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Damaged treble pallets and what to replace them with. A new "Scandalous Accordian".... I could not resist!

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I recently acquired an 80 bass Scandalli 666/181. It was bought as an unplayable “project”, but I am hopeful that after a considerable amount of work through the winter months, it will be a lovely accordion. There had been two spelling mistakes the first time the accordion was advertised, and the headline read “Scandalous Accordian”. Naturally I could not resist something scandalous!
20240530_0024.jpg
Most notes on the keyboard played, a few did not, and some did not sound all that happy, but most were reasonably in tune. The bass buttons all worked, although the register selector was jammed. Buttons and keys had a nice action, the keyboard was level and the bellows had good compression.

Opening it up was very interesting. The case was nicely made from mahogany. The reeds looked in good condition with very little sign of rust. As would be expected, all the valves need replacing and the reed plates need re-waxing.

The reason for some treble notes not sounding was immediately obvious, as three reeds were missing! I later found two of them locked in a passionate embrace in a fold of the bellows. The other missing one is currently lost without trace, fortunately it is the highest note on one of the reed blocks, so I can probably do without it for a while.
20240530_0003.jpg
There was damage to the reed block that had lost two of the reeds, it had suffered an impact at one end that had cracked it and left gaps so some basic wood work will be required to sort that out once I have removed the reeds.
20240530_0006.jpg
Unfortunately the damaged reed block had become firmly stuck to the gasket that was under it, probably someone had smeared glue around, and I will have to repair or replace the gasket. I assume that some very thin felt would be the right material to use for that, or would you use leather?
20240530_0015.jpg
The accordion may have been dropped at some point as there are a few cracks to mend, one in the corner of the case not far from the damaged reed block, and also on the front corners near the keyboard.
20240527_0076.jpg
The biggest problem area that I can see concerns the treble pallets and their felts. Thirteen of the pallets have some damage, and some have had the felt eaten away, possibly by insects? When I first opened the accordion it really was a filthy mess around the pallets and the back of the keyboard, but I took the instrument outside and, after carefully removing the treble reed blocks, I cleaned out most of the debris with compressed air.
20240530_0021.jpg
The damage to the pallets looks strange to me, maybe others have seen something like it, but it appears like some have partly melted and distorted, either by heat or chemical reaction. On some, but not all, the felt is really discoloured.
20240527_0038.jpg
I have been searching online for replacement pallets, but have not had much luck so far. These ones measure 48 x 12 mm and appear to be made out of some sort of black plastic. The felt in most of them is about 4mm thick, but four of the pallets have felt that is only about 1.5 thick.

I have seen wooden pallets online, and some Hohner aluminium pallets that are slightly larger at 49 x 13mm. Do you think that the Hohner ones could be adapted to work?Having seen Italian wooden pallets online, I do wonder if I could make some out of bass wood that can be purchased for model making.

Do any of you know the age of this accordion, my guess is 60 – 70 years, but someone might know?

Thank you!
 
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I recently acquired an 80 bass Scandalli 666/181. It was bought as an unplayable “project”, but I am hopeful that after a considerable amount of work through the winter months, it will be a lovely accordion. There had been two spelling mistakes the first time the accordion was advertised, and the headline read “Scandalous Accordian”. Naturally I could not resist something scandalous!
20240530_0024.jpg
Most notes on the keyboard played, a few did not, and some did not sound all that happy, but most were reasonably in tune. The bass buttons all worked, although the register selector was jammed. Buttons and keys had a nice action, the keyboard was level and the bellows had good compression.

Opening it up was very interesting. The case was nicely made from mahogany. The reeds looked in good condition with very little sign of rust. As would be expected, all the valves need replacing and the reed plates need re-waxing.

