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Folk Accordion: Castagnari Magica

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I really enjoyed listening to this video of Simon Dumpleton playing folk-style on a Castagnari accordion.



I think there is something really nice about this type of accordion... it's got less of almost everything; keys, buttons, voices, weight... it's even cassotto-less.

...and yet the tone is really satisfying, it's almost like it's an accordion that thinks it's a fiddle or a melodeon; it's clear, bright, soothing, energetic, less "processed"... does that even make sense? :unsure:

I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this instrument... pros and cons etc. Are there any alternatives that do a better job as a high-end folk accordion?​
 
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" Are there any alternatives that do a better job as a high-end folk accordion?"

well yes, if you can find one or pry one out of someone's death-grip

a classic vintage immortal little red Paolo Soprani from
waaaaaay back in the day when the King still reigned and they
still were doin' 'em right at the old Factory top of the hill front and center
palm trees, pond, prociutto, perfection
 
I really enjoyed listening to this video of Simon Dumpleton playing folk-style on a Castagnari accordion.



I think there is something really nice about this type of accordion... it's got less of almost everything; keys, buttons, voices, weight... it's even cassotto-less.

...and yet the tone is really satisfying, it's almost like it's an accordion that thinks it's a fiddle or a melodeon; it's clear, bright, soothing, energetic, less "processed"... does that even make sense? :unsure:

I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this instrument... pros and cons etc. Are there any alternatives that do a better job as a high-end folk accordion?​

It’s very cool, reminds me of an old timey organ. Nice nice looking but I wonder if one would tire of this particular voice? Does it have others? I can’t say I know anything about high end folk accordions though. All mine are pretty much middle end.
 
great sound
the price is a little off-putting

last year I witnessed the button variant of this box up close, but wasn't totally impressed
still I wouldn't mind owning one
 
From LaMallauxaccordeons:
This compact piano accordion by Castagnari is made of solid wood and features 34 keys, 3 voices, 7 registers, 5 sound effects on the right hand and 96 bass, 4 voices and 5 automatic couplers on the left hand.

A fair amount of choice.
Saltarelle have a range at slightly less frightening prices.

There seems to be a trend to produce less 'complete' instruments weighing less and doing fewer things but very well.
 
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on the Castagnari and the alternatives. I guess there's a lot to be said for a "specialist" version of the accordion in specific genres like folk. It even seems that a specialism gives the accordion greater credibility among instrumentalists within the genre. It's kinda funny that sometimes you need to be less versatile to be appreciated... :unsure: :D
 
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts on the Castagnari and the alternatives. I guess there's a lot to be said for a "specialist" version of the accordion in specific genres like folk. It even seems that a specialism gives the accordion greater credibility among instrumentalists within the genre. It's kinda funny that sometimes you need to be less versatile to be appreciated... :unsure: :D
As our friend Maria M famously said, “It’s not the meat, it’s the motion.” It’s great to look good with your wood, but it’s the squeezin’ that does the pleasin’ if you get the drift….. js’ (And you’ve got the chops Walker old bean😊).
 
Smaller and less of everything is the name of the game these days.
Yes... but maybe in some ways Castagnari is an unusual case because they are essentially a manufacturer of Organetti/folk DBAs who have also added a PA model to their line. Arguably they have to make bigger and more of everything in order to achieve a suitable folk PA. 🤓 :D
 
I had the pleasure of trying a Castagnari Magical CBA.... ridiculous price and I'd just bought a Piermaria so my bin was empty.... however it it hadn't of been I'd have been mighty tempted...
Played so so smooth and great tone...I've never played anything like it since.... Gorgeous...
Seller was amused I played so slowly and thoughtfully as most people came to his shop to buy with the intention of "beating the box" which apparently is a folk tradition of trying to play pieces so fast that the box is forced to stumble and jam....crazy mentality....but he said that is why the box was made to respond so smooth...
Expensive...you bet....but I was more concerned that really tiny two key signature melodeons were in great demand and retained their second hand value....
It's all another world to me ..
 
as most people came to his shop to buy with the intention of "beating the box" which apparently is a folk tradition of trying to play pieces so fast that the box is forced to stumble and jam....crazy mentality....
Wow... that's so cringey. Yikes!

Here's something nice and sedate for you Terry, to help us recover from ego trip folksters. Now it is a Saltarelle and not a Castagnari, but it's lovely tune... Ashokan Farewell.

 
Tastefully tasteful ....t ..t...t...t...
I'm sorry to say the need for speed seems to exist across all genres (just mentioning before I'm misconstrued as anti folk...😉). Rock players need to shred, bebop to my ear is merely a machine gun screaming.....Miles Davis is quoted as saying the public need to see fingers moving quickly before they can respect a musician.....
Gig I played Sunday was sweet in parts but my girlfriend was pissed enough to wanna walk out as the bebop ferocity was too much for her delicate ears ...and I'm quite aware that a couple of the greater musicians were as pissed with me for cooling the tone down....
My son once told me of a Japanese pianist whose een commissioned to play sedately at an art gallery....he played sublimely and gained a round of applause from the public....got up furiously from his piano and told them they were here to view paintings and apologised to the artist for having distracted them....I can appreciate this man....
I am trying to smooth out my playing so I can just float seamlessly between chords and progression with the minimum of jar....that is not to say without tension...but without unnecessary clashes.....I've a long way to go....
Guess one like it hot....me ...I prefer cool....
I checked out history of Ashokan Farewell.....cool
 
In folk music nobody is chained to the dominant paradigm of the PA/CBA world that more, bigger, heavier is the be-all/end-all, with small, light, and compact being looked down upon as for kiddies and beginners. Because folk/trad so often uses small bisonoric button boxes that paradigm doesn't exist. In Irish trad, for example, a "big" accordion would be a 3 or 4 voice two-row Paolo Soprani weighing at the max maybe around 12 pounds. And there is a proud sub-group of old-school players who used 2-voice Hohners--some young and current players happily acquire those vintage little guys, sometimes subbing out the reeds, sometimes using the originals. Many virtuosos and professionals have feather-light 6-7 pound new, hand-reed MM Castagnaris and play brilliant trad on them without that PA-world stigma of, "Oh, it doesn't have cassotto," or, "Oh, it's a beginner box." It's a different paradigm.

