the USA).
3. The post-COVID shortage of labor (in nearly all fields) has led many people, unions, etc., to demand higher wages, which just creates inflation and screws those of us on a fixed income.
 
The accordion has to be one of the greatest musical instruments developed during the mid 19th to mid 20th century. I adore that it is basically a little black music box full of mechanics, reeds, keys and buttons. I love that it plays melody, harmony, bass, counterpoint in a compact package. Not only that but it is a perfect instrument for every possible variety of folk music and great swathes of classic, jazz and modern music too.

I fully understand how it could have become so immensely popular during the 1920s to early 1960. However, in this current era it now needs to compete with the television, computer, games consoles and social media as well as all the other traditional hobbies. Still, the accordion is a truly great instrument and I think it will return to some degree of popularity if it is promoted well. For example, I know there are great efforts in Italy to bring accordions into the classroom.

I will certainly offer my own children the gift of music and will happily teach them to play the accordion.

However, to add a little more perspective to the accordion prices issue. I recently received a price list from a well known accordion manufacturer who will remain nameless. Of course, the actual figures quoted are meaningless as I was offered an immediate discount. However, if I give an example:

The list price for a particular accordion model PA (41/120 4 voice, hand made reeds, cassotto) was just under 12000 Euros! If that is not scary enough the additional premium for the same accordion with Quint converter was an extra 5000 Euros. Even more eye-wateringly the premium for the same model with Chromatic converter was an extra 7000 Euros.

The smart money is clearly on shopping around, and ideally sourcing preowned accordions. However, if the prices do not settle down soon the gentrification of the accordion will be detrimental to the vibrancy of our instrument.​
 
Another thought on this theme. I am also a camera geek. A hot topic on camera forums is price increases in recent years, and the disappearance of affordable good-quality camera/lens kit packages. And indeed, the big-name camera makers have basically stated in recent press that they are focusing on high-end offerings for the professional and "enthusiast" buyer. In discussions about this, commenters note it as a response by camera producers to the loss in volume they've experienced due to people abandoning cameras for phones. So, where once they offered affordable good-quality stuff and sold it in huge volumes, they are making up for that by offering pricier stuff to a smaller, more premium target. Professionals who can write it off or who have it paid for by their employers, or well-heeled "enthusiasts."

This is probably a big factor in what's going on with accordion prices. ...
No offense but I have a different point of view. In the area of electronics products have essentially not become more expensive but have been technically improved a lot. My first "serious" camera was a Canon 300D dslr with 6MP and rubbish above ISO400. I had several other cameras since and they each cost about the same as what I paid for that Canon (without even compensating for inflation) and so for that same amount of money I now have a much better one. I bought my first really serious computer in 1989. It had an 80386 cpu (25Mhz), 4MB of ram and 150MB of disk and it cost $8.000. People nowadays complain that a new Macbook costs $2.000 or a bit more. My current one was around 3.000, with 16GB of ram and 2TB of ssd... Computers have become seriously cheaper over the past decades, and if you consider inflation cameras have become seriously cheaper as well.
As apposed to anything with electronics, (acoustic) accordions have hardly changed or improved at all in the past 2 or 3 decades, but they have become much more expensive, with prices going up much faster than inflation. And accordions that are two levels below the highest-end outnumber the sales of the high end ones by orders of magnitude. I know a few professionals who bought new high end accordions like the Pigini Sirius or even Nova. I know a few enthusiastic amateurs who bought a Sirius used, from professionals moving up to a Nova (or something else). From what I have seen the Bugari Champion-Cassotto and Artist-Cassotto accordions are quite popular, both new and used. Very few people buy something higher up in the range, and certainly not new. Accordion manufacturers who really focus on the very high end simply cannot survive. They need professionals to be advocates of their brand, but they really make their money on people following these professional and buying somewhat lower end accordions from that brand. It's not something comparable with the camera business where a serious alternative came to market. Many people are happy with the pictures they take with a camera-phone, so the market for compact cameras was essentially killed. There is nothing like that with accordions. The cheaper alternatives to "good" accordions are cheaper Chinese accordions which, sadly are not yet very good.. These Chinese ones may be killing off some of the Italian "student" accordions, but not yet the midrange.
 
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