Glass Enthusiast
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Just Curious since I'm interested in learning the accordion looking for one that can be used in most music types but doesn't use midi
What would you say is a jack of trades accordion?
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Try to find one that can do this...
No instrument is suitable for everything a music creator (composer) can come up with.
No instrument is suitable for everything a music creator (composer) can come up with.
Dingo40
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GE,
Welcome
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It all depends on how fancy you want to be.
Also, certain musical genres are catered for by specialty accordions.
However, almost any accordion will do for a surprisingly wide variety of music (as long as you're not fanatical about "authenticity ")
So, really, it mostly depends on what's conveniently available to you by way of an accordion community, instruments and what you can afford.
Your interests are bound to evolve with time and your musical requirements change, so don't spend too lavishly at the outset
Depending on where you live, you'll need to decide whether you need a bisonoric, chromatic button accordion ( two main types) or piano (several different numbers of bass buttons).
I suggest you frequent any venues featuring live accordion music in your locality and pester any accordionists you find (including any buskers) and spend an hour or two daily surfing accordion related websites, before jumping in
Take a couple of accordion lessons with a local teacher, renting an instrument from them while you get some hands on experience
Good luck!
You may like to check out these guys?
Welcome
.It all depends on how fancy you want to be
.Also, certain musical genres are catered for by specialty accordions.
However, almost any accordion will do for a surprisingly wide variety of music (as long as you're not fanatical about "authenticity ")
So, really, it mostly depends on what's conveniently available to you by way of an accordion community, instruments and what you can afford.
Your interests are bound to evolve with time and your musical requirements change, so don't spend too lavishly at the outset
Depending on where you live, you'll need to decide whether you need a bisonoric, chromatic button accordion ( two main types) or piano (several different numbers of bass buttons).
I suggest you frequent any venues featuring live accordion music in your locality and pester any accordionists you find (including any buskers) and spend an hour or two daily surfing accordion related websites, before jumping in
Take a couple of accordion lessons with a local teacher, renting an instrument from them while you get some hands on experience
Good luck!
You may like to check out these guys?
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Walker
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The accordion by it's nature is versatile. How versatile? That depends on the musician.
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Try a chromatic c system small 2 voice lots on Leboncoin in France.(e bay equivalent) NB: Above is a personal opinion. Get some Lars Holm fingering tutor material widely available. You can play almost any genre- -
then the sky is the limit.
Godgi. Just stumbled on this in the US looks just the the instrument for u. It's advertised below. Just make sure the base section is 2/3 which i am fairly it is.
Godgi
then the sky is the limit.
Godgi. Just stumbled on this in the US looks just the the instrument for u. It's advertised below. Just make sure the base section is 2/3 which i am fairly it is.
Godgi
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Triple that stanza's duration and the V-accordion still can do that with zero effort and longer... LOLTry to find one that can do this...
No instrument is suitable for everything a music creator (composer) can come up with.
The length of the note is not the issue. It's the crescendo in the treble while doing diminuendo in the bass at the same time. I doubt even the Roland can do that.
Ventura
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ages ago on one of my MIDI racks, i had a trick Volume Pedal
(stereo pot wired opposite) that would pan between two different
synth sounds, allowing for just such a dynamic
(stereo pot wired opposite) that would pan between two different
synth sounds, allowing for just such a dynamic
Dingo (above) is giving excellent advice. Since you're in San Diego, I would recommend a small (lighter), used piano accordion, condition (playability) being the most important factor. Unless you're into tex mex in which case get a Hohner Panther. Good luck!
Alan Sharkis
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I’m kind of curious about why you wouldn’t want midi? Maybe my curiosity is there because midi has been so much a part of my life.
Let me ask you something: If somebody brought you the right accordion at the right price and it also contained midi, and you were told that you didn’t have to connect the accordion or turn the midi on, would you still reject that accordion?
Alan Sharkis
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I can think of a way in which this would be possible. It would require a multi-division pipe organ …Try to find one that can do this...
