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Thoughts & Experiences About the Roland FR-1v

Does anyone have any reviews of, thoughts on, experiences with the Roland FR-1v?
How is this one as far as digital accordions go?
Recommend? Not recommend? Insights to share?

Ryan
Not enough treble keys! I think you'll find it limiting.
I have the Roland 1xb and like it, but the chromatic button accordion layout squeezes 3 octaves into a small space, and you'll only have two octaves.
I have a two octave (piano style) MIDI keyboard controller that I use for recording music in GarageBand, and sometimes run out of keys for longer runs and have to either use the transpose function or record the first half and the octave up to record the second half.
72 bass buttons is fine for most tunes, but in some keys you'll need to make a big jump or learn or substitute a chord within easier reach. (i.e. if the tune is in E and includes a C# minor chord)
 
can't comment on this one, but I have the FR-1x

it's a great tool to have at the computer desk: composing, experimenting, MIDI input, a bit of silent practice etc.
in a digital workflow it is superb - I use it every day. I'm not nearly as fluent on piano, so it is nice to have this as a MIDI controller

occasionally I have tried to rehearse with it, as a stand-in for an acoustic - but found it a bit uncomfortable in the end
 
can't comment on this one, but I have the FR-1x

it's a great tool to have at the computer desk: composing, experimenting, MIDI input, a bit of silent practice etc.
in a digital workflow it is superb - I use it every day. I'm not nearly as fluent on piano, so it is nice to have this as a MIDI controller

occasionally I have tried to rehearse with it, as a stand-in for an acoustic - but found it a bit uncomfortable in the end
Very interesting. Thank you. Uncomfortable how?
 
Very interesting. Thank you. Uncomfortable how?
It's hard to explain the cause(s)

You can finetune the playability somewhat, but I found it a little tiring to play longer sessions as opposed to a same size acoustic. I feel I can 'throw around' an aoucstic more easily, and have it obey my (standing) posture and follow the band better. With the Roland your posture has to adapt more to the instrument, or so I feel it that way. It is about balance, pressure needed, etc. In a longer session this adds up and becomes a drag for me. Maybe if I stayed at it, i would become a better FR-1x player, but the main thing was I couldn't really get the same out of it musically than with an acoustic, so I abandoned the idea. Now it stays at my desk.
 
It's hard to explain the cause(s)

You can finetune the playability somewhat, but I found it a little tiring to play longer sessions as opposed to a same size acoustic. I feel I can 'throw around' an aoucstic more easily, and have it obey my (standing) posture and follow the band better. With the Roland your posture has to adapt more to the instrument, or so I feel it that way. It is about balance, pressure needed, etc. In a longer session this adds up and becomes a drag for me. Maybe if I stayed at it, i would become a better FR-1x player, but the main thing was I couldn't really get the same out of it musically than with an acoustic, so I abandoned the idea. Now it stays at my desk.
Thank you. Very helpful.
 
Not enough keyboard range on the FR1 for one thing . I have owned and enjoyed the FR3X and the FR4X but really missed the ability to bellows shake them. It`s possible but difficult at best. I also never could understand why they couldn`t quite get the authentic acoustic accordion sounds better duplicated. Close but no cigar!
That all said , I much preferred playing them ,mainly because of my fat fingers and the larger footprint/spacing of the Roland bass buttons.

My main concern these days is finding a repair shop now or in the (possibly) near future. I mean to invest in the Roland as I see it is to take a chance on whether this company is still in business next month/year and if anyone is still around to repair them IF and when parts are available.
Hopefully I didn`t go too far off track here, but only to invite more discussion.
 
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For me it's a bit like the tale of Goldilocks... The FR1 is too small, the FR8 is too heavy, but the FR4 is... just right. However, I would rather wait until Roland upgrades and refines their line-up. Maybe I'll be waiting forever... Suppose in the meantime, I will just get by with appreciating traditional accordions.
 
