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As suggested here I do all of the regular warm-up exercises every day-scales hands apart,scales hands together,

This thread popped back up and I'm curious about how you practice scales in the left hand?
When I practice scales it is primarily a right-hand exercise. Sometimes I will play the I, IV and V chord buttons at appropriate points, but that's about as far as I go.
 
One tip I've always heard from many high level musicians is to practice extremely slowly. Like, to take it at a speed where you will not have mistakes at all, and then build speed slowly with that. I struggle with doing that, partly because I find it boring (no instant self-gratification here), and partly due to time constraints.
You are feeling bored for 2 reasons:
- You are not practicing the piece with CONCERTED FOCUSED EFFORT at a very slow speed, you are just going through the motions.
- You are not looking at the big picture, you have no set goals for this part of the practice.

To remove these 2 constraints:
- set goals for everything. ie: I want to master these 4 measures of music PERFECTLY at metronome speeds of 30BPS, 40BPS and 50BPS today. Tomorrow I will start from 40BPS and move to 50BPS and end at 60BPS. The goal is 120BPS and I will attain it in 7 days and I have a written plan EVERY DAY to get to that goal at every practice session and day for the next next 7 days. During the time I am reviewing all parts of the music that I want to play and by the end of the week place the chunks together into one song.

- Mindless practice means just that... you are not engaged, which means for the most part, you are bored and more importantly, wasting your time. If you do a practice PROPERLY, you should feel slightly (or more) mentally fatigued by the time the practice session is over.

80% of playing is in the head, 20% in the hands. What is on your mind as you play so slow? If it's ANYTHING else other than the goals in front of you, it is mindless and a waste of time.

Why isn't it the mechanics of the part you are trying to master? Do you feel each finger hit the EXACT note for the EXACT duration? Is your fingering correct? Is your intonation correct? ARE YOU SEEING THE BIG PICTURE CLEARLY? Meaning, do you have a clear and defined path to success?

Now, is it OK to do mindless practice? For sure! I do it when the goal is NOT to learn a piece of music but when doing exercises, because my mind is focused on doing the exercise that I have been doing for 40 years BETTER and FASTER. That takes very little focus on the music, but it takes concentration and effort to feel the limits of your fingers and push them past that, push past the burning sensation when you have done arpeggios for 30 minutes and your forearm feels like it's on fire. Focus on the lactic acid building up in those muscles and push past the discomfort for brief periods of time. The next day, its not the fingers that are the limitation but your mind and focus ON THE MUSIC. ;)

Also, another popular technique is to break the piece into segments.
"Chunking" is a great technique, breaking down the parts in to harder and easier parts and focusing on the hard parts until they become the easy ones is a great goal. :)
 
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I’m still working on that “larger repertoire” piece. I desire 3 hours of memorized music that I like to play. This is more important TO ME at this point in my life than how well I play it, as long as it is competent. Technique/sound is SO important but second on the list FOR ME at this moment.
Everyone is different and the one thing that makes a difference is goal setting/meeting/attaining/exceeding. If someone's goals are # of songs versus technical perfection, THAT is what matters and what they need to be focusing on. Tom has proven that he is:
- goal oriented
- knows how to plan set and attain goals
- knows his desired direction

Those 3 things alone set him in the top 10 percentile to succeed at his goals. ;)
 
Everyone is different and the one thing that makes a difference is goal setting/meeting/attaining/exceeding. If someone's goals are # of songs versus technical perfection, THAT is what matters and what they need to be focusing on. Tom has proven that he is:
- goal oriented
- knows how to plan set and attain goals
- knows his desired direction

Those 3 things alone set him in the top 10 percentile to succeed at his goals. ;)
Thanks Jerry! It did take a while to get to this. And it’s complicated by the fact that for next summer I want to play different tunes, so between now and then, two steps back, one forward. So I will still be repertoire over complexity for awhile….
 
This thread popped back up and I'm curious about how you practice scales in the left hand?
When I practice scales it is primarily a right-hand exercise. Sometimes I will play the I, IV and V chord buttons at appropriate points, but that's about as far as I go.
Maybe it wasn't explained properly or I am not quite catching it, but scales on an accordion Stradella system left hand are easy for one main reason... once you learn a scale in one key, it has a pattern and that patter NEVER changes irrespective of what key you play in.

So, for example you learn the fingering for a simple C-scale, that pattern is 100% repeated and by movingup to the next button you are in G, then D, A, E, B, F#. C#, etc...

If you do the same thing but move 1 button down from C, you are now playing that same scale in F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, etc...

Oh, you want to learn MINOR scales? Thats a slightly different pattern (one finger different in truth!), so now we are learning a 2nd pattern and from there we can again use that pattern and play minor scales in ANY key. So from 2 patters we can play alll scales in major and minor keys... for example. :)
 
Maybe it wasn't explained properly or I am not quite catching it, but scales on an accordion Stradella system left hand are easy for one main reason... once you learn a scale in one key, it has a pattern and that patter NEVER changes irrespective of what key you play in.