The reason for some treble notes not sounding was immediately obvious, as three reeds were missing! I later found two of them locked in a passionate embrace in a fold of the bellows. The other missing one is currently lost without trace, fortunately it is the highest note on one of the reed blocks, so I can probably do without it for a while.
20240530_0003.jpg
There was damage to the reed block that had lost two of the reeds, it had suffered an impact at one end that had cracked it and left gaps so some basic wood work will be required to sort that out once I have removed the reeds.
20240530_0006.jpg
Unfortunately the damaged reed block had become firmly stuck to the gasket that was under it, probably someone had smeared glue around, and I will have to repair or replace the gasket. I assume that some very thin felt would be the right material to use for that, or would you use leather?
20240530_0015.jpg
The accordion may have been dropped at some point as there are a few cracks to mend, one in the corner of the case not far from the damaged reed block, and also on the front corners near the keyboard.
20240527_0076.jpg
The biggest problem area that I can see concerns the treble pallets and their felts. Thirteen of the pallets have some damage, and some have had the felt eaten away, possibly by insects? When I first opened the accordion it really was a filthy mess around the pallets and the back of the keyboard, but I took the instrument outside and, after carefully removing the treble reed blocks, I cleaned out most of the debris with compressed air.
20240530_0021.jpg
The damage to the pallets looks strange to me, maybe others have seen something like it, but it appears like some have partly melted and distorted, either by heat or chemical reaction. On some, but not all, the felt is really discoloured.
20240527_0038.jpg
I have been searching online for replacement pallets, but have not had much luck so far. These ones measure 48 x 12 mm and appear to be made out of some sort of black plastic. The felt in most of them is about 4mm thick, but four of the pallets have felt that is only about 1.5 thick.

I have seen wooden pallets online, and some Hohner aluminium pallets that are slightly larger at 49 x 13mm. Do you think that the Hohner ones could be adapted to work?Having seen Italian wooden pallets online, I do wonder if I could make some out of bass wood that can be purchased for model making.

Do any of you know the age of this accordion, my guess is 60 – 70 years, but someone might know?

Thank you!

More of a 'rebuild' job than a 'restoration' by the looks of those pictures. :rolleyes:

It should keep you out of trouble for an hour or so ;)
 
I fear that murathan has made the most sensible possible suggestion.

However, there are funny folk like us who enjoy challenges and at least walk in with eyes open and expectations low (I'm a multiple offender). You've certainly got a 'project' there! I half-remember the listing - I'm relieved I wasn't tempted!

The deformation of the plastic pallets is interesting. Plastics, particularly thermoplastics, have been around for less than about a century, and many have begun to show various ways of deteriorating - they can't necessarily be relied upon. I wonder whether these have deteriorated because of a reaction between the plastic and whatever glue was used to attach the facings, or whether some idiot has applied some solvent to 'clean' things up. I wouldn't have thought it would be difficult to source suitable wooden pallets, ready-made. My impression is that various timbers, not just lime / bass have been used for pallets, and they should be an interesting DIY job, given a router and suitable cutters.

NZ moths certainly like felt, so you'll probably find little tunnels in the pallets' felt, and in any other felt in the box, and pupa cases and frass everywhere. (How do I know...?) Any borer, just to add a little bio-diversity?

I have a somewhat earlier Scandalli. It also has a similar compound mechanism on a small number (can't remember...) of treble keys. There are also a couple of treble pallets with facings thinner than all the others, and I've noticed that on another example. I don't understand why. I think all the facings are original. I'm coming to the conclusion that Scandalli did some odd things...

The foundation plate gasket is thin leather, suede-side up.
I think the visible celluloid splits at the keyboard corner will be associated with significant underlying wood damage.
The only reaction possible to the reed block damage is WTF!?

I think this box is younger than my Scandalli, which has metal mute flaps and a curved array of thirteen treble switches. I believe mine dates from the 1950s, probably the first half.

I'd imagine that everything you'll need is available from Carini DE NA (www.carinidena.com), but good luck with the web site - it's chaos, as far as I'm concerned; I've no idea how anyone copes with it!
 
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I think this box is younger than my Scandalli, which has metal mute flaps and a curved array of thirteen treble switches. I believe mine dates from the 1950s, probably the first half.

I'd imagine that everything you'll need is available from Carini DE NA (www.carinidena.com), but good luck with the web site - it's chaos, as far as I'm concerned; I've no idea how anyone copes with it!
The most important clue as to the age is the keyboard design. That is a more modern design that manufacturers started using in the '50s so indeed this box must be younger than yours. My guess would be early 1960's, plus or minus 5 years, but I could be off by a bit more...
The Carini website is my source for all accordion parts. Many people don't realize that under the small Italian flag icon is a drop down menu (with just two items) from which you can select the British flag to get an English version of the site. Not all the translations may make sense and I tend to use the Italian version. For instance: "componenti fisarmonica" is a menu with an item "tastiera e meccanica" which is a submenu with an item "valvole" and there it lists 11 pages full of different pallets, metal, wood, plastic, in all possible different sizes. This one: https://carinidena.it/MS5ECOMMERCE60/jsp/eco_cc_home_bs_portlet.jsp?p=dettarti&codarti=4908 is a plastic one in 49x12mm. They even sell this with 4mm thick felt+leather already attached...
 
