Korg FISA SUPREMA

[CPez]

Super cool, thanks Cory!!!!! I think your outfit goes great with the Korg. Suppose it was so dark in there you needed sunglasses…... Thanks for promoting the accordion and keeping it real.

But…..You need to spend some time with Losthobos bro. You got too many notes, not enough soul. What if you put your prodigious talent towards soul, emotion, tasteful use of space? What is it that differentiates you from Frank Marocco? Sorry, I’m an old swamp yankee from Peace Dale, we tell it like it is. Just sayin’.

Tom - Have you NEVER heard me play Slow? Go on YouTube, and look up Milonga del Angel. Or Lush Life with Agne G, The Christmas Song, I Wish you Love which I Just posted with the KORG, on and on. I pride myself on my Slow playing MORE than fast - But Audiences want to hear fast. So I always give them the fast, and I'm Very comfortable at it. But please please go listen to my slow playing.

Art Tatum was a different kind of dude. Never will be duplicated. As adroit on the left hand as the best jazz players were on their right hand. No matter who was playing and where, if Art stepped into the room they deferred to him. I love watching what little early footage exists of him.

Art Tatum to me IS the Greatest Musician Ever. Yes, with ALL the incredible musicians from Stravinsky to Jacob Collier to Mozart to Oscar to Keith Jarrett to Ivo Poposov and Balkan musicians and beyond - I can not put anyone above Art, because HOW you judge people, is Not only How Great were they on today's standards, but more importantly - HOW Far ahead of the curve were they from Where everyone was then? Of Course, musicians get greater all the time. A 12 year old MUST play the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto today to be considered "possibly on their way to being great", whereas in 1899, almost NO ONE could play it. Eddie Monteiro and I can play Jazz Greater (Overall speaking) than Tommy Gumina - But NEITHER Eddie or I will tell you we are greater than Tommy. How + When you played IN that era is how you judge. And Art was So SO far ahead of everyone else BOTH in Speed AND Harmony, that I can't say anyone was better. 10's Bass Lines in the 1930's is just insanity. Plying different arrangements of the same tune every time he played it, And in all keys, back then? Insanity. His Speed? Stupid. He was just God. And they actually used to call him that. Though Art was about the Most Narcissistic Musician Ever hahaha - The Stories are Crazy. But when you're THAT good, who cares. Same with Jaco. Most of the greats Aren't though like Oscar or Herbie or Frank Gambale or Leah and Natalie whom I play with.

I agree, I've seen Cory play in real life, he is brutal with all his boxes... LOL
And no, I would never expect anyone to come here and discuss possibly disasterous issues, especially if they were sponsored by Korg, I would HOPE though, that they discuss things in nauseating detail with them!

I am thankful that Linda made a public post about it.

1. What?? Seriously? You think I play it even Close as rough as Dick Contino? Tony Lovello? Come on Jerry. I think I'm actually pretty moderate honestly - I never even open the bellows far - Something I've done since I was 10.

2. It is Downright ************* that Linda posted about it. Complete Destruction of Trust after 20 Years friendship with Luigi. 17 Years with me. Many years with everyone else. That's all I'm Going to say.

We will have an Official Statement Soon on the situation. And I am Not worried. Know That.

JUST KNOW THIS - This situation has been being dealt with, we're almost done figuring it out. If you bought one, Call me. If you are Thinking of buying one, Don't lose any faith. No One is going to lose Any Money. KORG is Totally behind the product, and the people behind it are Wonderful. And Just Remember that even though I DON'T Play it as hard as Tony or Dick, I do play it Pretty hard, as does the Only Other person who's had it as long as me - Paul Stanga. NEITHER OF US have had this happen. That's all I'll say for now. Just Call me Personally.

 

[Tom]

Tom - Have you NEVER heard me play Slow? Go on YouTube, and look up Milonga del Angel. Or Lush Life with Agne G, The Christmas Song, I Wish you Love which I Just posted with the KORG, on and on. I pride myself on my Slow playing MORE than fast - But Audiences want to hear fast. So I always give them the fast, and I'm Very comfortable at it. But please please go listen to my slow playing.