So, for example you learn the fingering for a simple C-scale, that pattern is 100% repeated and by movingup to the next button you are in G, then D, A, E, B, F#. C#, etc...

If you do the same thing but move 1 button down from C, you are now playing that same scale in F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, etc...

Oh, you want to learn MINOR scales? Thats a slightly different pattern (one finger different in truth!), so now we are learning a 2nd pattern and from there we can again use that pattern and play minor scales in ANY key. So from 2 patters we can play alll scales in major and minor keys... for example. :)

Thanks @JerryPH, I get it - at least I think I do, I've attached a drawing. This is the downside to self-teaching - it had never occurred to me to practice scales in the bass. I can see this is where a 120 bass would be useful, as the pattern won't work for the G♭ key I've been working in lately.
 

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Thanks Jerry! It did take a while to get to this. And it’s complicated by the fact that for next summer I want to play different tunes, so between now and then, two steps back, one forward. So I will still be repertoire over complexity for awhile….
Yes Tom, All good goals it is easy to forget all the hard work you have put into your existing repertoire I'm sure you will continue to maintain it .
I've fallen into the same trap !!.....................and suddenly find I've forgotten the odd bar ....2 or 3 .....fortunately this has happened at home and not on a gig !!!...............
When trying to learn new tunes I've found some times it's best to leave it alone for awhile and go back to it .........Refreshed !!.............
PS it does not always work !!! ha ha ha
 
This thread popped back up and I'm curious about how you practice scales in the left hand?
When I practice scales it is primarily a right-hand exercise. Sometimes I will play the I, IV and V chord buttons at appropriate points, but that's about as far as I go.
Left hand you can practice scales by playing the bass notes, and the counter bass notes. The finger pattern will be the same, no matter which key you start on.
 
You are feeling bored for 2 reasons:
- You are not practicing the piece with CONCERTED FOCUSED EFFORT at a very slow speed, you are just going through the motions.
- You are not looking at the big picture, you have no set goals for this part of the practice.

To remove these 2 constraints:
- set goals for everything. ie: I want to master these 4 measures of music PERFECTLY at metronome speeds of 30BPS, 40BPS and 50BPS today. Tomorrow I will start from 40BPS and move to 50BPS and end at 60BPS. The goal is 120BPS and I will attain it in 7 days and I have a written plan EVERY DAY to get to that goal at every practice session and day for the next next 7 days. During the time I am reviewing all parts of the music that I want to play and by the end of the week place the chunks together into one song.

- Mindless practice means just that... you are not engaged, which means for the most part, you are bored and more importantly, wasting your time. If you do a practice PROPERLY, you should feel slightly (or more) mentally fatigued by the time the practice session is over.

80% of playing is in the head, 20% in the hands. What is on your mind as you play so slow? If it's ANYTHING else other than the goals in front of you, it is mindless and a waste of time.

Why isn't it the mechanics of the part you are trying to master? Do you feel each finger hit the EXACT note for the EXACT duration? Is your fingering correct? Is your intonation correct? ARE YOU SEEING THE BIG PICTURE CLEARLY? Meaning, do you have a clear and defined path to success?

Now, is it OK to do mindless practice? For sure! I do it when the goal is NOT to learn a piece of music but when doing exercises, because my mind is focused on doing the exercise that I have been doing for 40 years BETTER and FASTER. That takes very little focus on the music, but it takes concentration and effort to feel the limits of your fingers and push them past that, push past the burning sensation when you have done arpeggios for 30 minutes and your forearm feels like it's on fire. Focus on the lactic acid building up in those muscles and push past the discomfort for brief periods of time. The next day, its not the fingers that are the limitation but your mind and focus ON THE MUSIC. ;)


"Chunking" is a great technique, breaking down the parts in to harder and easier parts and focusing on the hard parts until they become the easy ones is a great goal. :)
 
You are feeling bored for 2 reasons:
- You are not practicing the piece with CONCERTED FOCUSED EFFORT at a very slow speed, you are just going through the motions.
- You are not looking at the big picture, you have no set goals for this part of the practice.

To remove these 2 constraints:
- set goals for everything. ie: I want to master these 4 measures of music PERFECTLY at metronome speeds of 30BPS, 40BPS and 50BPS today. Tomorrow I will start from 40BPS and move to 50BPS and end at 60BPS. The goal is 120BPS and I will attain it in 7 days and I have a written plan EVERY DAY to get to that goal at every practice session and day for the next next 7 days. During the time I am reviewing all parts of the music that I want to play and by the end of the week place the chunks together into one song.