I recently acquired an 80 bass Scandalli 666/181. It was bought as an unplayable “project”, but I am hopeful that after a considerable amount of work through the winter months, it will be a lovely accordion. There had been two spelling mistakes the first time the accordion was advertised, and the headline read “Scandalous Accordian”. Naturally I could not resist something scandalous!
20240530_0024.jpg
Most notes on the keyboard played, a few did not, and some did not sound all that happy, but most were reasonably in tune. The bass buttons all worked, although the register selector was jammed. Buttons and keys had a nice action, the keyboard was level and the bellows had good compression.

Opening it up was very interesting. The case was nicely made from mahogany. The reeds looked in good condition with very little sign of rust. As would be expected, all the valves need replacing and the reed plates need re-waxing.

The reason for some treble notes not sounding was immediately obvious, as three reeds were missing! I later found two of them locked in a passionate embrace in a fold of the bellows. The other missing one is currently lost without trace, fortunately it is the highest note on one of the reed blocks, so I can probably do without it for a while.
20240530_0003.jpg
There was damage to the reed block that had lost two of the reeds, it had suffered an impact at one end that had cracked it and left gaps so some basic wood work will be required to sort that out once I have removed the reeds.
20240530_0006.jpg
Unfortunately the damaged reed block had become firmly stuck to the gasket that was under it, probably someone had smeared glue around, and I will have to repair or replace the gasket. I assume that some very thin felt would be the right material to use for that, or would you use leather?
20240530_0015.jpg
The accordion may have been dropped at some point as there are a few cracks to mend, one in the corner of the case not far from the damaged reed block, and also on the front corners near the keyboard.
20240527_0076.jpg
The biggest problem area that I can see concerns the treble pallets and their felts. Thirteen of the pallets have some damage, and some have had the felt eaten away, possibly by insects? When I first opened the accordion it really was a filthy mess around the pallets and the back of the keyboard, but I took the instrument outside and, after carefully removing the treble reed blocks, I cleaned out most of the debris with compressed air.
20240530_0021.jpg
The damage to the pallets looks strange to me, maybe others have seen something like it, but it appears like some have partly melted and distorted, either by heat or chemical reaction. On some, but not all, the felt is really discoloured.
20240527_0038.jpg
I have been searching online for replacement pallets, but have not had much luck so far. These ones measure 48 x 12 mm and appear to be made out of some sort of black plastic. The felt in most of them is about 4mm thick, but four of the pallets have felt that is only about 1.5 thick.

I have seen wooden pallets online, and some Hohner aluminium pallets that are slightly larger at 49 x 13mm. Do you think that the Hohner ones could be adapted to work?Having seen Italian wooden pallets online, I do wonder if I could make some out of bass wood that can be purchased for model making.

Do any of you know the age of this accordion, my guess is 60 – 70 years, but someone might know?

Thank you!
You have to decide wether to spend time playing an accordion or repairing one
 
I fear that murathan has made the most sensible possible suggestion.

However, there are funny folk like us who enjoy challenges and at least walk in with eyes open and expectations low (I'm a multiple offender). You've certainly got a 'project' there! I half-remember the listing - I'm relieved I wasn't tempted!

The deformation of the plastic pallets is interesting. Plastics, particularly thermoplastics, have been around for less than about a century, and many have begun to show various ways of deteriorating - they can't necessarily be relied upon. I wonder whether these have deteriorated because of a reaction between the plastic and whatever glue was used to attach the facings, or whether some idiot has applied some solvent to 'clean' things up. I wouldn't have thought it would be difficult to source suitable wooden pallets, ready-made. My impression is that various timbers, not just lime / bass have been used for pallets, and they should be an interesting DIY job, given a router and suitable cutters.

NZ moths certainly like felt, so you'll probably find little tunnels in the pallets' felt, and in any other felt in the box, and pupa cases and frass everywhere. (How do I know...?) Any borer, just to add a little bio-diversity?

I have a somewhat earlier Scandalli. It also has a similar compound mechanism on a small number (can't remember...) of treble keys. There are also a couple of treble pallets with facings thinner than all the others, and I've noticed that on another example. I don't understand why. I think all the facings are original. I'm coming to the conclusion that Scandalli did some odd things...