Art Tatum to me IS the Greatest Musician Ever. Yes, with ALL the incredible musicians from Stravinsky to Jacob Collier to Mozart to Oscar to Keith Jarrett to Ivo Poposov and Balkan musicians and beyond - I can not put anyone above Art, because HOW you judge people, is Not only How Great were they on today's standards, but more importantly - HOW Far ahead of the curve were they from Where everyone was then? Of Course, musicians get greater all the time. A 12 year old MUST play the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto today to be considered "possibly on their way to being great", whereas in 1899, almost NO ONE could play it. Eddie Monteiro and I can play Jazz Greater (Overall speaking) than Tommy Gumina - But NEITHER Eddie or I will tell you we are greater than Tommy. How + When you played IN that era is how you judge. And Art was So SO far ahead of everyone else BOTH in Speed AND Harmony, that I can't say anyone was better. 10's Bass Lines in the 1930's is just insanity. Plying different arrangements of the same tune every time he played it, And in all keys, back then? Insanity. His Speed? Stupid. He was just God. And they actually used to call him that. Though Art was about the Most Narcissistic Musician Ever hahaha - The Stories are Crazy. But when you're THAT good, who cares. Same with Jaco. Most of the greats Aren't though like Oscar or Herbie or Frank Gambale or Leah and Natalie whom I play with.



1. What?? Seriously? You think I play it even Close as rough as Dick Contino? Tony Lovello? Come on Jerry. I think I'm actually pretty moderate honestly - I never even open the bellows far - Something I've done since I was 10.

2. It is Downright ************* that Linda posted about it. Complete Destruction of Trust after 20 Years friendship with Luigi. 17 Years with me. Many years with everyone else. That's all I'm Going to say.

We will have an Official Statement Soon on the situation. And I am Not worried. Know That.

JUST KNOW THIS - This situation has been being dealt with, we're almost done figuring it out. If you bought one, Call me. If you are Thinking of buying one, Don't lose any faith. No One is going to lose Any Money. KORG is Totally behind the product, and the people behind it are Wonderful. And Just Remember that even though I DON'T Play it as hard as Tony or Dick, I do play it Pretty hard, as does the Only Other person who's had it as long as me - Paul Stanga. NEITHER OF US have had this happen. That's all I'll say for now. Just Call me Personally.

Thanks for the heads up on the slow pieces, Cory, very nice. Good luck with the Korgs!

 

[JerryPH]

1. What?? Seriously? You think I play it even Close as rough as Dick Contino? Tony Lovello? Come on Jerry. I think I'm actually pretty moderate honestly - I never even open the bellows far - Something I've done since I was 10.

2. It is Downright ************* that Linda posted about it. Complete Destruction of Trust after 20 Years friendship with Luigi. 17 Years with me. Many years with everyone else. That's all I'm Going to say.

1 - For sure Cory! A few years back I went to the accordion museum and while there played a beatiful Brandoni with all natural wood. Here I am playing, hit a register gently, and imagine my horror when that register button just falls off a $12,000 Brandoni... LOL. Paul looks at me and says "no worries, the last person to play this accordion was Cory Pesaturo"...

2. No, its very RIGHT that she did this. How else would the general public know about something so serious if she had not? Also, she is now not alone... it's happened AGAIN to someone else! If Luigi lost trust in her, that is his problem, but IMHO there is a much greater issue here to be concerned about, other than what Luigi feels about Linda... and he needs to roll up his sleeves and get to work on resolving that rather than feel bad that Linda did the right thing.

 

[Thomas N]

1 - For sure Cory! A few years back I went to the accordion museum and while there played a beatiful Brandoni with all natural wood. Here I am playing, hit a register gently, and imagine my horror when that register button just falls off. Paul looks at me and says "no worries, the last person to play this accordion was Cory Pesaturo"...

2. No, its very RIGHT that she did this. How else would the general public know about something so serious if she had not? Also, she is now not alone... it's happened AGAIN to someone else! If Luigi lost trust in her, that is his problem, but IMHO there is a much greater issue here to be concerned about, other than what Luigi feels about Linda... and he needs to roll up his sleeves and get to work on resolving that rather than feel bad that Linda did the right thing.

Extremely interesting post Cory and I agree with everything you said - but one thing.

Linda should have posted that to let everybody know she had a problem. Now I don't know the history there and I could see that making a difference. If she was provided a substantial discount, or any kind of incentive for receiving an early version of the instrument for publicity posting videos or playing out with the instrument then I could see that as violation of trust.

If she's just another user of the accordion and has a long relationship with Luigi and the former Roland team then perhaps I could see her reaching out to them first and maybe stating that she has an issue with the accordion and waiting to see how it was addressed.

If it happened to me I would have let everybody here know. I just lost the MIDI board on my FR-8X after 9 years and had it replaced. Things happen.

I agree it's damaging - especially with another similar instance happening now. It will affect my decision - for now - but not for future purchases. Like a new model year car recall, it will be addressed and I have full faith it won't happen to the newly released models.

I'm actually glad you didn't go into the details of Linda - that's her call.

