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What makes a jazz accordion a jazz accordion….

What makes a jazz accordion is when it is played by Art VanDamme.
I hope everyone noticed they both play an accordion that goes up to high C. (And the keyboard goes down to low F, so it's not your "average" extended keyboard from low E to high C. It's specifically aimed at reaching high C.) They need that high range because they only play in the L register for the most mellow tone.
 
I hope everyone noticed they both play an accordion that goes up to high C. (And the keyboard goes down to low F, so it's not your "average" extended keyboard from low E to high C. It's specifically aimed at reaching high C.) They need that high range because they only play in the L register for the most mellow tone.
Indeed.
Sometimes it goes down to low F and sometimes to low G only. You are right that what matters really is reaching high C.
Excelsior and Excelsiola like that are well known but other brands also did it, such as this "Giulietti Jazz" model:

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However I think that the Sonola SS4 Ernie Felice vintage model is considered a jazz accordion and only went from low F to A, the traditional range.
Same with the current Petosa AM-1100 Jazz version (maybe it can have a different range but only if you specifically request it).
Doesn't quite tick all the boxes for a "Jazz accordion" for me... The criterion they are using appears to be focusing on the bassoon. That is not enough, not the whole package.
 
for me personally, nothing compares to MMM tuned in unison
one M in chamber, as my go-to sound for clean, sweet, rich, and
ridiculously quick "singing the song with my fingers" playing

i will never be mistaken as a jazz man, but i know what i like..

PS: that being my 960, and then the nearly identical emulation
i programmed originally into that first FR7

now on a Roland, take that sound as the counterpoint with the
perfect Sax tone on, for example, Take 5, and you have an excellent
A vs B tonal battle when you hit the master bar between passages

or Avalon, with a Benny Goodman clarinet as the alternate

when the MMM comes in on the Bridge it is so light, like floating on a cloud,
the sound takes you to a Spring Day on a cool hillside with a long, reverberating
view of some beautiful eternity

but i am not really playing jazz as i never stray very far from the Melody..
i mean you will always know what song i am playing within a few bars..
my version of "Cute" the drum track is jazzier than i am
 
Indeed.
Sometimes it goes down to low F and sometimes to low G only. You are right that what matters really is reaching high C.
Excelsior and Excelsiola like that are well known but other brands also did it, such as this "Giulietti Jazz" model:
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Frank Marocco was one of the few jazz players who mostly used a 41-key F to A (Victoria) accordion.
Victoria makes jazz accordions going from G to high C and I'm sure that other manufacturers will do the same as a special order.
Of course, people who play a Hohner Morino or Gola don't need the extended range because their M register is more mellow than the L register.
 
Frank Marocco was one of the few jazz players who mostly used a 41-key F to A (Victoria) accordion.
Victoria makes jazz accordions going from G to high C and I'm sure that other manufacturers will do the same as a special order.
Of course, people who play a Hohner Morino or Gola don't need the extended range because their M register is more mellow than the L register.
The 5-reed ones with a double cassotto. On my 4-reed Morino Artiste D (and the related main instrument of mine), the L register is more mellow (being the only one in a tone chamber) but the M register at least on my main one does a better job at being soft-spoken rather than dull. You have a more direct touch on its sound.

We don't need to mention the 4-reed Artiste N and S series with their inconsistent sound. I know that the piano Morino N series has a double cassotto even on the 4-reed instruments but have no idea about all the other PA 4-reeds.
 
The 5-reed ones with a double cassotto. On my 4-reed Morino Artiste D (and the related main instrument of mine), the L register is more mellow (being the only one in a tone chamber) but the M register at least on my main one does a better job at being soft-spoken rather than dull. You have a more direct touch on its sound.

We don't need to mention the 4-reed Artiste N and S series with their inconsistent sound. I know that the piano Morino N series has a double cassotto even on the 4-reed instruments but have no idea about all the other PA 4-reeds.
You are right. I should have said a PA Morino (or Gola). Hohner really messed up the Morino Artiste series after the D. And I believe it was deliberate because a friend of mine has a rare (prototype?) Artiste VI S with cassotto. Hohner never announced this model.
The 4 voice PA Morinos with double cassotto, up to the S series, had the M reeds more mellow than the L reeds. The later accordions that were called Morino were just Pigini accordions.
 
