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Thoughts & Experiences About the Roland FR-1v

Anybody know where I could try an FR-1x within reasonable distance of Taunton in Somerset? The only dealer I have found so far is Allodi Accordions in South East London, a 4 hour drive for me (and even he is awaiting a long delayed order of FR-1xs). The Roland Shop in Bristol does not keep any in stock, and could only offer to order one for me - ie no try before buy.
I am not even on the same continent, but I can offer some insight.

If you are expecting any v-accordion to "act" 100% as an acoustic, you will be disappointed.
If you are expecting any v-accordion to "sound" 100% as an acoustic, you will be disappointed.

They feel different and they sound different. Most experienced accordionists do not fully like this but for those few that do, the world kinda opens up to you because suddenly you have something that feels like an accordion but has dozens of different sounds and possibilities open up.

For Dale Mathis sounds you can only get those if you buy the accordion from Dale Mathis.
For Richard Noel sounds you can purchase those online on the internet at: http://www.noelaccordion.com/roland.html
 
Hi Tom,
I have seen the Dale Mathis sounds mentioned. What kind of sounds are included?
Where could I find more info about the Richard Noel sounds?
Hi other cheesehead,

Dale Mathis' youtube is a good resource. He posts new videos almost daily. Or go to his website at dalemathisaccordion.com, where you can also find his phone number and give him a call. I can't say who's sounds are "better." I bought mine when he was having a big sale. Good thing about Dale is he provides free support which can be pretty handy. He actually answers his phone and talks you through any problems you may have.

 
You (the original poster) don't mention (or I did not see it) what you currently play and what type of music you want to play on an FR1v. Are 26 keys and 72 basses enough. 26 keys seems awfully limiting to me but might work for some music styles.
I, in my shortish accordion playing career, had always played 41 key, 120 bass acoustic accordions and really worried about just losing 4 keys if I went to Fr4x. The reality is that I don't miss miss those 4 notes at all. I very rarely have to adjust where I am on the keyboard to allow for them. On a 26 key keyboard, I'm not so sure. The Fr8x just seemed too big and a bit of overkill for my needs. I am not knocking it at all but it was not for me.

Having gone to the dark side though, I do not regret it at all. I play the FR4x almost exclusively now, even to the point that I am thinking of selling my Borsini as it just does not get played any more.

There are though some considerations when going electric.
It's not an accordion!
It looks like one, it (mostly) plays like one but it's not. It's two electronic instruments, the bass side and the treble side, joined by a common set of circuit boards and amps and bellows that give you some dynamic volume control. Bellows shake is just hard work!
As far as the general, non accordion aware, populace is concerned, it's an accordion, even if you've got an organ coming out of the treble side and a tuba on the bass side! The ability to plug in and be amplified is great, no mics, no feedback and you can even go wireless if you really want to stay mobile. Plus you can plug in the ol' headphones and jam away all night without disturbing anyone, unless like me you forget it's also plugged into your amp and it's playing though the speakers but you cannot hear it because you've got the headphone on (oops...!) but your wife can!

Is it going to sound and play like a 'real' accordion? No. But it does a pretty good job, and again, for the general populace it sounds just fine. For me the ability to switch instruments completely and play say a guitar or flute or sax or organ is awesome and helps keep the mostly instrumental stuff that I play, interesting to the audience. If you get from Dale Mathis You can get his sound set or you can buy Richard Noel's set independently. There's probably a few others out there as well. Some people spend hours tweaking the sounds. Me, I play what is there and I am happy with what I have on the box. But there again I think AM radio sounds good!

There were a couple of things that I considered before pulling the trigger though.