Please keep posting in here. I learn something every time.

 

[skopaczewski]

I Wish you Love which I Just posted with the KORG

I just listened to this. I'm curious, right after time index 3:00 the bass side changed. Was that intentional? I thought you said that you sometimes accidentally hit the registry change buttons on that side. I've done that too in the short time I've had mine.
I also listened to Chopin Nocturne No. 1 Op. 9 you played on the Korg. Absolutely majestic!
One comment about the YouTube posts of you playing, and I know it's not always possible, but I really like it when I see you actually playing vs. just a static photo with the audio. Another thing - you have static shots of you with the Roland when you're actually playing the Korg. Maybe that could be updated to have a picture of the matching instrument?
I also listened to Vivaldi Winter just now. Not sure why I couldn't find your rendition on the Korg before. Once again... incredible as ever.
Please keep the YouTube posts coming. I especially like the Classical pieces. Not much of a Jazz fan. (Oh my! I just said the wrong thing to you.)

It is Downright ************* that Linda posted about it.

Please find a way to forgive Linda if you haven't already. Our community is so small relative to others - guitar, piano, etc.
It would be a shame to break any ties. Especially ones so long-standing.

Thanks for all your support with this instrument and the current issue we're facing.

 

[CPez]

No, its very RIGHT that she did this. How else would the general public know about something so serious if she had not? Also, she is now not alone... it's happened AGAIN to someone else! There is a much greater issue here to be concerned about, other than what Luigi feels about Linda... and he needs to roll up his sleeves and get to work on resolving that rather than feel bad that Linda did the right thing.

Jerry - You talk like YOU are the News. "There has been a second!". JERRY - You're Not the News. There's been over 10. Forget 2. The Difference is, Everyone Else, who COULD have posted and no one would have been mad, KNEW, the Right thing to do was NOT Tattle Tale. Was NOT Fink. No Ones Lives are in Danger Jerry. NO ONE is going to Die because their accordion breaks. I'm sure you voted for the Kakle and think Socialism is a Great idea. You DON'T FINK. People HATE being around those that know Everything they say or do, That person will tell the World if it suits them. You are apparently that. And Linda is that. Me? I am Italian. To do this to friends, family, or people you respect is Illigal and a Moral Cardinal Sin. Those who had this happen to their accordions around the world who are Not friends Or especially Long time friends? I get it if they had posted. But even THEY knew what to do and not do. I've been calling Everyone the past few days that Have Fisas to inform them Personally of what's going on and Not to be worried. It's all going well. Personal Relationships are Everything. NOT acting like some Whistle Blower Hero. That's Narcissism. Period. "Look at me! I'm Virtuous! I'm a Hero!" Woke BS. Just like the family members who TOLD of their Own family members who went to January 6th. Or go to the police to tell on their friends who were having a party during Covid. Disgusting. Those are people I do Not want to associate with.

If it happened to me I would have let everybody here know.

Then we shouldn't be friends Thomas, because now I know I would have to shutter 90% of what I'm thinking for fear of you telling everyone else later. Because the Correct thing to do - Is Call Me, or Call your Dealer, Or Call someone you know at KORG. But my phone is always open. As I've been talking with people all over the world on this issue Privately. You DO NOT go public. If you Know an Engine is about to fall off the plane you just got off - THEN YOU GO Public. That's life and death. Not This. Again, Everyone else who's had this happen around the world, Knew the right thing to do was go internal. And again, they were Not looong long time friends of all of us.

I especially like the Classical pieces. Not much of a Jazz fan. (Oh my! I just said the wrong thing to you.)

Our community is so small relative to others - guitar, piano, etc.
It would be a shame to break any ties. Especially ones so long-standing.

Thanks for all your support with this instrument and the current issue we're facing.

Oh Don't worry! My whole career started on Classical! I've been doing lots of Chopin with these great musicians lately, and all my competitions used Tchaikovsky pieces of course. People always just highlight me as a Jazz player, which is an honor so I won't say no, but then they think they have to go search for other players when looking for Classical or French or Brazilian or what have you. It's always the battle of being pigeonholed but needing it for marketing since "Being Versatile" has sadly Never been a marketing scheme, even though that was always my goal in music.