Well, that paradigm is fully available to the out-of-the-box thinker in the PA/CBA world, too. These rigid, blinkered paradigms are all quite odd. Because the fact is that In Irish trad, an 11/12-pound 26/60 or even 26/48 two-voice MM PA will enable you to do everything a bisonoric 8-bass Irish button box can do . . . and more. Much more. Now, Scottish trad and some other folk genres, you really want 30 treble to get those low notes going down to "Fiddle G," because some of those traditions have more tunes that spend time down at that end. But . . . I instigate the folk players out there to cast off all shame, stigma, and inhibition about small, light unisonoric accordions and go for it. It's like getting out of jail!

 
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Re the OP's query about thoughts Re the Casti Magica, or other "high-end" alternatives: The Magica is a drool-worthy instrument to look at and to hear. Same with the Magica CBAs. In my view they are also flabbergastingly expensive. There is also a "Castagnari sound" that some love and some don't care for. It's the same with the Casti bisonroic button boxes. Dunno if it is the hand reeds or the way they engineer the chamber acoustically. They're a bit soft and refined sounding compared to some other makes. Yet there's a bit of a bright chipmunky-sound to the highest notes that some don't like. Not in a shrill way. It's just like a little squirrel or chipmunk on some of the highest notes.

"High-end" alternatives--

-----Well, in Irish and perhaps Scottish, the two-voice MM Saltarelle "Clifden" model is huuuuge in popularity. Note the model name, a lovely town on the Irish West Coast. Very favored. By those who can afford to pay $6K US for an MM 34/60 accordion with no bass register, and think that is fair value, which I do not. I also like a shorter lap-to-chin height for folk music, and the Clifden is even "taller" that way than some other 34-keys. Personally for folk it's 26 or 30 every time for me. You can see a Cliden in stock now at LB in the 60-bass PA section.

-----There is also the Saltarelle "Cleggan," another nod to Ireland. LMM 5-register like the Magica in the original post above. The Salts have a bigger, rounder sound to the softer, yet "pointier" sound of the Castis. It's all subjective taste.

-----Manfrini has also gotten into the act with luscious and lusciously expensive high-end wood-body folk PAs. They are a Scottish concern that contracts with a Castelfidardo maker (I forget which) to their specs. They were offering a two-row Irish box for a while, the "Bosca Ceoil," that was an amazing take on the haunting, often-called "ghostly" sound of the original mid-century Paolo Soprani 2-rows so cherished in Irish trad, while being smaller, lighter, and faster in response. Manfrini offers an MM 35-key and a 4-voice wood-body 37/96. High-end and high-priced.


-----Petosa offers the "Little Pro XT" 32/96 4-voice, and the "Little Pro," 26/72 3-voice. Arty color combos and painted stains. Those "Swedish blue-steel super-duper a mano" (or whatever) reeds. High-end and high-priced. You can see video demos on the 'tube.

-----Bugari does a fantastic 34/72 LMM that sounds great for trad/roots music, and there's also 37/96 (perhaps 4-voice). They also offer 26/48 and 26/60. Not cheap or anything, but fairly priced compared to the Castagnari/Saltarelle stuff.


Personally, for Irish at the end of the day a PA like a Piatenesi/Ottavianelli or Dino Baffetti 26/60 or 34/72 LMM would be plenty of quality at a lower price than these oh-so-luxe Castagnari or Saltarelle "wood cabinet" examples, if you could find one given the fire at the DB factory and the post-COVID price hikes on everything across the board. Or a vintage Hohner Concerto or West-German Student if you could find one in excellent nick. Or . . . Blasphemy of blasphemies, a brand-new Asian-made Hohner Bravo MM 26/48 or LMM 34/72, or East-German made Weltmeister MM 26/48 or LMM 30-key or 34-key. Or a Czech-made Delicia. They might need a bit of set-up tweaking out of the box, but they are totally playable enough, and sound perfectly fine, for dance-based folk music.
 
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Beautiful playing, but I think there's quite a bit of post-processing here, to say the least.
I can echo your "post-processing" observation... vation... vation... vation...
I don't know about that. This is a camera mic... and not a very good one. Bass is weak, it's in mono, you can hear the room ambiance (she is in the middle of what I believe is 2 fairly large rooms), which enforces the distance of the mic to player distance matches what we see.

You are hearing as honest and unprocessed a rendition as that mic, accordion and local ambiance can muster, mister... lol
 
“Personally, for Irish at the end of the day a PA like a Piatenesi/Ottavianelli or Dino Baffetti 26/60 or 34/72 LMM would be plenty of quality at a lower price than these oh-so-luxe Castagnari or Saltarelle "wood cabinet" examples,”

I’m with Ouiga on this one! To me it’s a tool like my hammers (Estwing of course with hand made cassotto). I don’t get crazy about it but have played it almost daily since I got it (so why do I still suck compared to some on here?) and have never had less than favorable comments on looks or sound. Bought direct from Sig Ovid, no hassles with shipping or anything, arrived about 2 weeks later, finely packed. Only thing I did was add a backstrap. Maybe among the cognoscenti wood is better but at this point I’m much more concerned with playing 3 hours no repeats than how my cordeen looks or sounds. Just sayin’

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