  • The cost. It annoys the heck out of me that you have to play as much, if not more, for a pretty much mass produced electronic instrument, as you do for a traditional accordion made and assembled by hand from discreet parts. I guess Roland think that because we are used to paying that much for a box, they can just charge us the same.
  • Roland seem to have pretty much given up on development of the V accordion line so one has to wonder about the availability of spares in the future.
  • In the same vein, you can still restore a 60 year old accordion to perfectly playable condition. Good luck in 10/15 years trying to do that with anything electronic. Circuit boards do fail and it's not like you can generally replace just one component since most are surface mounted and a bugger to work with, even assuming you can find the offending component that failed and have the equipment and skill to replace it, or can find someone that can do that. So for me, future longevity of the instrument is a big question mark.

All that being said, especially the stuff about future maintainability, I figured, it's not going to fail for a few years, Roland is still around and hopefully, some spares are and will be if we need them so take a chance and go for it.

Since I bought the 4x I have also found a few things that worked to my advantage for my particular setup.

As soon as I got it I knew I 'needed' a backing module and got a BK7m. I converted my BK7m to be battery powered (just a powerbank and a 5v to 9v converter cable) but the great thing about the 4x is that is has an mini stereo audio input socket on the bottom so I can play the backing module's audio through the accordion speakers. That means I can go sit downtown or go to a farmer's market with my backing module and accordion and just play, no power required.

There's only one MIDI socket on the 4x so if you need MIDI in AND out you have to juggle things. I went with a CME WIDI device in the USB socket for MIDI out which is less obtrusive and less likely to get knocked.

I used a mini right angle TRS plug for the audio in on the accordion. Again, low profile so les likely to get knocked.


Overall I really do not regret going this route at all.

Hope that helps.
 
Hi other cheesehead,

Dale Mathis' youtube is a good resource. He posts new videos almost daily. Or go to his website at dalemathisaccordion.com, where you can also find his phone number and give him a call. I can't say who's sounds are "better." I bought mine when he was having a big sale. Good thing about Dale is he provides free support which can be pretty handy. He actually answers his phone and talks you through any problems you may have.


Hey Tom,
That's fantastic to hear. I watch and listen to his videos/music a decent amount. He definitely seems passionate and knowledgeable about Rolands. Awesome to hear he is responsive and helpful by phone as well. "I bought mine when he was having a big sale." well done with taking advantage of that opportunity!
 
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You (the original poster) don't mention (or I did not see it) what you currently play and what type of music you want to play on an FR1v. Are 26 keys and 72 basses enough. 26 keys seems awfully limiting to me but might work for some music styles.
I, in my shortish accordion playing career, had always played 41 key, 120 bass acoustic accordions and really worried about just losing 4 keys if I went to Fr4x. The reality is that I don't miss miss those 4 notes at all. I very rarely have to adjust where I am on the keyboard to allow for them. On a 26 key keyboard, I'm not so sure. The Fr8x just seemed too big and a bit of overkill for my needs. I am not knocking it at all but it was not for me.

Having gone to the dark side though, I do not regret it at all. I play the FR4x almost exclusively now, even to the point that I am thinking of selling my Borsini as it just does not get played any more.

There are though some considerations when going electric.
It's not an accordion!
It looks like one, it (mostly) plays like one but it's not. It's two electronic instruments, the bass side and the treble side, joined by a common set of circuit boards and amps and bellows that give you some dynamic volume control. Bellows shake is just hard work!
As far as the general, non accordion aware, populace is concerned, it's an accordion, even if you've got an organ coming out of the treble side and a tuba on the bass side! The ability to plug in and be amplified is great, no mics, no feedback and you can even go wireless if you really want to stay mobile. Plus you can plug in the ol' headphones and jam away all night without disturbing anyone, unless like me you forget it's also plugged into your amp and it's playing though the speakers but you cannot hear it because you've got the headphone on (oops...!) but your wife can!

Is it going to sound and play like a 'real' accordion? No. But it does a pretty good job, and again, for the general populace it sounds just fine. For me the ability to switch instruments completely and play say a guitar or flute or sax or organ is awesome and helps keep the mostly instrumental stuff that I play, interesting to the audience. If you get from Dale Mathis You can get his sound set or you can buy Richard Noel's set independently. There's probably a few others out there as well. Some people spend hours tweaking the sounds. Me, I play what is there and I am happy with what I have on the box. But there again I think AM radio sounds good!

