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Transition from accordion to piano

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Mike K

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I am sure there are many like me that were trained on the accordion but then also attempted to transition to the piano or keyboards.   I have had no formal lessons on piano but have played it for better or worse for many years.   My right hand is strong as would be expected but my left hand is weak.   My style is not really a pianist style of playing, especially the left hand.   I have tried to build it up by doing Hanon exercises and other things but a couple of exercises and my left wrist starts getting painful and eventually will lock up on me.  I tend to play a lot of bass lines on piano rather than typical piano style.   Play more chords with lead on right hand.   When I play songs with arpeggios and the like on left hand, again the left hand gets painful.

Anybody done this transition and have recommendations on ways to build up the left hand and develop more of a piano style playing?

PS.   I have a digital keyboard, weighted (Yamah MOXF8 presently).   Little lighter touch than standard piano.   I used to play the grand piano at work and the fully mechanical keyboard is even tougher on the wrist.
 
Hey Mike,
You’re probably not getting replies because most have gone the other way, or just stuck with accordion.
I would say get a teacher who may notice something in your left hand positioning  that is causing pain. When I started to learn the left hand of the accordion, my hand hurt all the time. I know that a teacher would probably look at my playing and help me make the adjustments. Not only are the notes in a completely different place, but the technique is radically different.
Best of luck!
 
Eddy Yates said:
Hey Mike,
You’re probably not getting replies because most have gone the other way, or just stuck with accordion.
I would say get a teacher who may notice something in your left hand positioning  that is causing pain. When I started to learn the left hand of the accordion, my hand hurt all the time. I know that a teacher would probably look at my playing and help me make the adjustments. Not only are the notes in a completely different place, but the technique is radically different.
Best of luck!

That's true. I was playing the piano for 5 years before starting on the accordion. Picked up the lefthand side rather quickly, because I was still quite young (12 years or so). People who learn at a later age have more trouble. And that's true for going the other way as well. When you are no longer very young it takes much much more practice to get any good at playing a musical instrument you are not yet familiar with than when you learn as a child.
It's not just a matter of the fingers not being fast and strong enough but also of the brain that needs to tell the fingers what to do. A teacher may help with learning the basics but cannot really compensate for the problems that come from "old" age.
 
Hi Mike. One tip from me is make sure you are sitting sufficiently high so that your wrist is comfortably parallel with the keys (or even a little higher if it reduces wrist strain) . I too have an MOXF8 and I like it a lot but I do notice that the bed for the keys and other electronic gubbins is quite deep so you have to be careful on what type of stand you use to get the right height.
 
When I added piano playing after many years of accordion playing, I experienced much of what you described. My motivation was the richness of a piano, and the challenge of the 88. It is such a beautifully sounding stringed instrument.

Your current "style" is what I achieved as well. I was satisfied with that. Eventually I bought my one and only piano, a Kawai oak console, and kept at it. My style was fine because I could make some good music. I even had the opportunity to play in public venues quite a number of times.

One other thing. I couldn't carry my accordion with me whenever I went out. Often, however, at events or gatherings there sat a piano. It beckoned, I played, and had a great time. All I can say to you is please continue to go for it!(y)
 
I too went the other way and didn’t play accordion until my early 30s. I grew up surrounded by it, my father played and still plays occasionally today. Accordion wasn’t so “cool” so piano it was.
Hardly actually play piano anymore at all and haven’t looked back. I find to figure some jazz chord or something theoretical I’ll use the piano.
I actually feel like you do about the accordion, that perhaps a trained accordionist can tell I’m self taught. Sone of my bass fingerings I’m sure are different. I think hanon for piano is good for muscle memory and patterns. Repitition is what helped me at first make the change over.
 
The difficulties described here reminds me of the older adage about the cobbler and his last!?
 
Eddy , Jim,
"Dingo, I must have missed that fable. Can you enlighten me? Thanks."

As I've heard it used, it's simply a saying meaning, to avoid trouble, one should stick with what one has mastered (the last, being a characteristic cobbler's tool, being used here to represent his (her?) trade of shoemaking)
Clearly, there are other interpretations ?
 