- Mindless practice means just that... you are not engaged, which means for the most part, you are bored and more importantly, wasting your time. If you do a practice PROPERLY, you should feel slightly (or more) mentally fatigued by the time the practice session is over.

80% of playing is in the head, 20% in the hands. What is on your mind as you play so slow? If it's ANYTHING else other than the goals in front of you, it is mindless and a waste of time.

Why isn't it the mechanics of the part you are trying to master? Do you feel each finger hit the EXACT note for the EXACT duration? Is your fingering correct? Is your intonation correct? ARE YOU SEEING THE BIG PICTURE CLEARLY? Meaning, do you have a clear and defined path to success?

Now, is it OK to do mindless practice? For sure! I do it when the goal is NOT to learn a piece of music but when doing exercises, because my mind is focused on doing the exercise that I have been doing for 40 years BETTER and FASTER. That takes very little focus on the music, but it takes concentration and effort to feel the limits of your fingers and push them past that, push past the burning sensation when you have done arpeggios for 30 minutes and your forearm feels like it's on fire. Focus on the lactic acid building up in those muscles and push past the discomfort for brief periods of time. The next day, its not the fingers that are the limitation but your mind and focus ON THE MUSIC. ;)


"Chunking" is a great technique, breaking down the parts in to harder and easier parts and focusing on the hard parts until they become the easy ones is a great goal. :)
No need to be insulting. I'm sure boredom during intense, long practice sessions can happen to anybody, and I did say due to time constraints as well, because I play several instruments, and try to find time for all of them. It gets a little tedious when you have a job as a musician, and are constantly learning material on a weekly basis, as one must as a church organist. But as I said, no need to get condescending. And I wasn't necessary referring to myself - I know that other people can find that kind of practice quite tedious, and I was offering it as a suggestion to the poster.
 
Left hand you can practice scales by playing the bass notes, and the counter bass notes. The finger pattern will be the same, no matter which key you start on.

Thanks Judy. I got into playing accordion in a hurry - a week after buying my first 12-bass I had a public performance. Also, I couldn't find a local teacher and one I tried on Zoom didn't work out. So I've self-taught myself based on pieces I needed to perform rather than learning the basics first. At first the stradella has simply the thing to play the "oom-pah" bit for Morris dance music. I have moved on a little since then, but not much!
 
No problem - this is a great forum - and a great place to ask any questions - so you should always feel free. I applaud you self-teaching yourself. As mentioned before, I'm sure you've heard of the Palmer-Hughes accordion course - that's personally what I grew up on, and I came back to accordion recently (after about a 50 year break - playing other instruments though). The books are all readily available on amazon - so you may want to check them out. I'm not sure if it's on amazon, or on the publisher's (Alfred Music) where you can actually preview a few pages of the books, if you want to check out the levels. They also have a book that concentrates on left hand exclusively called "Melodic Adventures In Bass Land for the Accordion", which has a chart of the left hand stradella, which I have added to this post.
 

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No need to be insulting. I'm sure boredom during intense, long practice sessions can happen to anybody, and I did say due to time constraints as well, because I play several instruments, and try to find time for all of them.
Judy, I apologize if I came across harsh, I was not meaning to be insulting at all, I am just very passionate.
Boredom likely happens to the vast majority and to me at times too. I don't ever let boredom hit me when I put on the accordion, the ONE time in my life that I feel the most alive and most want to do something thats not boring. I won't waste a second to boredom with accordions... if I currently get 30 minutes a week, thats a LOT.

We all have busy lives... I work 10-12 hour days 6 days a week, sometimes 7. I have a sister I care for that has MS and I am the caretaker of my elderly mother that has her challenges (Trigeminal Neuralgia and spine curvature that makes walking very difficult). I start my days at 4:00am, if I get to bed before 10:00, thats a GOOD day.

I started playing very early in life, stepped away from the accordion and came back to it 2 months before my father passed away. I gave away a thriving business to care for my father 24/7 for 4 years. You want busy? Try taking care of someone with Alzheimer's/Dementia 24 hours a day. ;)

I don't say this for sympathy, I say it so that you understand that I am very passionate about this instrument and I've lived through a lot and understand and see many things that most people don't even care to try to understand. :)
 
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All good - I am in much the same situation as you are - my mother is 96 years old as well, so I sympathize. I was just trying to convey to someone that might try this method that it may sound tedious at first. I also started pretty young (not as young as you - I was 8), and by the time I hit 11, I guess accordion wasn't that cool anymore, and I moved over to piano in my pre-teen years, and then to pipe/church organ studies post college. Came back to accordion after 50 years away. Wish I hadn't let all those years go by, but I had sold my accordion stupidly when I was in college, and the person I sold it to refused to sell it back 2 weeks later. I still look to find it. I'm sure there's a special place in hell for people like that!! :devilish:😅
 
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