Is the Fr8 really too heavy? My disappointment with the FR4 would be the 37 keys. I like the 41 keys of the FR8. Is the FR8 really too heavy? I use it all the time. I do not stroll with it. I play it in the sitting position. It works fine for me. I can play for an hour or more. -- Just passed another milestone. I am 81.
 
Good man @John M, you love your FR8X and I respect that. However, is the FR8X too heavy? Well, I suppose it depends on your perspective. I will give an opinion, but I don't want to be harsh in any way or seem unfair - really, there are a lot of things to like about the Roland accordions. I know a few members here who love the Roland accordions dearly, and I appreciate their decisions to buy what they like, and like what they buy, without hearing me criticise their choices. I trust their judgement and I am sure they will be good products. I too would have a digital accordion, but I look for different things than what Roland is content to give us... For me, there is an optimum weight and dimensions for a piano accordion. I personally like 41/120 (or at a minimum 37/120) with 4 voice and double cassotto. However, I do not like instruments that have great dimensional 'depth'. I am baffled by the depth figure that Roland quotes on their website, 28cm? What did they use to measure the accordion - a trundle wheel. Maybe someone can share the correct dimensions for my benefit. To me the golden number is around 19cm to 19.5cm depth for a sleek, well designed traditional accordion. Five voice instruments and chromatic converter accordions all tend to be at least 2.5cm deeper. I believe this affects the centre of gravity of the instrument and the accordion sits up on itself rather than laying into the musician. Secondly, weight. To me a traditional standard bass 41/120 should really be less than 12kg (not a fan of the square and chunky Excelsior Symphony Gold). I would even say that many of the great Titano and Victorias with quint converters in the olden days were often pretty close to the 19.5cm/20cm depth and often hovering under the 12kg mark. That's simply great design to me. However, accordions are getting bigger as bass mechanisms and instruments with larger note ranges need to be accomodated. Not my thing at all! But why is a digital accordion as heavy as one made from wood, metal, celluloid and all the other goodies?

I feel that right now the digital accordion companies take their digital accordionists for granted. Technology changes quickly these days, but not when it's inside an accordion. Now, according to Roland the FR8X weighs 12.1kg for their 41 key and 120 bass accordion. Now, that's not terrible but it is heavier than a vintage Hohner Gola 414. The Gola 414 weighs-in at a bit over 11kg. However, what's inside a Gola? Well the casing is made from a ply of aged mahogany and spruce. The reed blocks are made from a combination of spruce and highly varnished black walnut. The hundreds of steel reeds inside the accordion are of a quality that has never been matched in the history of accordion building. Bellows frames are solid walnut. The keyboard base is made from walnut and it has an aluminium mute-box behind the grill. Parts of the grill and the bass couplers are gold-plated. The whole instrument is covered in highly polished celluloid, a material that's rarely used nowadays on anything other than accordions and a few other bits and pieces, but celluloid really has a wonderful lustre to it! That's even before we talk about the mechanics. Also, the dimensions are as important as the weight, especially the depth that is 19.5cm. When you hold a Gola 414 or a Super VI or a classic Excelsior, Sonola, Titano, Victoria, or modern Beltuna, Bugari or Pigini you are playing an instrument of great substance and sleek design.

Yet the Roland FR8X, why is the technologically advanced option so heavy? Surely modern tech is getting smaller, lighter and more capable? But no, not on accordions. Where is the weight coming from? The case and keys are plastic, not made of hard-wood and topped with celluloid and lucite like good modern accordions. No doubt the FR8X is loaded with computer components, microchips, sensors, wiring and speakers. Maybe, this is all top notch, cutting edge 2023 stuff? Old tech usually gets cheaper with time, but seemingly not on a digital accordion.

