Midi accordion and arranger keyboard / module

[Thomas N]

I use the drum patterns and accompaniment patterns, also I use the intro on some and endings on almost all. Easy way to end a piece with near zero effort.

One thing that bugs me, Jerry, is that I normally am finishing a song on Variation 4. When you click Ending you get the Ending for Variation 4 which can be a bit obnoxious on some styles. I would rather have the Ending for Variation 1. So far the only thing I can do is hit Variation 1 and then Ending immediately after. I'm sure there's a way to do this in one step and I probably should break out the manual!

 

[JerryPH]

One thing that bugs me, Jerry, is that I normally am finishing a song on Variation 4. When you click Ending you get the Ending for Variation 4 which can be a bit obnoxious on some styles. I would rather have the Ending for Variation 1. So far the only thing I can do is hit Variation 1 and then Ending immediately after. I'm sure there's a way to do this in one step and I probably should break out the manual!

With Ketron arrangers, they've divided this, so your endings and drum fills are literally different pedal buttons. On the BK, they've kinda lumped it in to two steps as you say.

99% of the time, I simply accept the variation that I want to end, and just hit the ENDING button on my pedal. The sounds are progressive, 1 is quieter and 4 being the most "complex". I usually work up that chain in the song and end in the most dynamic manner.

OK since I have the BK sitting here in front of my at my mixer, I can do a fast experiment.

I've never bothered to even see if they even can do the trick like with the intro (before starting the beat, be in variation 1, hit INTRO, select the intro you want, ie: 3, and when you hit start, it does intro #3 and moves in to variation 1). I just basically tried it now, and it doesn't seem to work in the same way, so you CANNOT "preset" your ending in advance, BUT...

The only way that I got it to work for your particular situation, (and it CAN be done, but it takes TIMING), is possible.

If you note, whenever you hit the ENDING, it completes the current measure THEN inserts the ending.

If you are playing a song with 4 beats per measure, on the 2nd or 3rd beat hit ENDING, then select the variation you want BEFORE that measure is over, it completes the measure and uses the ending of your choice... et voila, you can be playing in 1 variation and end in another, BUT if you start the process on the 3rd measure, miss that "window of opportunity", it ends with whatever ending that your current variation is set to.

Takes some pedal dexterity, but is VERY doable. The challenge is if you are playing a fast waltz, you have to complete the 2 button presses in under 2 beats else it gives you the wrong ending... so practice may be needed!

Apologies to Eurofolker for pulling his thread in a slightly different direction.

 

[Thomas N]

With Ketron arrangers, they've divided this, so your endings and drum fills are literally different pedal buttons. On the BK, they've kinda lumped it in to two steps as you say.

99% of the time, I simply accept the variation that I want to end, and just hit the ENDING button on my pedal. The sounds are progressive, 1 is quieter and 4 being the most "complex". I usually work up that chain in the song and end in the most dynamic manner.

OK since I have the BK sitting here in front of my at my mixer, I can do a fast experiment.

I've never bothered to even see if they even can do the trick like with the intro (before starting the beat, be in variation 1, hit INTRO, select the intro you want, ie: 3, and when you hit start, it does intro #3 and moves in to variation 1). I just basically tried it now, and it doesn't seem to work in the same way, so you CANNOT "preset" your ending in advance, BUT...

The only way that I got it to work for your particular situation, (and it CAN be done, but it takes TIMING), is possible.

If you note, whenever you hit the ENDING, it completes the current measure THEN inserts the ending.

If you are playing a song with 4 beats per measure, on the 2nd or 3rd beat hit ENDING, then select the variation you want BEFORE the measure is over, it completes the measure and uses the ending of your choice... et voila, you can be playing in 1 variation and end in another, BUT if you start the process on the 3rd measure, miss that "window of opportunity", it ends with whatever ending that your current variation is set to.

Takes some pedal dexterity, but is VERY doable.

Yep! That's exactly what I do. But I have missed before and then you start getting the two minute ending LOL! Fortunately they will let you go back to Variation 1 from the Ending and stop that process, which is nice.

I always start on Variation 2 and usually have Intro 3 to start. So I normally hit Sync to Start, Select Variation 2, then click Intro and then click Variation 3 and you'll see Variation 3 blinking, which means it is the Intro, and then it will move to Variation 2 for the actual song start. The process is not elegant, and I have the Korg 5-pedal footswitch which makes things bearable.

Thanks for the reply Jerry!