No instrument is suitable for everything a music creator (composer) can come up with.
It would take a different setting of my bellows control, but yes, it is doable.
I cannot recall which video it is in, I think it is accordions rising where they have some eccentric older lady that was spending a lot of time doing just that. In the video she was saying that she was experimenting with long notes. Why, I have no idea, musically its not the most exciting thing to listen to.
I'd like to learn how bellows can produce 'cresc' and 'dim' simultaneously?
To try to be of help to the OP:
For decades, Hohner were famous for 'work-horse' accordions. Maybe that would be a place to start?
Possible research:
Look at what's used for something a bit niche (Zydeco?) then see if you find the same models in more mainstream music.
Warning - No clear answer guaranteed but listening should be fun.
To try to be of help to the OP:
For decades, Hohner were famous for 'work-horse' accordions. Maybe that would be a place to start?
Possible research:
Look at what's used for something a bit niche (Zydeco?) then see if you find the same models in more mainstream music.
Warning - No clear answer guaranteed but listening should be fun.
To try to help the OP as well, if size and weight are less of an issue than possibilities then a 5 voice LMMMH accordion with the ability to select the different M combinations and with LM in cassotto is what comes closest to a "Jack of all trades". To avoid having 30 registers some of these will let you select one of the M reeds separately from the four other voices. When that is a dry-tuned M you can get everything from a "normal" LMMH accordion (with tremolo) and everything from a dry-tuned LMMH accordion, and more. To get even more out of it you should get it as a button accordion with many notes (instead of a piano accordion with fewer notes).
Alan Sharkis
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There is a Brandoni model that a dealer I know keeps on display. It is LMMMH, has 25 registers, has a beautiful natural wood finish and probably weighs a ton! But I wonder if it can be used to do that ‘impossible’ challenge.
I sounds like it should be a very versatile instrument. But no, it cannot do the "impossible" challenge because no accordion can.
To be honest, and to make an analogy, I don't think the glass enthusiast needs a 1000 cubic foot annealer with remote wifi controls, multi fuel adapter, and auto lift top. A sub $500 used accordion in PLAYABLE shape should be what's needed to get going, piano, button or diatonic depending.
Waiting for the video that proves Paul's challenge
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Waiting for the video that proves Paul's challenge
.Just to give the full saying:
"Jack of all trades - and master of none."
"Jack of all trades - and master of none."
Walker
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To be honest, I find the term jack of all trades accordion a bit peculiar. I have heard of human beings referred to as 'a jack of all trades and master of none' meaning that they dabble in a bit of everything but never specialise and become a true expert at one particular task. But the idea that this term applies to musical instruments, makes little sense to me.
I still feel that the musician can either play a bit of everything or can specialise in one genre. To me this makes sense. As I said previously an accordion is a versatile instrument, but it is only brought to life by the musician. Yes there are button instruments and piano instruments. I prefer piano others prefer button. But if folk believe the button accordion is the ultimate jack of all trades instrument, then who am I to argue - it certainly has lots of buttons.
I still feel that the musician can either play a bit of everything or can specialise in one genre. To me this makes sense. As I said previously an accordion is a versatile instrument, but it is only brought to life by the musician. Yes there are button instruments and piano instruments. I prefer piano others prefer button. But if folk believe the button accordion is the ultimate jack of all trades instrument, then who am I to argue - it certainly has lots of buttons.
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Alan Sharkis
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So, I go back to my original thought, but this time I’ll elaborate. We need a pipe organ with multiple divisions, two of which are in chambers equipped with swell shutters. The organist has swell pedals for those two divisions. He couples the pedal board to onne manual, so that he can play that manual in bass clef and opens a stop to one of the divisions in a swell chamber. He couples a second manual to the second division in its own swell chamber. He now has both hands and both feet free, so he closes one of the swells, plays the appropriate notes on both manuals while gradually closing the open swell while opening the closed one.
But on an accordion? Nope!
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