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Well, I've come back from Crete with a bouzouki from a luthier in Rethimno (Rethymnon). I kind of knew this was going to happen, and it looks as though most of my future free time is going to be spent in honing my skills on this instrument, which I've played on and off for about 40 years.

My sister, who lives on Crete, steered me towards the luthier, and I'd have to be honest in stating that the bouzouki is my favourite musical instrument. There is a sort of interaction between player and instrument that you just don't get with an accordion. It's difficult to explain, but stringed instruments offer a different dimension.

I've no intention of giving up accordion completely, but it will now take third place after the bouzouki and electric guitar.

I'll still keep an eye on the forum, and hope to be able to offer my 2 cents worth from time to time.

Regards,

John W (Maugein96)
 
Is this a form of "Dear John" letter? :)
I hope not.
Congratulations on the new acquisition.
Looking forward to your 1st accordion duet with your new instrument.
 
Hi Glenn,

I'll still be around, but maybe not so active as I was. I'll always like the accordion, but unfortunately there is not much in the current media that inspires me to learn many new tricks with it.

The Greeks are very much in keeping with their folk music traditions, and there is a wealth of information and lessons on the bouzouki freely available online, even if most of them prefer playing guitars these days.

Bouzouki forums? There is only one I know of that caters for English speakers, and it is based in the US. You appear to need a £3000 instrument, a Gattling gun, and a tin hat to participate, so I don't think I'll bother. The same is true of most guitar forums I've been unfortunate enough to join.

There must be some sort of psychological condition that makes people like me want to play instruments from any other country than the one I live in. There is an Irish fiddle player now living in Crete and playing the Lyra professionally. That is the kind of thing I wish I had done years ago. Ironically the guy in Crete who made my bouzouki was born in Glasgow to Greek parents, and now scarcely speaks any English at all.

As you've probably gathered I am rather fickle when it comes to musical instruments, and I've owned a bouzouki before. It might only be a matter of time before the cards are re-shuffled and the accordions come back to the top of the pile. The only thing I don't like about the bouzouki is everybody wants you to play Zorba's Theme on it, and that gets rather boring. It was one of the first tunes I learned on it and it isn't really all that difficult to play, especially the 847th time.
 
Well I hope you do stick around to some extent, you've pointed me in the direction of some very good music, you identified a Bulgarian kolo, you dared to mention the marching bands... I've enjoyed your posts. If that is the level of commitment you bring to your third instrument you'll be unstoppable on the bouzouki. Have fun till the next post.
 
maugein96 said:
The only thing I don't like about the bouzouki is everybody wants you to play Zorba's Theme on it, and that gets rather boring.

I suspect that's about the bouzouki less than about Greek music. I know only what I could find from a little youtube surfing, but that tune stands out in having an appealing western style melody etc. If you chose instead to play some Turkish instrument, no one would request anything, at all. I'd love to hear about some pocket of Greek music I've missed, that would make us forget all about that syrtaki business.

Though I'm a little confused about whether the bouzouki is Greek, or Irish - are they different variations on the instrument itself?
 
Donn,

Zorba and a lot of other "Greek" stuff like the White Rose of Athens and Never on a Sunday had international appeal due to their western European style.

The bouzouki music I prefer is heavily influenced by Turkish music and is full of complex finger baffling runs that take a long while to get used to for a guitar player more accustomed to the rock and blues type of playing. It is not a typical Cretan instrument, but is played there to a degree, especially for tourists.

Over the years I've had to learn to use those flat and sharp notes in the Greek scales that are alien to our western musical ears. It's like trying to make deliberate mistakes at first, but it comes with practice. The notes sound out of place, but they are exactly what is written, if the tune is written at all. I've tried the Turkish saz with its quarter notes, but I reckon you'd have to be native to get the hang of it. Some bouzouki players have quarter note frets at the low end of the fretboard, so that they can get them to sound like a saz, but I'm not one of them.

I never heard an accordion on Crete at all, although my sister reckons they do exist in fairly small numbers.

If anybody is contemplating buying a musical instrument in Crete please don't try and board a Ryanair flight with it, unless it is the size of a harmonica, as you'll be bounced for 60 euro for not complying with their "Terms and Conditions". Your beautiful handmade instrument will then be taken from you and consigned to the hold to take its chances with the suitcases, and you'll have to pick it up at baggage claim in the UK in whatever condition it arrives. Easyjet allow you to take it on board the cabin free, but not our Irish friends.

Nikolaos Papalexakis, a Glasgow born Greek, made a good job of building my bouzouki as it survived the journey in a soft case. The family workshop in Rethimno is well known in Crete and is worth a visit if you are near, even if Greek instruments are not your bag, as you'll usually hear somebody playing something at his door before long. Nikos' father made the Cretan lyra that was played when Greece won the Eurovision song contest in 2006. I wasn't going to admit that I knew that, but I have.
 