I shudder at where the multinational corporations are going... Roland feeds us what they decide and we have to either accept it and believe it is the best thing since pressed beetroot juice, or wait for them to slowly evolve their product. I don't mind the sounds, some are really nice. I like the piano, and some of the organ and orchestal sounds, they can be quite pleasant. As for the Scrooge McDuck bagpipes that the occasional American Youtuber likes to use to make Scottish people cringe - the less said about that the better.

I remain ever hopeful that one day there will be a digital instrument with uncluttered design, high quality plastics, maybe with a quality keyboard. But regardless, they should really be lighter than 12kg. Is that too much to ask? Maybe one day Roland will surprise me.​
 
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However, is the FR8X too heavy? Well, I suppose it depends on your perspective.​
Agreed, and that perspective is unique on a per user experience. I personally find the 8x very light!

I too would have a digital accordion, but I look for different things than what Roland is content to give us... For me, there is an optimum weight and dimensions for a piano accordion. I personally like 41/120 (or at a minimum 37/120) with 4 voice and double cassotto.​
8X is of course 41/120 and can have the Cassotto turned on or off (its one of those "options") :)

However, I do not like instruments that have great dimensional 'depth'. I am baffled by the depth figure that Roland quotes on their website, 28cm? What did they use to measure the accordion - a trundle wheel. Maybe someone can share the correct dimensions for my benefit.​
Just measured it. Roland states 19.5cm, but mine seems to be a touch less than that. Could be me, could be the tape measure I am using.

To me the golden number is around 19cm to 19.5cm depth for a sleek, well designed traditional accordion.​
Seems to be a perfect match for your needs at least in that one aspect... haha

Five voice instruments and chromatic converter accordions all tend to be at least 2.5cm deeper. I believe this affects the centre of gravity of the instrument and the accordion sits up on itself rather than laying into the musician.​
Going in and out of converter Free Bass mode makes no change to the depth or weight of the 8X (haha, I am really butchering this one!)

Secondly, weight. To me a traditional standard bass 41/120 should really be less than 12kg (not a fan of the square and chunky Excelsior Symphony Gold). I would even say that many of the great Titano and Victorias with quint converters in the olden days were often pretty close to the 19.5cm/20cm depth and often hovering under the 12kg mark. That's simply great design to me. However, accordions are getting bigger as bass mechanisms and instruments with larger note ranges need to be accomodated. Not my thing at all! But why is a digital accordion as heavy as one made from wood, metal, celluloid and all the other goodies?

I feel that right now the digital accordion companies take their digital accordionists for granted. Technology changes quickly these days, but not when it's inside an accordion. Now, according to Roland the FR8X weighs 12.1kg for their 41 key and 120 bass accordion. Now, that's not terrible but it is heavier than a vintage Hohner Gola 414. The Gola 414 weighs-in at a bit over 11kg.​
The new Gola weight in at 12kg and that is without the straps. I think that we all know that there isn't an accordion manufacturer anywhere in the world that doesn't fudge with the weight numbers one way or another.

Yet the Roland FR8X, why is the technologically advanced option so heavy?​
Mostly it is things like the amps and speakers. The case is polycarbonate and also pretty heavy. That large battery is of no help either.

Surely modern tech is getting smaller, lighter and more capable?​
The tech was definitely there, however Roland is inherently a money making machine first and foremost. Adding lithium batteries and carbon fiber parts and class D amps along with carbon fiber speakers would likely drop the weight to well under 8kg but also triple the cost of the accordion. No one would buy it... at least not I.

But no, not on accordions. Where is the weight coming from? The case and keys are plastic, not made of hard-wood and topped with celluloid and lucite like good modern accordions. No doubt the FR8X is loaded with computer components, microchips, sensors, wiring and speakers. Maybe, this is all top notch, cutting edge 2023 stuff? Old tech usually gets cheaper with time, but seemingly not on a digital accordion.​
For Roland the V-accordion line is perhaps less than 1% of total sales, they simply don't care now that Kakihashi is now dead... he was the one that cared and loved the V-accordion line and made it what it was.