We are Not a Community. Don't use that word haha. If there's Anything to accomplish in my life, it's Destroying that Vague word used by politicians and companies who don't want to Say the facts. It's All to strip people from their Individuality and Not offend people. We are the Accordion World overall, but it is Not a community becasue Nothing is a community. Am I part of the "5 foot 8 inch Italian-Americans who love racing and chase snowstorms of over 12" who plays accordion community"? No. It's all ridiculous. We are All Individuals. And if you want to know about breaking ties, the Accordion World History has WAY More Breaks than ties, RIGHT on back to Galla-Rini and ATG / AAA in the 1930's. I've been part of many wars in the accordion world since I was 10. That's Normal. SMALL Worlds create Heavy Politics and Territorial Battles. Just for one, I have called Julien Labro about 4 times a year, and Always on Christmas. He's Never Once talked to me when he's the only other young Jazz Player in the country. The accordion world has its bridges, and it has its Many cavernous canyons. Do we need to go over Faith Defner and Her life? Haha. But I'm as open a book as they come. And everyone always knows how I feel about things. I tell it how it is - WHICH MEANS - Trust me when I say, this issue with KORG is not a Major one.

It's a Tiny one. It's just creating Major problems. But they will Not let ANYONE Down, and they are Behind the product. THIS is why I hate anyone talking negatively about it Publicly BEFORE they know the facts. Call me PRIVATELY, and I'll give you more info. You're dealing with an Italian here. Finking is a Cardinal Sin against friends and family and those you respect.

 

[Ventura]

betray Bruti when her Korg went splitzville ? it can't be done
because, IMHO, Bruti has never ever been on our side..
he has always been figuring out how to perpetuate his job,
his position, his next contract..

the original Ronald FR7 sounded and played the way it did
because it was deliberately dumbed down and basically
partially handicapped and sabotaged so that he and his team
were assured of another dozen years on the gravy train

the Korg is nice, and i am glad they got involved, but they
are just the latest suckers to underwrite a far from perfect but
damn sure COULD have been perfect product for the consumer
that is in actuality, principally, a product to fund a nice retirement
for a bunch of old ELKA whiz kids whether it is a success or a failure
in the marketplace, which incidentally they could care less if it
lives or dies

 

[Tom]

Jerry’s Canadian, capeesh, and aren’t you from RI (American)? Just sayin’. Jerry’s done more to benefit the accordion playing world than anyone else here. But you’re a great player and an inspiration nonetheless, Cory. As they say…..

 

[JerryPH]

Jerry - You talk like YOU are the News. "There has been a second!". JERRY - You're Not the News. There's been over 10. Forget 2. The Difference is, Everyone Else, who COULD have posted and no one would have been mad, KNEW, the Right thing to do was NOT Tattle Tale. Was NOT Fink.

We share a very basic difference... being HONEST.
Why hide it? So other people could buy it and have the same thing happen to them? Thats not finking, that is telling the TRUTH. Linda did not "fink" as you like to put it.

No Ones Lives are in Danger Jerry.

No one also likes to pay $8800 for something that breaks a few weeks after the purchase either.

NO ONE is going to Die because their accordion breaks. I'm sure you voted for the Kakle and think Socialism is a Great idea.

Political talk is FORBIDDEN on this forum... please follow the guideline, and stay on topic.

You DON'T FINK. People HATE being around those that know Everything they say or do, That person will tell the World if it suits them. You are apparently that.

Amazing that:
1: you seem to know my political affiliations (not even close, BTW!)
2: I said NOTHING wrong, Linda mentioned it, I repeated it here because it was pertinent news and it is IMPORTANT to many here. I minimized the issue, stated confidence that Korg would address this.
3: You seem to feel that its OK to bury this.

And Linda is that. Me? I am Italian. To do this to friends, family, or people you respect is Illigal and a Moral Cardinal Sin.

Big deal. We all come from somewhere, being Italian is no more important than any other country you could inject there.. not that it is even important, but telling the TRUTH is not illegal. Selling a product with a serious defect would be closer to fraud (a real crime!), if they were not willing to address it.

Now, you saying that it happened not once, but 10 times... doesn't that by your own definition make you a "fink" too??

Those who had this happen to their accordions around the world who are Not friends Or especially Long time friends? I get it if they had posted. But even THEY knew what to do and not do.

Linda knew very well what to do as did the other gent who's name I forgot but don't feel like looking up on facebook at this moment. It was not wrong to post about the issue, irrespective of what your personal moral compass makes you think.

I was appreciative of the fact that people who posted this and equally appreciative that they had ZERO fears about it being resolved in a timely manner by Korg.

By your very angry, disruptive post, you've done MORE damage to Fisa than both Linda and the other gent combined. You promote the idea that secrecy is the rule, even if there is a serious issue, you don't want the news shared. You then call people names and inject negative political racism in to the post.

All this because you THINK people won't buy, which is already a wrong thought on your end, because people who are/were interested are now going to wait and see how Korg addresses this BEFORE they make a decision to purchase. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people consiering it are STILL considering it... just after it's fixed... as it SHOULD BE.

