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All Roland V accordions have the touch and velocity sensitive features you speak of here. And for the bellows - they most certainly effect the dynamics. And unlike many keyboards, these features can be turned on or off, increased or decreased depending on the user. A good demo is here --
An open mind can comprehend the features of the new digitals and then there will always be others that remain in the past.
 
About this TED 10’46 conference on digital accordions, some remarks:
Some half time (5’40’’) is used to impress the audience with a virtuoso/champion playing a Monti piece. Second part of the video is showing minimal bellows movements, the player doesn’t give any technical explanations on the difference in music style and playing styles, the electronics/sensors… He just plays some accordion, and invites someone in the audience to touch the “magic” box. In total it's a 9 minute show and 1 minute (?) of pep talk.
I’ve watched some TED conferences in the past, and usually they also present some powerpoint presentations showing technical details
Isn’t a TED lecture supposed to learn something new to the audience? This is just a mini recital and a show. I have learned nothing about the technology of digital accordions in this video…


An open minded attitude to analyzing the functions of a music instrument, implies opening digital accordions and have clear views on:
All the inside and outer side parts of the accordion
A clear view on the details of the ways the processor(s) are the input signals
PBM (physical behavior modeling)
DBS (dynamical bellows systems or DBM dynamic bellows modeling)
A comparison of the math and programming in digital accordions, digital V-guitars, digital pianos, digital wind instruments, …

TED conferences are great to watch online, they are brief and presented by experts. However, I’d like to see a more in depth analysis of digital and midi accordions.
A classic promotion technique used in these commercially inspired lectures, is the use of music champions / celebrities / salespeople, used to impress or overwhelm the audience.
Let’s be careful not to confuse an open mind attitude with showtime and special effects.

A classic trick is to use a virtuoso to promote your digital accordions, such as this person or a Ludovic Beier and other virtuosos. This sales trick can be used to silence some bad mannered amateurs posing too many annoying questions about the technology. When accordion champions speak, amateurs should shut up and listen in total (blind?) admiration? Don’t think so.

When analysing digital accordions, we should separate the music instrument from the player. We are not studying the accordion players, we want to have a closer look at digital and midi accordions. An accordion virtuoso may be able to easily camouflage some possible flaws in digital accordion technology and the way these accordions react to finger and bellows actions.

Videos of beginning amateurs on digital accordions can show these, because they have less experience in adjusting/adapting/correcting/mimicking bellows movements.
If (in some remote virtual universe) I would produce low quality sportshoes, an Olympic 100 meter champion still could help boosting my business, by becoming a spokesman for my brand to market and still make a success of my sportshoes brand.


First we should dig up all the online or offline patents, read and analyse the contents.
Added with video material, live audiences and trials of digital accordions, and most of all inside views of the processor(s), hardware, sensors inside digital accordions.

By the way, I’m open to digital music instruments. My post on the Dualo is exactly on what might be the implications of digitalization in music instruments, compression of size, touch sensitive buttons, the question of the impact or not of bellows movements, etc.

I might even be more consequent and futuristic in asking myself, what parts of a digital accordion are really essential and necessary to obtain the same musical sound effects?
How different or similar is math in V-guitars, digital pianos, digital accordions? Music instruments with a completely different shape and body. Could they play the same music styles with the same sound effects? Eg playing a musette waltz on a digital piano, or a V-guitar with touch sensitivy technology ?
Because if so, this would mean dimensions, form and shape of case/bodies are less relevant in digital music instruments.

PS: I'm not against digital accordions or midi accordions. I just want to filter out the promo talk, and bring in some more documents to analyse.
I know digital accordions are a commercial succes, and especially in a modern rock band or heavy metal and other genres. Digital technology and amplification is essential when the accordionist is playing outdoors at a large audience music festival.
 
adding input to the topic

The pdf user brochure on this digital Steirisch accordion showing 5 degrees in bellows pressure to be preset by the player
Bedienungsanleitung Steirische Ludwig II (PDF 1.8 MB)

http://www.schwyzerorgeln.ch/steirisch.html

possible question: how is the digital accordion processor calculating its reaction to the natural pressure on the bellows by the player? Is the processor equalizing minor differences in pressure and making a classification in categories of pressure?
 
interludium

the concertinome, digitals and the concertina


523 in total, at 250 fragment of the making, at 311 the most interesting part, a quick inside look of some inside tech parts

The music genre he plays is modern music.
It would be interesting to add traditional accordion sound samples into this concertina, and play musette waltzes, polkas, ...
To compare with digital accordions.

That way we could learn something more about digital technology and accordions/concertinas/....
 
Jim, still thinking Im old fashioned and unable to embrace modern technology in accordion construction?
Watch this entire 1630 video:

The oddysey continues, lets go back (the theremin 1920s etc...) to the future with the concertronica (no bellows...):


MTF London: Hugh Jones - Crewdson
Hugh Jones (aka Crewdson) has created the Concertronica, an instrument that combines the concertina with a MIDI controller, and allows you to manipulate music from a totally new perspective. The left hands buttons capture loops and samples and the right side activates effects from Ableton Live. In between these are four strings on a x/y axis giving you may different ways to manipulate the sounds. It is almost like having sound waves in between both your hands as you pull and contract materials together in an incredibly tactile and visually expressive way. Hugh is currently using the Concertronica to perform his own material and to promote hacking and just how limitless the possibilities are for musical creation.