Roland feeds us what they decide and we have to either accept it and believe it is the best thing since pressed beetroot juice, or wait for them to slowly evolve their product. I don't mind the sounds, some are really nice. I like the piano, and some of the organ and orchestal sounds, they can be quite pleasant. As for the Scrooge McDuck bagpipes that the occasional American Youtuber likes to use to make Scottish people cringe - the less said about that the better.​
There are a few sounds I never ever EVER use... the bagpipes being one of them. My opinion is that at the time the 8X came out, it was the best digital accordion on the market, and now 11+ years later, it still is the best/most advanced digital accordion out there. As far as evolution is concerned, I'd not worry... there won't be a 9X. The 8X is the end of the line.

I remain ever hopeful that one day there will be a digital instrument with uncluttered design, high quality plastics, maybe with a quality keyboard. But regardless, they should really be lighter than 12kg. Is that too much to ask? Maybe one day Roland will surprise me.​
I'd not waste my time waiting, the V-accordion line has ended with the 8X. What is worse is that when my 8X falls in to disrepair, I'll just place it on a shelf and hopefully by then I will be simply too old to play accordions at all.

Until then, I will keep plugging away, note by note and enjoying both my acoustic and 8X. :)
 
Good man @John M, you love your FR8X and I respect that. However, is the FR8X too heavy? Well, I suppose it depends on your perspective. I will give an opinion, but I don't want to be harsh in any way or seem unfair - really, there are a lot of things to like about the Roland accordions. I know a few members here who love the Roland accordions dearly, and I appreciate their decisions to buy what they like, and like what they buy, without hearing me criticise their choices. I trust their judgement and I am sure they will be good products. I too would have a digital accordion, but I look for different things than what Roland is content to give us... For me, there is an optimum weight and dimensions for a piano accordion. I personally like 41/120 (or at a minimum 37/120) with 4 voice and double cassotto. However, I do not like instruments that have great dimensional 'depth'. I am baffled by the depth figure that Roland quotes on their website, 28cm? What did they use to measure the accordion - a trundle wheel. Maybe someone can share the correct dimensions for my benefit. To me the golden number is around 19cm to 19.5cm depth for a sleek, well designed traditional accordion. Five voice instruments and chromatic converter accordions all tend to be at least 2.5cm deeper. I believe this affects the centre of gravity of the instrument and the accordion sits up on itself rather than laying into the musician. Secondly, weight. To me a traditional standard bass 41/120 should really be less than 12kg (not a fan of the square and chunky Excelsior Symphony Gold). I would even say that many of the great Titano and Victorias with quint converters in the olden days were often pretty close to the 19.5cm/20cm depth and often hovering under the 12kg mark. That's simply great design to me. However, accordions are getting bigger as bass mechanisms and instruments with larger note ranges need to be accomodated. Not my thing at all! But why is a digital accordion as heavy as one made from wood, metal, celluloid and all the other goodies?

I feel that right now the digital accordion companies take their digital accordionists for granted. Technology changes quickly these days, but not when it's inside an accordion. Now, according to Roland the FR8X weighs 12.1kg for their 41 key and 120 bass accordion. Now, that's not terrible but it is heavier than a vintage Hohner Gola 414. The Gola 414 weighs-in at a bit over 11kg. However, what's inside a Gola? Well the casing is made from a ply of aged mahogany and spruce. The reed blocks are made from a combination of spruce and highly varnished black walnut. The hundreds of steel reeds inside the accordion are of a quality that has never been matched in the history of accordion building. Bellows frames are solid walnut. The keyboard base is made from walnut and it has an aluminium mute-box behind the grill. Parts of the grill and the bass couplers are gold-plated. The whole instrument is covered in highly polished celluloid, a material that's rarely used nowadays on anything other than accordions and a few other bits and pieces, but celluloid really has a wonderful lustre to it! That's even before we talk about the mechanics. Also, the dimensions are as important as the weight, especially the depth that is 19.5cm. When you hold a Gola 414 or a Super VI or a classic Excelsior, Sonola, Titano, Victoria, or modern Beltuna, Bugari or Pigini you are playing an instrument of great substance and sleek design.