Like you maugein, I seem to become eminently interested in someone's traditional music about every couple of years. I'm a life-long string player too--being into flamenco and classical guitar from youth... have studied on half-a-dozen various stringed instruments--fiddle, mandolins...a particular affinity for zithers and the larger bodied multi-course citterns, but oud and fiddle is its own primacy. I've been wanting to play wire harp since 1990, and finally gave up my first love flamenco guitar for clarsach, and I play oud to assuage the al andalus. I also love Turkish and Arabic maqam and then started learning eastern European tunes on accordian. These tunes also are beautiful on violin and oud, and clarinet. And I studied jazz on double bass and played bass and drums in bands in college...once having the corporeal bass strings in my hands, I wasn't satisfied until I finally got into harping. Now family and kids, I play solo a lot and accordian and harp provide the most fun arranging tunes--standards, rags, zydeco, satie, jigs and reels...I used to feel remote from an audience trying to play Bach and art music on guitar, and I would use an amp...I'm a much better performer of gypsy music I guess, and it's much easier for me to entertain with accordions and plectrum banjo..

Btw, lots of cbom chat on mandolin cafe
 
donn said:
Though Im a little confused about whether the bouzouki is Greek, or Irish - are they different variations on the instrument itself?

Yes, although...

Jonny Moynihan and that crowd brought a Greek bowled-back bouzouki - I think it was a triple-course - into their Irish scene in the late 60s I believe. Sweeneys Men/Planxty (Donal Lunny played a 3-course Greek bouzouki before the big Foleys, et al.) popularized the instrument as well as other fretted strings [Andy Irvine played an American flat-back, arched-top mandolin and mandola, and Portugese cittern (another broad term!) or perhaps German waldzither (and another!) capoed up high to render the higher mandolin and mandola parts on a large-bodied instrument--strung in various tunings no doubt]. These days, Sobell, Foley and countless others in both the UK, US and elsewhere are producing Irish bouzoukis -- which are actually long-scale octave mandolins (but of course nomenclature of this lute family of instruments varies throughout the world, as does the physiognomy, tuning and temperaments of the instruments...baglama, saz, lots of Turkish and other regional versions, etc.) as many are tuned in variants of DGAE/D, DDAD, etc--all fiddle tunings--rather than trad Greek tuning CFAD (although I believe the old trad tunings on the old 3-courses were DAD and variants, but the modern guys [probably in the 60s and 70s] wanted to tune it like a guitar so they could play all the guitar stuff (modern music, modern harmony, jazz, etc). I have one built by a Swede--Nils Caspersson--who calls it an Irish bouzouki (theres much use of bouzoukis, mandola/octave mandola, etc in Scandinavia--check out Ale Mollers mandola-- and elsewhere).
 
The bouzouki is a Greek instrument developed from the Turkish baglama or saz, which usually has 7 strings, and many different tunings. The rounded bowl back is constructed similarly to the baglama or saz, but the rest of the instrument was developed in conjunction with Italian immigrant mandolin makers, who had moved to Greece. The trichordo bouzouki has 6 strings arranged in three pairs, and tuned DAD. The highest D strings are tuned in unison, as are the A strings, whilst the "low" D consists of a pair of strings tuned an octave apart. This effectively means that there are no less than 3 D strings all at the same pitch, and allows for prolific use of open strings played as drones. Unsurprisingly a lot of material for trichordo bouzouki was written in the key of D.

Regardless of any other historic variations of the instrument, the trichordo bouzouki came to Greece from Asia Minor (Turkey) during the enforced population exchange between the two countries in 1923. It may surprise some to realise that the Greek Bouzouki is played in the Anatolian area of Turkey, presumably by modern day Turks with Greek ancestry. I'll not go into why that happened during the population exchange as it would take too long here.

The bouzouki became particular popular in the Athens area, where a new style of music called rebetika began to take shape, something like a Greek blues. This style was heavy into rants about the political situation of the times, and the songs tended to be rather melancholy.

About 1954, Manolis Chiotis, a bouzouki player who had turned to guitar in order to play the American jazz/swing styles spreading across Europe, hit on the idea of a 4 course bouzouki (tetrachordo), and reckoned if it was tuned identically to the top 8 strings of a standard 12 string guitar (CFAD), then it would be easy for guitar players to understand and play, whilst still sounding like the trichordo, as most bouzouki solos are played on the top 2 courses of strings

Chiotis and various others then began to play some swing type tunes on the tetrachordo, often for pure novelty value, much to the consternation of the traditionalists who felt he had bastardised the bouzouki.

Regardless of what opinions prevail, the 8 string tetrachordo is now by far the most popular of the two. There are other variations of the trichordo such as the tzouras, baglamas, and half-bouzouki, but these instruments tend only to be played by specialists.

Bouzouki is not an easy instrument to play, and I doubt whether I'll ever manage more than a handful of the easier tunes. However, it has a captivating haunting sound, especially when played by somebody who knows all of the mid eastern scales.

Despite being about 80% Irish myself, I've absolutely no idea how or where the Irish bouzouki sprang from. All I know about it is that it has a flat back, is tuned however the player wishes, and can be bought for less than half of a Greek bouzouki.

My bouzouki knowledge improves every time I go and visit my sister, but as it's not really a Cretan instrument, the locals say it is used to make Greek music, inferring that Greece is foreign to them.
 
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