And I believe it was deliberate because a friend of mine has a rare (prototype?) Artiste VI S with cassotto. Hohner never announced this model.
It probably was something like Excelsior/Pigini saying "we don't do déclassement but look, we could do better" with Hohner then deciding "what, and reduce our margins and give people wanting a double cassotto less incentive to opt for 5-reed instruments they otherwise don't need?".

Honi soit qui mal y pense.
 
It probably was something like Excelsior/Pigini saying "we don't do déclassement but look, we could do better" with Hohner then deciding "what, and reduce our margins and give people wanting a double cassotto less incentive to opt for 5-reed instruments they otherwise don't need?".

Honi soit qui mal y pense.
This would sound plausible had Hohner not (later) introduced the "Romandie" model which is nothing other than an Artiste VI S with cassotto, just under a different name...
And people who did want a CBA with cassotto were often not really interested in the very large and heavy (besides also expensive) Artiste IX, X or XI models. The Artiste IV and VI N and S were nothing other than simply a disappointment.
 
I hope everyone noticed they both play an accordion that goes up to high C. (And the keyboard goes down to low F, so it's not your "average" extended keyboard from low E to high C. It's specifically aimed at reaching high C.) They need that high range because they only play in the L register for the most mellow tone.
My Colombo/Bugari accordion goes from low E to high C...45 keys total. I don't recall ever using either key in a song. I guess if you have bassoon reeds and wanted to sound like a clarinet you could use the upper keys?
 
I guess if you have bassoon reeds and wanted to sound like a clarinet you could use the upper keys?
Cassotto is pretty much the "flute" option. Approximating clarinet is actually rather tricky.
 
At jazz jams, I usually solo on single reed, L or M. Sometimes I imitate a trumpet section by playing fat chords on LM. When comping on a ballad, MM does a great job of playing “string section” obbligatos behind another singer or soloist.
 
My Colombo/Bugari accordion goes from low E to high C...45 keys total. I don't recall ever using either key in a song. I guess if you have bassoon reeds and wanted to sound like a clarinet you could use the upper keys?
From low E to high C is sometimes called an "extended keyboard". These keyboards are rather long and best suited for tall people. When you still want the high C a jazz accordion will start from low G, which shaves off about 4cm from the keyboard length, and that's a significant difference. (The G to C keyboard has only one more key than a standard 41-key F to A keyboard and slightly narrower keys compensate to make the keyboard only just as long.
I think low G was chosen because that is just as low as the violin can go. (And high C in the M register is about as high as most violinists can go. Only very very skilled violinists can play even higher notes and still get them right.)
 
No cassotto, but has a mute switch which soften the tones...no mute switch used in this video.
Maybe it would have helped to state your intent: it appeared that you wanted to contest my claim that cassotto sound is more like "flute" than "clarinet".
 
Maybe it would have helped to state your intent: it appeared that you wanted to contest my claim that cassotto sound is more like "flute" than "clarinet".
Please clarify...I'm not talking about cassotto. I'm talking about the registers on the accordion, Bassoon, violin, clarinet, flute, oboe, etc not an actual clarinet or flute. So if one has an extended keyboard you could play the high C scale with the bassoon switch and sound like the clarinet register an octave lower which is what I did in the video.
 
Please clarify...I'm not talking about cassotto. I'm talking about the registers on the accordion, Bassoon, violin, clarinet, flute, oboe, etc not an actual clarinet or flute. So if one has an extended keyboard you could play the high C scale with the bassoon switch and sound like the clarinet register an octave lower which is what I did in the video.
Almost always when a music score asks to use the M register I will play the L register an octave higher, because of the difference in sound. The "bassoon" switch played one octave higher almost never sounds the same as the "clarinet" register an octave lower. This is caused mostly by the resonance chambers inside the reed blocks not being the same, and the "mass" (structural strength) of the reed block not being the same in the position where the notes are. The L and M reeds themselves are exactly the same (looking at the reeds for the same frequency). It simply is where they are and how the sound is "manipulated" by the accordion in that position that causes the difference.
The names of the registers are just decorative suggestions. And on some older accordions even the "circle with dots" indication on the registers are more decorative than informative.
 
Almost always when a music score asks to use the M register I will play the L register an octave higher, because of the difference in sound.
CBA luxury. The score might have been afraid to run out of notes.
 
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