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Hi Dingo,

I don't know whether or not you will view my comment as "pertinent", but electronic instruments are not my cup of tea. Those for whom this kind of witchcraft is appealing will hold a different view, and I absolutely respect their right to do so.

Kind Regards,

Stephen. (written in my cave)
 
I’m not sure it’s fully electronic. I think it’s just got microphones and preamp with volume and tone. The noise is made by reeds and air.
 
Chrisrayner said:
I’m not sure it’s fully electronic.  I think it’s just got microphones and preamp with volume and tone.  The noise is made by reeds and air.
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Dingo,

Never heard of the make before, although if you Google it you do get a few pics of various Belmont models. 

The listing description states "Simply plug in and play", and that suggests (to me) that it's fully electronic, but I wouldn't know.

Chris may be right, and it could be a "semi-acoustic". 

I'm sure somebody will know what the situation is.
 
Sorry, guys,
It looks like I didn't pick such a good conversation starter after all   :P
 
This might be a conversation ender but to my ear the hardest instruments to sample realistically are trumpet.....and accordion. Actually, any solo instrument. There are just too many lovable quirks and variations. In an ensemble, they sound reasonably good, but solo, it just feels a little like something really important is missing. Of course, there are great players of these instruments, but “ain’t nothin’ like the real thing, baby.”
There’s a lot of “music” out there being made by people who can’t play an instrument or sing, so machine music has its appeal. The artist on the latest cover of Rolling Stone magazine was quoted as saying it was just an incredible waste of time for her to learn how to play a real instrument. She “makes” music by pasting together chunks of other musicians’ playing. Of course this is nothing new and is really prevalent, but just putting it down in words makes it seem weirdly wrong. Just my humble opinion.
 
Hi Eddy,

You & I appear to share a dislike of "plastic" music and "plastic" musicians. I really don't wish to sound frumpy, but I abhor what the music industry has become.

One female "singer" springs readily to mind, though I won't name her for fear of litigation. On the odd occasion I have seen and heard her on TV, I have experienced an irrational desire to throw things at her image. Her voice is grating, and she could not hold a note in a bucket. Inexplicably, however, she seems to make an awful lot of money from her total lack of musical talent.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
 
Stephen Hawkins said:
Hi Eddy,

You & I appear to share a dislike of "plastic" music and "plastic" musicians.  I really don't wish to sound frumpy, but I abhor what the music industry has become.

One female "singer" springs readily to mind, though I won't name her for fear of litigation.  On the odd occasion I have seen and heard her on TV, I have experienced an irrational desire to throw things at her image.  Her voice is grating, and she could not hold a note in a bucket.  Inexplicably, however, she seems to make an awful lot of money from her total lack of musical talent.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
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Many many candidates for this accolade.  My favourite would be a US singer who goes by the Italian word for my lady.
 
Yeah, talent and musicality and money making don't seem that related... Hmmm....la mia donna? Maybe you mean, "but, lady" Ma, donna???
 
Apologies for high jacking this thread out of the “makes and models” category, Dingo. What did you think of the ad that started this discussion?
Whatever the box was, I see that somebody liked it well enough to buy it.
And lest I seem totally grumpy, which I am often enough, there are an incredible number of remarkable young musicians of all sorts who can play and sing like crazy.
 
Hi Chris,

You are absolutely right ...... there are many candidates for c**p musician of the year. Heading the field, however, must be R*ta O*a, who possesses a voice which could curdle milk.

As Eddy rightly points out, there are some extremely talented young musicians out there. It is such a pity that prodigious talent is less commercial than scantily dressed but otherwise talent-less girls, and wanna be gangsters who scream out random rhyming words which amount to nothing more than gibberish. Some of the songs I have heard over the last decade or so point to the writers having incredibly warped minds.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
 
EStephen Hawkins said:
Hi Chris,

You are absolutely right ...... there are many candidates for c**p musician of the year.  Heading the field, however, must be R*ta O*a, who possesses a voice which could curdle milk.

As Eddy rightly points out, there are some extremely talented young musicians out there.  It is such a pity that prodigious talent is less commercial than scantily dressed but otherwise talent-less girls, and wanna be gangsters who scream out random rhyming words which amount to nothing more than gibberish.  Some of the songs I have heard over the last decade or so point to the writers having incredibly warped minds.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
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Indeed, there’s music, and then there is the preening narcissist puerile phenomenon of ‘pop’ music.  I was fortunate enough to attend a concert of the Beatles second U.K. tour.  They were also on the bill with Roy Orbison.  The audience listened to Orbison who performed with minimal accompaniment, mostly his own Telecaster, IIRC.  When John, Paul, George & Ringo came on the music was barely audible over the hysterical female screaming.  I quite like the Beatles, on records.

As for the sneering violent aggressive ??? Which some ‘artists’ purvey, I’d rather draw my own teeth with a pair of rusty pliers.  Without anaesthetic.  In the dark.
 
Hi Chris,

My goodness ....... You are bob on. Popular music (and folk) seem to be interconnected in many ways, with both providing a means of communicating a story or a sentiment. The kind of "slap your bitch" stuff is definitely the product of a warped and feeble mind, and I can find no justification or reasonable mitigation for this utter rubbish.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
 
Guys,

To paraphrase:

"The young will always be with us!"

And there's nothing we can do about it! :)
 
Dingo40 said:
Guys,

To paraphrase:

"The young will always be with us!"

And there's nothing we can do about it! :)
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That's a very good thing! I think there are a few "not youngs" in the world who have messed stuff up quite a bit.  Okay..... back to the original instrument in the thread. 
I just watched "Echo in the Canyon", about Bob Dylan's son, Jacob, interviewing a bunch of L.A Laurel Canyon survivors from the 60s and 70s. Really wonderful film, but one of the things that impressed me the most was that Dylan's band were all playing REAL instruments, and seriously well. I'm playing a concert this summer with some of that generation, and I'll bet that if I tell them I'm going to play accordion on some pieces that they'll welcome me if I bring my Bugari, but kick me off stage if I show up with an EVO or some such other thing like that.
 
"If you're gonna play the Gameboy, you gotta learn to play it right."
--Kenny Rogers

when he was teaching his kids how to play Super Mario

even he was into electronics
 
Nice fella, that Kenny.
I wrote my first movie score with a computer and the first MIDI sequencer from Cakewalk in 1984.
I love electronics. I’m just saying that sampled instruments, next to the real thing, exposed, are very lacking in uh, reality, and just don’t win in comparison.
If you use them as their own entity with their own characteristics, especially in ensemble, they work fine.
IMHO
If I were in a bar and somebody was playing a real accordion, reasonably okay, I’d stay and listen. If they were playing an EVO, I’d leave and go to the next bar.
 
I don't know, I think I'd stay for a well played Evo over a poorly played Scandalli... Just saying...
 
Oh...I KNOW I'm gonna get in trouble with this. I haven't heard one yet.
Please show me the way....
 
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