Yet the Roland FR8X, why is the technologically advanced option so heavy? Surely modern tech is getting smaller, lighter and more capable? But no, not on accordions. Where is the weight coming from? The case and keys are plastic, not made of hard-wood and topped with celluloid and lucite like good modern accordions. No doubt the FR8X is loaded with computer components, microchips, sensors, wiring and speakers. Maybe, this is all top notch, cutting edge 2023 stuff? Old tech usually gets cheaper with time, but seemingly not on a digital accordion.

I shudder at where the multinational corporations are going... Roland feeds us what they decide and we have to either accept it and believe it is the best thing since pressed beetroot juice, or wait for them to slowly evolve their product. I don't mind the sounds, some are really nice. I like the piano, and some of the organ and orchestal sounds, they can be quite pleasant. As for the Scrooge McDuck bagpipes that the occasional American Youtuber likes to use to make Scottish people cringe - the less said about that the better.

I remain ever hopeful that one day there will be a digital instrument with uncluttered design, high quality plastics, maybe with a quality keyboard. But regardless, they should really be lighter than 12kg. Is that too much to ask? Maybe one day Roland will surprise me.​
Youre description of the fabulous Gola prompted me to get mine out of the wardrobe. I fear it will need a fair bit of fettling before I can get a tune out of it :unsure: :giggle:
 

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Thanks for taking the time to respond Jerry. Shame there won't be an FR9. While I am not so rosy on the FR8 as you, its all about opinions, and I appreciate the full reply.

Still, I think I might prefer @Pipemajor's bag to a new Gola. I'd get a better 'swing' out of the bag. But maybe that's just my playing, never was one for Jazz...
 
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Linda Herman is one of the digital accordion pioneers and she even played on the Johnny Carson show, so I will never ever make fun of her... but I am wondering if the tears in my eyes were because of the onions I was chopping or not just now.
 
Good man @John M, you love your FR8X and I respect that. However, is the FR8X too heavy? Well, I suppose it depends on your perspective. I will give an opinion, but I don't want to be harsh in any way or seem unfair - really, there are a lot of things to like about the Roland accordions. I know a few members here who love the Roland accordions dearly, and I appreciate their decisions to buy what they like, and like what they buy, without hearing me criticise their choices. I trust their judgement and I am sure they will be good products. I too would have a digital accordion, but I look for different things than what Roland is content to give us... For me, there is an optimum weight and dimensions for a piano accordion. I personally like 41/120 (or at a minimum 37/120) with 4 voice and double cassotto. However, I do not like instruments that have great dimensional 'depth'. I am baffled by the depth figure that Roland quotes on their website, 28cm? What did they use to measure the accordion - a trundle wheel. Maybe someone can share the correct dimensions for my benefit. To me the golden number is around 19cm to 19.5cm depth for a sleek, well designed traditional accordion. Five voice instruments and chromatic converter accordions all tend to be at least 2.5cm deeper. I believe this affects the centre of gravity of the instrument and the accordion sits up on itself rather than laying into the musician. Secondly, weight. To me a traditional standard bass 41/120 should really be less than 12kg (not a fan of the square and chunky Excelsior Symphony Gold). I would even say that many of the great Titano and Victorias with quint converters in the olden days were often pretty close to the 19.5cm/20cm depth and often hovering under the 12kg mark. That's simply great design to me. However, accordions are getting bigger as bass mechanisms and instruments with larger note ranges need to be accomodated. Not my thing at all! But why is a digital accordion as heavy as one made from wood, metal, celluloid and all the other goodies?