I have no contribution other than my sympathy

I can play maybe 4 songs on piano, but always quit because of wrist pain. It never accomplishes to anything although I would like to. I just can't commit myself to it
 
In my humble opinion, the principle hurdle with starting anything in old age is not particularly physical restriction (though that can be a minor factor) but the mental baggage. With the wisdom of life experience we have a high expectation, focussing on the end result...and must have it right away! Naturally inspired by the virtuosi around us, we tend to ignore that their apparent success has come at a high cost.....practice , practice , practice....obsessively for many hours...no football...withdrawn from frivolous social development to a point where success at left hand technical exercises become a self fulfilling reward. No doubt much better to be a totally balance person with broader experience, but need to be realistic about entering a specialist activity at the top of the class. The same philosophy applies to most acquired skills, snooker, throwing darts, etc. I think with adult learning it's all too easy to give up when the end point doesn't happen instantly.....when you've decided to buy a commodity ...you want it now! Whereas with childhood learning, very often the boring bit is ridden through because there is an element of appeasement of parental direction.There is a threshold with instrument learning where the results act a a positive feedback fueling further effort. If that threshold is not surpassed, then when the driver relaxes, the learner will likely give up. In adults who have more choices and relying on the notion of a higher goal as a driver the threshold needs to be reached quicker to sustain the rewards. I have found playing in a band and having deadlines to meet, such as being booked to play for an occasion, a very helpful spur to action.

For what it's worth, I am in the process of going the other way to Mike K .....a pianist/organist adding the accordion to music making. Sympathise with the frustrations of picking up a different interface but do bear in mind the music emanating from the primary instrument is the outcome of acquired familiarity and it takes time to follow the new pathway to reach the same point. I don't believe we are born with the skill; more how we spend our time and most people can't do everything at once. In old age, I'm coming to appreciate the merits of repetitive exercises such as to be found in the much maligned works of Hanon, which is adapted for most instruments. For the accordion I have found working with Anzaghi's exercises is beneficial for quint FB technique. In my case a sort of turning point has been prioritising a couple of hours every day to basic exercises and scales, which I should have done many years ago instead of doing my real job full on and naively expecting the music would emerge by magic! A teacher is fine, particularly as an extra tool for inspiration and continued focus (ie got to do something for the next lesson) but sadly I conclude the key is daily practice, practice, practice. In some respects old age is an advantage because of the wisdom and freedom to chose what should be done and avoid wasting time on fruitless activities. Dare I say the bizarre restrictions imposed by our esteemed government supposedly in the cause of the virus pandemic, has revived my piano technique a treat. If motivated at any age.....you can do it!
 
Read my thoughts, and you articulated them quite well about the "principle hurdle" being mental baggage. And others have stated your same "sad" conclusion: "...the key is daily practice, practice, practice." I've noticed in my music endeavors that whenever I'm dedicated to consistent practice, the baggage becomes less to carry. Easier yet is when I add patience to practice. This works. Appreciate your insights. ~Bob
 
Thanks everyone for their thoughts. I did actually start on "flat keys" in my early years. I played a combo organ in rock bands, eventually got a Hammond M1, which was nice but a Pain to take anywhere. I also played some church organ at age 13. Wish I had an opportunity to do that again. I did not appreciate the huge pipe organs at that time. I also had a Wurlitzer Electric Piano which I thought was a piece of crap but sells for 2 grand now adays. My training though was with Basil Ronzitti on the accordion. He worked us hard, we competed in several states mainly Ohio, PA and NY, we had an accordion symphony, accordion quartets and did some fantastic music. Those days are gone at least in Central Virginia where I live now. Accordion is a niche instrument. People may listen as it reminds them of the old days and Lawrence Welk. Most of my accordion playing was at Senior homes. Have not played anywhere for 6 months now due to virus.

My Yamaha MOXf8 keyboard is what I use most because it fits the music that people appear to want to hear more than the accordion does.
 
Having played almost all styles of music on the piano professionally, I feel I really learned a lot from the great players of all those genres. The main thing I learned is that you serve THE MUSIC, and that any “correct” way to play is subservient to THE MUSIC. “Correct piano posture” is totally dependent upon what the music calls for. No “correct” teacher would ever say Thelonius Monk had “correct” posture, yet he played the way that was necessary for the music. The pianist pictured above is sitting correctly, maybe, for playing Mozart. Rachmaninoff requires something else, Stockhausen requires something completely different, and Jerry Lee Lewis requires yet another position.
Improvisers in any genre will adapt their technique to be able to go where the music asks them to go at the moment, so any particular hand position works against that. Curved fingers, for example, is such an outdated concept, only good for certain kinds of music. When I was young and returned to my hotel room from playing with a rock band at The Bottom Line in NYC, I was wide awake and turned on the TV to see Vladimir Horowitz in concert. I listened for a few minutes, then woke up even more.....Horowitz was playing with absolutely flat finger position. He made me realize that one could play faster and with more control by using fewer muscles and bringing in the weight of the arm to control volume. Not applicable to accordion, maybe, but I’m sure there are others who could offer their own stories about adaptations to “correct posture” in accordion playing.
 
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