Non cassotto accordion for playing jazz

[colinm]

Well Colin, I was thinking that you might like the cut of this Manfrini's jib...

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It's non-cassotto, it's out-and-out Jazz tuned... it's LLMM (LL voice is something a bit special) and it has a mano reeds!

As for the price, it's good to talk...

I have sound samples of that accordion and I don,t find them impressive on my ipad,
I can forward them if you have a more technical audio system

 

[Walker]

That's interesting Colin, I'd have thought that a Manfrini Jazz might be nice...

There's always the KORG FISA SUPREMA!

 

[colinm]

That's interesting Colin, I'd have thought that a Manfrini Jazz might be nice...

There's always the KORG FISA SUPREMA!

 

[Ventura]

and a 3 reed (L chambered) Imperial (Lindo model) stroller
appears to have come on the used market in the WestVirginia area

look on the Morgantown craigslist

 

[colinm]

Thanks , looks as though it may have narrow keys because it is described as ladies size

 

[Zevy]

Can anyone recommend a non cassotto accordion for playing jazz, double cassotto is too heavy and I must have full size keys.

I once owned an Excelsior “4 rocker” which certainly sounded great and many musicians used it to play jazz. It had no tone chamber.
On the flip side, you might want to consider a lighter tone chamber accordion such as the Sonola SS-4.

 

[OuijaBoard]

Used Bugari Model 130, 37/96, 18.5 pounds. The "Championfisa" has TAM, vs. The "Juniorfisa" with Super Durall. Some come with handmade reeds. Some dealers don't use the different "fisa" labels, they just specify Model 130 and the reed grade.

 

[colinm]

I once owned an Excelsior “4 rocker” which certainly sounded great and many musicians used it to play jazz. It had no tone chamber.
On the flip side, you might want to consider a lighter tone chamber accordion such as the Sonola SS-4.

Thanks for the information Zevy, Sonola ss4 seems to be well regarded , but weighs about 24 lbs, and not much that I can do to reduce that. An Excelsior 37/96 with hand made reeds is a possibility, I am still looking.

 

[colinm]

Used Bugari Model 130, 37/96, 18.5 pounds. The "Championfisa" has TAM, vs. The "Juniorfisa" with Super Durall. Some come with handmade reeds. Some dealers don't use the different "fisa" labels, they just specify Model 130 and the reed grade.

Ouija, thanks for that, Champion , or 130, 37/96, weight is good, if you see one please let me know.

 

[pitzelberger]

How about a Castagnari Magica 3?

 

[colinm]

I prefer a piano keyboard, more bass and similar notes open and close, otherwise ok.

 

[pitzelberger]

I prefer a piano keyboard, more bass and similar notes open and close, otherwise ok.

 

[colinm]

Keys probably too small, price way to high €8900, thanks for trying

 

[Frank Barocco]

I agree with @Ventura and vouch for Sonola strollers.
As @JIM D. mentioned years ago elsewhere, Rivoli, the budget line by Sonola, is good for its price and they were made with care. There were Rivoli strollers.

Also, though the cassotto sound is usually a favorite for jazz, to me it shouldn't be the only sound for jazz. Jazz is/can be much more.

 

[colinm]

I agree with @Ventura and vouch for Sonola strollers.
As @JIM D. mentioned years ago elsewhere, Rivoli, the budget line by Sonola, is good for its price and they were made with care. There were Rivoli strollers.

Also, though the cassotto sound is usually a favorite for jazz, to me it shouldn't be the only sound for jazz. Jazz is/can be much more.

Says someone who owns an Art Van Damme and an SS4, so I accept your recommendation , do you know if the Rivoli is available 37/96, with straight tuning and full size keys.

 

[OuijaBoard]

Ouija, thanks for that, Champion , or 130, 37/96, weight is good, if you see one please let me know.

Well, I suppose you want the doubled basses offered by a 96. But . . . if you could live with 34/72, this dealer/virtuoso player in Philly has a pristine 2023 Bugari 115 with TAM on sale at a very nice price, especially since all the new Italian stuff seems to go up by $200/300 every year, with used prices rising accordingly, He deals the other Bugari models but doesn't always have them in stock. Personally I'd prefer the 34/72 for the lighter weight and compact size, but I understsand if one wants more basses for jazz. You might also try Emilio accordions in White Plains, NY. Emilio and this gent in Philly are friendly and both deal Bugari as well as some used stuff.

Here's this spiffy year-old Bugari 34/72. It's shown with others at the top and there's more detail if you scroll down. IMHO if one likes this size, this is as good a deal as it gets for the price. I see there is other used stuff posted too, maybe one of those would suit. I have no connection/NFI:

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[colinm]

Well, I suppose you want the doubled basses offered by a 96. But . . . if you could live with 34/72, this dealer/virtuoso player in Philly has a pristine 2023 Bugari 115 with TAM on sale at a very nice price, especially since all the new Italian stuff seems to go up by $200/300 every year, with used prices rising accordingly, He deals the other Bugari models but doesn't always have them in stock. Personally I'd prefer the 34/72 for the lighter weight and compact size, but I understsand if one wants more basses for jazz. You might also try Emilio accordions in White Plains, NY. Emilio and this gent in Philly are friendly and both deal Bugari as well as some used stuff.

Here's this spiffy year-old Bugari 34/72. It's shown with others at the top and there's more detail if you scroll down. IMHO if one likes this size, this is as good a deal as it gets for the price. I see there is other used stuff posted too, maybe one of those would suit. I have no connection/NFI:

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I have not found a 37/96 and would consider a 34/72, but that one is outside my price range, and I suspect it will have narrow keys, thanks for the suggestion

 

[OuijaBoard]

Again, no connection, NFI: At Petosa, a like-new 2021 37/96 with TAM reeds, 19 pounds. It's Petosa's "Americana" line, which I take to be very nice "normal" Italian work as opposed to the super-deluxe, super-pricey models they issue under their own "Petosa" badge. Their "Petosa" instruments are made in the Bugari/Zero Sette factory in Castelfi. You'd have to ask if it's the same for the Americanas or if not, who is producing these. They seem very nice. This is a couple hundred more than the 34/72 Bugari I linked above, but it is a 37/96:

Americana P 37 (37/96 LMM)

Details The Americana P 37 balances petosa artisan quality and value direct from factory to consumer. By streamlining production variables without negating premium materials or craftsmanship, this new line meets a price point yet to be attained at this level of instrument. Featuring specially...

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[OuijaBoard]

Sorry, just took note of your price limit.

 

[OuijaBoard]

Sorry, just took note of your price limit.

I have not found a 37/96 and would consider a 34/72, but that one is outside my price range, and I suspect it will have narrow keys, thanks for the suggestion

Well, the two I listed are about in your range given the exchange rate, but would be over given shipping/duties. It might be hard to find a Bugari 130 37/96 in your range.

Not sure how you feel about Weltmeister, but these are in your range and should be available on your side of the pond.

The Weltmeister Achat 34/72 LMM is specc'd for 20mm full-size keys, 18 pounds.

The Weltmeister LMM 37/96 Topas III is 20 pounds, full-size keys. (The Topas IV 4-voice is heavier. You don't want the other Welt 37/96, the Opal, which has slim keys to deliver 37 treble in a chassis the size of a 34/72.)