The foundation plate gasket is thin leather, suede-side up.
I think the visible celluloid splits at the keyboard corner will be associated with significant underlying wood damage.
The only reaction possible to the reed block damage is WTF!?

I think this box is younger than my Scandalli, which has metal mute flaps and a curved array of thirteen treble switches. I believe mine dates from the 1950s, probably the first half.

I'd imagine that everything you'll need is available from Carini DE NA (www.carinidena.com), but good luck with the web site - it's chaos, as far as I'm concerned; I've no idea how anyone copes with it!

Thank you for the helpful information, I realise that this "project" will be a challenge, but I will enjoy it and I think that eventually it will be a nice instrument. As you have written before, we do have some unique challenges here in New Zealand when it comes to acquiring a good instrument, and I went into this particular purchase fully expecting to have to re-valve, and do other work on it. I am actually very happy that the reeds are in good condition, and the bellows are respectable. It is a shame that someone has damaged the reed block, but sorting it out looks quite "do-able" to me.

I'm suspecting that the felt may have been attacked by moths, some felt did have the little tunnels that you describe. I may have found two or three cocoons in all the mess, but I wasn't 100 percent sure. I will have a play with some timber and my router and see if I can make something that would work as a pallet. I might even achieve quite a lot with a round file and a jig.

Thanks for the information about the foundation plate gasket, that is most helpful.
 
The most important clue as to the age is the keyboard design. That is a more modern design that manufacturers started using in the '50s so indeed this box must be younger than yours. My guess would be early 1960's, plus or minus 5 years, but I could be off by a bit more...
The Carini website is my source for all accordion parts. Many people don't realize that under the small Italian flag icon is a drop down menu (with just two items) from which you can select the British flag to get an English version of the site. Not all the translations may make sense and I tend to use the Italian version. For instance: "componenti fisarmonica" is a menu with an item "tastiera e meccanica" which is a submenu with an item "valvole" and there it lists 11 pages full of different pallets, metal, wood, plastic, in all possible different sizes. This one: https://carinidena.it/MS5ECOMMERCE60/jsp/eco_cc_home_bs_portlet.jsp?p=dettarti&codarti=4908 is a plastic one in 49x12mm. They even sell this with 4mm thick felt+leather already attached...
Thank you for the information about the possible age of the accordion and link to the plastic pallet that Carini De Na have on their website, it looks like it could do the job very well. I looked at their site yesterday and did find the wooden pallets, but missed the one that you sent a link to.
 
Everything can be repaired but the question is, is it worth it... This is an 80's Scandalli accordion model. No cassotto. Scandalli wanted a piece of cake from the Hohner and Weltmeister at that time I guess. They are in the same class.

 
Everything can be repaired but the question is, is it worth it... This is an 80's Scandalli accordion model. No cassotto. Scandalli wanted a piece of cake from the Hohner and Weltmeister at that time I guess. They are in the same class.


Repairing/restoring the accordion is worth it to me! I realise that there is no justification in terms of money value, and it is not a "great" accordion in terms of quality, although it will offer more musical possibilities than the Hohner Arietta that I currently play, but I will enjoy rescuing it. To make it useful again and to hear its voice will bring me joy! I am 65 and, whilst I have always played a musical instrument of some kind, I only very recently took up the accordion (I'm currently at the end of Palmer-Hughes book 2 and will proceed to book 3 fairly soon). I am a bit battered and worn out like this poor instrument, and I think that restoring it will help restore me too!
 
Repairing/restoring the accordion is worth it to me! I realise that there is no justification in terms of money value, and it is not a "great" accordion in terms of quality, ... To make it useful again and to hear its voice will bring me joy! ... [my italics]
That's it, isn't it? I hate waste and the 'throw-away' attitude that has taken over the world. An instrument like this was once valuable - and valued - but has been allowed to get to a state* where it would be most likely scrapped, were it not for 'rescuers' who feel a need to preserve and recover the intrinsic worth of things. We do it for people and pets... Hell, people even restore, and take pride in mass-produced, low-quality cars like 1950's Ford Consuls, or 1960's Austin 1100s. Now, they are misguided!

Your accordion surely deserves to live and be appreciated again!

Don't forget, those of you in the civilised world, accordions are probably a lot thicker on the ground than in NZ, so it's perhaps easier for you to give up on a wreck and just get a replacement.

