Artificial lack of intelligence?

[Thomas N]

I practice accordion - a lot. I have for years. I'm above mediocre. I'm nowhere near the greats, but definitely have arrived at a place where I can play most pieces I enjoy to a level I am happy with.

I watched a 12 year old Chinese accordion-playing prodigy on YouTube a while back. He absolutely destroyed me with technical ability and flawless playing at speeds I've only seen the greats achieve. But it had zero soul. Perhaps that will come as he ages, perhaps it will never arrive.

AI will never be able to achieve playing the accordion with soul. And that's why we'll always be in demand.

 

[murathan]

I think whats called A.I. is nothing but a very complex repeat machine. Its so vast and uses so much corrections before the end data, it looks like a thought ending. It certainly generalizes (which what actually does anyways) so its bad at ordered objects like a keyboard. Thinking or not is not crucial for an apocalypse or a task actually. Because tasks are before-thought repeated blocks of actions.

 

[murathan]

I practice accordion - a lot. I have for years. I'm above mediocre. I'm nowhere near the greats, but definitely have arrived at a place where I can play most pieces I enjoy to a level I am happy with.

I watched a 12 year old Chinese accordion-playing prodigy on YouTube a while back. He absolutely destroyed me with technical ability and flawless playing at speeds I've only seen the greats achieve. But it had zero soul. Perhaps that will come as he ages, perhaps it will never arrive.

AI will never be able to achieve playing the accordion with soul. And that's why we'll always be in demand.

Interesting part is what is a creation or artwork. Its a controlled mix of other artworks we can say. It now is in that stage. It mixes not so well but that may be fixed. There are digital visual artists now, they get a base from A.I. and with a little correction, they become beautiful paintings like Kaoru Yamada: https://www.tuttartpitturasculturapoesiamusica.com/2024/01/kaoru-yamada.html

 

[Rodney]

How are these people playing without straps?

I use a stand but hate to think how it might support the accordions in those pictures!

 

[Tom]

Interesting part is what is a creation or artwork. Its a controlled mix of other artworks we can say. It now is in that stage. It mixes not so well but that may be fixed. There are digital visual artists now, they get a base from A.I. and with a little correction, they become beautiful paintings like Kaoru Yamada: https://www.tuttartpitturasculturapoesiamusica.com/2024/01/kaoru-yamada.html

Yeah, I think this is the best use of AI at this point. It can generate interesting ideas that can then be the base of an image with personality. Yamaha’s work is very cool, thanks!

 

[Xiane]

A severe case of accordion acne. You should not press those buttons or it may leave scarring and only more will turn up.

You say that like more buttons is a bad thing...

 

[Xiane]

Yeah, we’re still working on it. It’s getting closer. Much better than when I started and I am using a very primitive (spelled “free”) generator. I talk to my daughter about how she uses AI in her job. I could have saved a lot of time in mine with judicious use of AI. Yes, it will replace some jobs, no doubt. But I would worry more about other human failings first, like invading armies. Now there is some serious job loss. Technology always replaces jobs. Talk to any old handmade reed maker….

Remember, this is a “painting,” it’s not supposed to be “real.” Kind of like a Roland.

Just saying.

She must be really strong...

 

[Xiane]

Based on Walkers ask, and not to foul up the other thread, I decided to chef up a fantastical imagination of our baroque man working on his

Ever thought about adding Bach's Toccata & Fugue in D minor to your accordion repertoire?

With his equal temperament converter accordion.

So the accordion is nearly plausible, the hands are getting better, and I guess we can only hope fashion moves in this direction, given the otherwise highly anachronistic eyeglasses. And I guess the accordion itself, as it's not a particularly ancient instrument...

 

[Xiane]

A.I. is a part of getting "replaced by robots". Many jobs are already replaced by digital systems. The A.I. makes that further for a thinking robot, making the abilities of a robot to every job you can imagine. Evolution process in real life takes at least thousands of years while time factor is almost instant in modern advanced computers. When something is about to start to change peoples lives, they open these free to make people used to, to make more acceptable the change.

What we can hope for is that the ML (let's not say "intelligence") powered systems will lead to things like robots picking strawberries, mining, and cleaning up rivers and oceans

 

[tcabot]

Unfortunately, they are more likely to end up be used for identifying targets for gliding bombs and generating illegal pornography.

But hey, at least they might put all of the instagram "influencer" types out of their income. About time they got a proper value-adding, tax-paying job instead of engaging in unregulated advertising activities.

 

[dak]

Unfortunately, they are more likely to end up be used for identifying targets for gliding bombs and generating illegal pornography.

But hey, at least they might put all of the instagram "influencer" types out of their income. About time they got a proper value-adding, tax-paying job instead of engaging in unregulated advertising activities.

I am afraid you don't understand our economy. In the last century, work times have dropped by half. Productivity has risen easily a hundredfold. If you want to keep people employed (and the social system has no real alternative), you need to drastically reduce the lifetime of products (by having them break or become unfashionable) and market lots of products that don't fit the bill of "necessary". Influencers play a measurable part in keeping our waste economy alive.

The majority of work needs to be directed not at "value-adding" but at "value-digestion" to keep the pipes from clogging up and causing a recession.

The alternative would be fundamentally rethinking the question about social norms and ideals, advertising, sustainability, and self-worth. Influencers are the lesser evil. At least they provide you with someone to look down to, and that's an important element for social stability.

 

[tcabot]

I am afraid you don't understand our economy

Oh I understand it very well, I just don't agree with it.

 

[dak]

Oh I understand it very well, I just don't agree with it.

Well, the old principles of society are not a good match in scale to the possibilities of modern technology, so wanting to return to them would be not more than nostalgia. But nobody has a real plan of where to move with the new realities, and how to make that move work with people's desires, priorities, dreams and morals, all of which are rooted in literature and culture that has matured on different backgrounds.

"Star Trek" was about imaging a society unfettered by our existing cultures and economies, but of course it is here that we need to move to the future, not in space. And instead we are waging wars here based on desires to turn the clock back rather than forward. When we actually cannot even afford to keep it where it is.

 

[tcabot]

Wars are not being waged to turn the clock back. They are being waged so that a select few make a lot of money on thousands of people dying.
But we've strayed well away from the artificial stupidity topic

 

[dak]

Wars are not being waged to turn the clock back. They are being waged so that a select few make a lot of money on thousands of people dying.
But we've strayed well away from the artificial stupidity topic

But where would artificial stupidity be without natural and systemic stupidity?

 

[dak]

I think whats called A.I. is nothing but a very complex repeat machine.

Looking at history, I am not sure that humanity is so very much different. Learning from mistakes is for individuals if at all. Collectively, learning is not something in much demand.

 

[murathan]

 

[GeorgeH76]

At least the AI got the right amount of fingers this time, but those thumbs look real long.

It looks anatomically right as the thumb has one joint and the fingers two joints

 

[tcabot]

3 octaves in the treble and 8 basses in the left.
Also, only 9 bellows folds. How am I supposed to play this thing in heaven for eternity?
(Are accordions even allowed in heaven?)

If my kids put my ashes into an urn with AI-generated images on it, I'll come back from the dead and haunt them!

 

[SteveBox]

(Are accordions even allowed in heaven?)