There were a couple of things that I considered before pulling the trigger though.

  • The cost. It annoys the heck out of me that you have to play as much, if not more, for a pretty much mass produced electronic instrument, as you do for a traditional accordion made and assembled by hand from discreet parts. I guess Roland think that because we are used to paying that much for a box, they can just charge us the same.
  • Roland seem to have pretty much given up on development of the V accordion line so one has to wonder about the availability of spares in the future.
  • In the same vein, you can still restore a 60 year old accordion to perfectly playable condition. Good luck in 10/15 years trying to do that with anything electronic. Circuit boards do fail and it's not like you can generally replace just one component since most are surface mounted and a bugger to work with, even assuming you can find the offending component that failed and have the equipment and skill to replace it, or can find someone that can do that. So for me, future longevity of the instrument is a big question mark.

All that being said, especially the stuff about future maintainability, I figured, it's not going to fail for a few years, Roland is still around and hopefully, some spares are and will be if we need them so take a chance and go for it.

Since I bought the 4x I have also found a few things that worked to my advantage for my particular setup.

As soon as I got it I knew I 'needed' a backing module and got a BK7m. I converted my BK7m to be battery powered (just a powerbank and a 5v to 9v converter cable) but the great thing about the 4x is that is has an mini stereo audio input socket on the bottom so I can play the backing module's audio through the accordion speakers. That means I can go sit downtown or go to a farmer's market with my backing module and accordion and just play, no power required.

There's only one MIDI socket on the 4x so if you need MIDI in AND out you have to juggle things. I went with a CME WIDI device in the USB socket for MIDI out which is less obtrusive and less likely to get knocked.

I used a mini right angle TRS plug for the audio in on the accordion. Again, low profile so les likely to get knocked.


Overall I really do not regret going this route at all.

Hope that helps.
Very helpful! Thank you! I really appreciate you sharing and welcome any additional thoughts and wisdom you and anyone else has.
I have a digital piano accordion and an acoustic piano accordion.
I have a 41/120 Salanti that is older yet going strong.
I also found a nice reasonably priced FR-1. I'm newer to accordion in general, and very new to digital accordions...yet I'm really drawn to them and have been...so I figured I just need to give one a try while the passion, energy, and ability is there. I thought it would be a good introduction to digital accordions with less cost and a way to get familiar.
I honestly love both for each's own particular advantages and fun they provide. I love the features, flexibility, and options that both provide based situation I am playing in and the mood I find myself in.
I can easily see myself continuing to play both and go back and forth.
It will be interesting to see if my opinions and preferences become for more focused at some point, and I really love, appreciate, and have so much gratitude for this forum and the many and varied discussions there are and have been about the nuances. I can't say enough how helpful those discussions are for me, especially in the forum format where I can read and revisit. Thank you all! Keep the thoughts, experience, and wisdom coming!

The 26 keys and 72 basses of the FR-1 works for me at this point. I love it. I don't need something more yet also agree it is certainly nice to have. The features and characteristics of newer accordions are really tempting for sure and fund to think about and consider. I really like the stories and relational aspect of accordion exchanges and purchases. I love hearing the stories of where an accordion has been and who's played it, and to hear the passion and love people have for the accordion, the person who plays or played the accordion, and more.

Yes, it will be interesting to see what the situation is down the road 5, 10, 15 years and more with Roland and other digital accordions, and see how the community responds to the changes. And I hope I will be in a different and better situation to adjust (and invest) as needed.
Honestly, I want to learn how to do my own acoustic accordion repairs at some point well to keep the older accordions alive and give them more life. I'm not there yet.

I appreciate your sharing about the BK7m as well. I recently started learning about this realm as well. It's really fascinating and exciting to know about the options and possibilities.

Thanks again!
 
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