* Kiwis often seem to be very hard on their posessions. Even though buying new was difficult and expensive, many valuable things seem to have been neglected and abused, to the state of dereliction. You only have to look at the state of much of the precision engineering equipment that pops up in local auctions, to see how awful their treatment has been. It makes me very sad.
 
I recently acquired an 80 bass Scandalli 666/181. It was bought as an unplayable “project”, but I am hopeful that after a considerable amount of work through the winter months, it will be a lovely accordion. There had been two spelling mistakes the first time the accordion was advertised, and the headline read “Scandalous Accordian”. Naturally I could not resist something scandalous!
20240530_0024.jpg
Most notes on the keyboard played, a few did not, and some did not sound all that happy, but most were reasonably in tune. The bass buttons all worked, although the register selector was jammed. Buttons and keys had a nice action, the keyboard was level and the bellows had good compression.

Opening it up was very interesting. The case was nicely made from mahogany. The reeds looked in good condition with very little sign of rust. As would be expected, all the valves need replacing and the reed plates need re-waxing.

The reason for some treble notes not sounding was immediately obvious, as three reeds were missing! I later found two of them locked in a passionate embrace in a fold of the bellows. The other missing one is currently lost without trace, fortunately it is the highest note on one of the reed blocks, so I can probably do without it for a while.
20240530_0003.jpg
There was damage to the reed block that had lost two of the reeds, it had suffered an impact at one end that had cracked it and left gaps so some basic wood work will be required to sort that out once I have removed the reeds.
20240530_0006.jpg
Unfortunately the damaged reed block had become firmly stuck to the gasket that was under it, probably someone had smeared glue around, and I will have to repair or replace the gasket. I assume that some very thin felt would be the right material to use for that, or would you use leather?
20240530_0015.jpg
The accordion may have been dropped at some point as there are a few cracks to mend, one in the corner of the case not far from the damaged reed block, and also on the front corners near the keyboard.
20240527_0076.jpg
The biggest problem area that I can see concerns the treble pallets and their felts. Thirteen of the pallets have some damage, and some have had the felt eaten away, possibly by insects? When I first opened the accordion it really was a filthy mess around the pallets and the back of the keyboard, but I took the instrument outside and, after carefully removing the treble reed blocks, I cleaned out most of the debris with compressed air.
20240530_0021.jpg
The damage to the pallets looks strange to me, maybe others have seen something like it, but it appears like some have partly melted and distorted, either by heat or chemical reaction. On some, but not all, the felt is really discoloured.
20240527_0038.jpg
I have been searching online for replacement pallets, but have not had much luck so far. These ones measure 48 x 12 mm and appear to be made out of some sort of black plastic. The felt in most of them is about 4mm thick, but four of the pallets have felt that is only about 1.5 thick.

I have seen wooden pallets online, and some Hohner aluminium pallets that are slightly larger at 49 x 13mm. Do you think that the Hohner ones could be adapted to work?Having seen Italian wooden pallets online, I do wonder if I could make some out of bass wood that can be purchased for model making.

Do any of you know the age of this accordion, my guess is 60 – 70 years, but someone might know?

Thank you!
Hello fellow nutcase.my first accordion was an old Paolo soprani.ir had been stored in a damp loft for 50 odd years and when I retrieved it and opened the case,I was met with a wall of green mould.i dragged it home anyway and was so fascinated by the workings that I undertook a full restoration.it was 3 months of fixing,tweaking,reassembling,stripping down again,etc,but I got her working and have been playing since, always 2nd hand instruments that needed attention and frequent stripping down.a few years back I actually bought my first fully functional accordion and am so glad i learnt on leaky patched together instruments as it is so easy to play.best of luck.keep that old box alive.respect.dominic mogridge.west cork.ireland
 
You can make valve pads, but you need the same thickness felt. You can buy pads probably from someplace like Carini. The ones that are less thick are probably on the white keys that are on the same row as the black keys and these 2 or 3 you could make from an old felt coat, or piano nameboard felt with sheepskin.
The insect damage is from Dermestid beetle larvae.
You can make a fondo gasket or repair the existing one. You can cut rectangular pieces of sheepskin, so-called chamois, and I use clear rubber adhesive on the plate. If the plate will come off, you could glue a big piece onto it, and use a hot sharp blade to cut out the holes.
 
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