By the way, the concertinome (previous video above):
the Concertinome is a custom made instrument combining the concertina accordion with the monome style keyboard and electronic air pressure sensors. It was made by Espen Sommer Eide 2009 and demonstrated in this concert at Visningsrommet USF, Bergen, Norway.

note this is a DIY dou it yourself instrument with electronic air pressure sensors, with a compact lowweight concertina

another DIY digital:
MIDI DIY accordion demo 1


The technology the big digital accordion makers are advertising is not so difficult to copy by amateurs.
Buy a cheap 100 usd anglo concertina or a cheap English concertina, and put in digital stuff, you can make your own digital concertina/accordion, for much less money and less weight and size...
 
speaking of the past and old fashions...

meet the vintage electronic Topaz accordion in soviet times...:

Электробаян Топаз

The soviet propaganda dating from the 1950s-1960s.

note the absence of bellows. Bellows arent necessary in an electronic accordion, other technologies can replace the sensitive aspects of bellows pressure.
As mentioned button/key sensors to button pressure, and other technologies.


БАЯН KORG pa80 (Bayan KORG 1980s)

Not so sure the Roland guys were the first in digital accordion space...
Enjoy
 
not my favorit music genre (I hope polka and musette players wont pass out after watching this video), but its just another example of a DIY concertina


Squeeze box converted into an oscillator

note the bellows strap is attached, the bellows stay closed all the time.

If the same DIY technology could use traditional tremolo or dry accordion sampled sounds, and if incorporated in a 30 button to 49 button instrument, any ordinary or extraterrestrial digital accordion sound can be reproduced.
 
more DIY midi and digital concertinas:


Lachenal tutor concertina converted to MIDI
(at 144 is a small bellows shake)

This is a video I like very much:

MIDI-CONCERTINA-Medley 1
(a duet concertina with Ernst Kusserow layout; at 320 starts a tremolo musette French waltz, Sous le ciel de Paris. At 520 in the Viennese famous piece the concertina bellows strap is closed while playing; at 630 the sound of a church organ in a small concertina !)

These videos prove the traditional shape and size of a big Roland (or other brand) accordion corpus is irrelevant to the sound in the world of digital accordions.
All this technology and sound can be built into smaller sized instruments, weighing less and costing only a fraction of the price.

John Nixon on MIDI concertina


MIDI Anglo Concertina demo.



Midi Melodeon - Tin Whistle using NEW Artist mode - Tim Doyle
 
Another variation on the same theme, a midi bandoneon:


Bandoneon MIDI

good visuals of parts of this midi bandoneon, and at 039 a view on the sensor de presion, the pression sensor, replacing the bellows. At 100 is shown very few parts are necessary to make accordion/bandoneon sounds.
Other parts can replace traditional accordion/bandoneon parts.

Guess all you need to get started is computers, sensors, wiring and cables, a keyboard or buttonboard, and a plastic bottle to squeeze...
 
I doubt that the body size of a digital accordion would be a significant factor in its price, the body seems to be made of plastic and I dont't suppose it costs a lot.

It doesn't surprise me to learn that midi boxes can be made cheaply either. If they could be made cheaply with bellows pressure sensors, that would be even better, and perhaps they can.

On the other hand the idea of small scale operators experimenting in this area could only be good news. No doubt there would be dead ends etc. But if the technology really is within the scope of many then sooner or later someone will invent something interesting. A playable budget instrument for kids, for instance.... Or something I've never thought of.

If you are interested in finding out more about the insides of digital accordions there is some interesting discussion on melodeon.net.
There is a digital diatonic box called a Streb made by a small scale UK operator. I believe the first model of this predated the FR18 Strebs, like FR18s, also have a bellows pressure sensor that responds to bellows pressure to controol dynamics (and, as it's a diatonic, it is also directional which controls pitch). (This incidentally supports the view that bellows pressure sensors in digital boxes really do exist.). The discussion compared this mechanism with the FR18 and had some technical information on how these things work. This might be relevant.
 
Heres an accordion where you get to keep your bellows but no longer need to use the buttons:

:D
 
concerning wireless USB in digital music instruments

Systems and Methods for Wireless Connectivity of a Musical Instrument
US 20110028218 A1
https://www.google.be/patents/US201...ved=0CCQQ6AEwAWoVChMIkY-U_ufSxwIVSmsUCh3Kpw0s

Portable keyboard instrument for playing music, has two keyboards that are arranged on right hand and left hand and are played simultaneously
DE 102011051826 A1
https://www.google.be/patents/DE102...ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMInK_72-jSxwIVzNYUCh2RlwlE

some recent patents the Roland company is mentioned in:
Electrically controlled control valve to control the air stream of a bellows of an electronic accordion
EP 2779154 A1
https://www.google.be/patents/EP277...ved=0CC8Q6AEwAmoVChMIsZzKjOnSxwIVAr0UCh0sEwSl


Adjusting a level at which to generate a new tone with a current generated tone
US 8878046 B2
https://www.google.be/patents/US887...&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBGoVChMIvcb6qOnSxwIVQXIUCh1xBQh_


Reflective piano keyboard scanner (also accordion application)
US 8013234 B1
https://www.google.be/patents/US801...ved=0CFwQ6AEwB2oVChMI7q3t4unSxwIVQj4UCh1uyg-M
 
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