I feel that right now the digital accordion companies take their digital accordionists for granted. Technology changes quickly these days, but not when it's inside an accordion. Now, according to Roland the FR8X weighs 12.1kg for their 41 key and 120 bass accordion. Now, that's not terrible but it is heavier than a vintage Hohner Gola 414. The Gola 414 weighs-in at a bit over 11kg. However, what's inside a Gola? Well the casing is made from a ply of aged mahogany and spruce. The reed blocks are made from a combination of spruce and highly varnished black walnut. The hundreds of steel reeds inside the accordion are of a quality that has never been matched in the history of accordion building. Bellows frames are solid walnut. The keyboard base is made from walnut and it has an aluminium mute-box behind the grill. Parts of the grill and the bass couplers are gold-plated. The whole instrument is covered in highly polished celluloid, a material that's rarely used nowadays on anything other than accordions and a few other bits and pieces, but celluloid really has a wonderful lustre to it! That's even before we talk about the mechanics. Also, the dimensions are as important as the weight, especially the depth that is 19.5cm. When you hold a Gola 414 or a Super VI or a classic Excelsior, Sonola, Titano, Victoria, or modern Beltuna, Bugari or Pigini you are playing an instrument of great substance and sleek design.

Yet the Roland FR8X, why is the technologically advanced option so heavy? Surely modern tech is getting smaller, lighter and more capable? But no, not on accordions. Where is the weight coming from? The case and keys are plastic, not made of hard-wood and topped with celluloid and lucite like good modern accordions. No doubt the FR8X is loaded with computer components, microchips, sensors, wiring and speakers. Maybe, this is all top notch, cutting edge 2023 stuff? Old tech usually gets cheaper with time, but seemingly not on a digital accordion.

I shudder at where the multinational corporations are going... Roland feeds us what they decide and we have to either accept it and believe it is the best thing since pressed beetroot juice, or wait for them to slowly evolve their product. I don't mind the sounds, some are really nice. I like the piano, and some of the organ and orchestal sounds, they can be quite pleasant. As for the Scrooge McDuck bagpipes that the occasional American Youtuber likes to use to make Scottish people cringe - the less said about that the better.

I remain ever hopeful that one day there will be a digital instrument with uncluttered design, high quality plastics, maybe with a quality keyboard. But regardless, they should really be lighter than 12kg. Is that too much to ask? Maybe one day Roland will surprise me.​

I don't think the 8X is that far off from your "max" specs. Here's the measurements on my 8X:
Depth = 19 cm. This is from the front (Roland nameplate) to the back that contacts you chest. If you include the distance to the edge where the keyboard slants back, then the depth is 28 cm.
Width = 29 cm. This is from left side to right side.
Weight = 27 lb. -- 12 kg = 26.5 lb.
Note the battery weighs 2 3/4 lb.
 
Thanks John. True, that's fairly comparable to a modern traditional instrument, and a little bit heavier than the likes of the old Gola etc. I can live with the 12kg weight, but what I don't get is why the Bugari Evo P41 is 11.3kg when it has a solid mahogany casing? Mahogany is not that light - but the Evo is a good bit lighter than the FR8? Are both instruments not the same inside? Maybe the Evo doesn't have internal speakers?
 
Thanks John. True, that's fairly comparable to a modern traditional instrument, and a little bit heavier than the likes of the old Gola etc. I can live with the 12kg weight, but what I don't get is why the Bugari Evo P41 is 11.3kg when it has a solid mahogany casing? Mahogany is not that light - but the Evo is a good bit lighter than the FR8? Are both instruments not the same inside? Maybe the Evo doesn't have internal speakers?
It looks to me that the Evo and 8X weigh the same. Here's a screen shot of the Evo features.
Also, in the detailed spec on this Evo, here's the weight:
--Weight12.1 kg
--26 lbs. 11 oz.
 

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It's strange that instruments made from very different materials could weigh the same...

Also it seems that different websites quote different figures and make a selling feature of the differences:

 
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