But if Luigi read this, he'd probably blast you for making a molehill in to a mountain, and angering a lot of forum members in the process!

I can see why Roland let you go... Cory, you are an amazing accordionist, a fairly nice guy in person... but you are a public relations nightmare, because you lack some serious communication skills and let emotions rather than clear thought to MINIMIZE a situation that wasn't really a situation... until you made it one.

Take a step back, stop the name calling and political attacks, go back to Luigi and ask him how he should now fix the shitshow you started here.

 

[CPez]

We share a very basic difference... being HONEST.
Why hide it? So other people could buy it and have the same thing happen to them? Thats not finking, that is telling the TRUTH.

That is Not Honest. Or the Truth. Because you Don't Know the whole truth. Wait for the official statement. And Screwing your long time friends is OK to you? This is why we'll never be friends haha. Especially since you think I'm only a "fairly" nice guy haha. Have we ever even met? I can't tell names on this thing with "JerryPH".

No one also likes to pay $8800 for something that breaks a few weeks after the purchase either.

Political talk is FORBIDDEN on this forum... please follow the guideline, and stay on topic.

Ohhhhhhh this is not politics. This is Foundational Character Traits. I'm Anti-Collectivist. Pro-Individualist. That's Philosophy. "Please Follow the Guidelines". I'm sorry, are you President? Are you my middle school teacher?

Amazing that:
1: you seem to know my political affiliations (not even close, BTW!)
2: I said NOTHING wrong, Linda mentioned it, I repeated it here because it was pertinent news and it is IMPORTANT to many here. I minimized the issue, stated confidence that Korg would address this.
3: You seem to feel that its OK to bury this.

We are NOT Burying this! Did you read what I wrote? I've been spending Hours and Hours every day Calling Buyers who have them already to inform them about what's going on. I'm being EXREMELY Honest and Transparent. But was doing it PRIVATELY until that post, and I'm continuing to talk with owners Privately.

Big deal. We all come from somewhere, being Italian is no more important than any other country you could inject there.. not that it is even important, but telling the TRUTH is not illegal. Selling a product with a serious defect would be closer to fraud (a real crime!), if they were not willing to address it.

We are not talking countries. We are talking Cultures. We are talking "Norms" and "Taboos". That's what underlines culture. KORG is 100% working every minue in multiple countries on it. And No One will lose Any money because of it. They fully back it. Did you read anything I wrote?

Now, you saying that it happened not once, but 10 times... doesn't that by your own definition make you a "fink" too??

No. The cats out of the bag now after her post. But it's Confined. Which my Clue is - Mine I've had longer than anyone except Paul Stanga. Ours are Both FINE. As is Adragna's who is probably 3rd in terms of length and time of use, and hard player. His is Fine too. Just Wait for the official statement.

By your very angry, disruptive post, you've done MORE damage to Fisa than both Linda and the other gent combined. You promote the idea that secrecy is the rule, even if there is a serious issue, you don't want the news shared. You then call people names and inject negative political racism in to the post.

You think this is angry? Hahha. THis is not even mildly angry. And you don't Know my emotions, because we we are in a text thread communication. AGAIN - Call Me. And Hear my voice. I use capitals so you can hear how I'm talking. "Negative Political Racism"? My god dude. Go out and enjoy life. Now I'm 100% sure you are a Lefty Snowflake. That's the only name I've called.

All this because you THINK people won't buy, which is already a wrong thought on your end,

No - Because people don't know the Whole Story and their making false claims.

because people who are/were interested are now going to wait and see how Korg addresses this BEFORE they make a decision to purchase. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people consiering it are STILL considering it... just after it's fixed... as it SHOULD BE.

But if Luigi read this, he'd probably blast you for making a molehill in to a mountain, and angering a lot of forum members in the process!

Jerry - This is not some major public thread. I'm only stating these things because this forus I THOUGHT was Only a Members Protected Semi-Private Forum. NOT totally public. And Luigi can think what he wants - I am Not am employee of KORG. But I put my face on it and back it 100%. And don't want people Falsely going after it. But I'm not an Employee Jerry.

I can see why Roland let you go...

ANOTHER Lie. Jesus. They did not let me go. I Left on Contractual disputes because of a Multitude of reasons. Again - CALL ME. Not on here.

Public relations nightmare, because you lack some serious communication skills

Again - We are on a Text Thread - Call Me. Calllll me. Talk to me as a person. And I'm SO SORRY I actually Tell My ACTAUL Opinion and and Don't BS People. So sorry I'm Honest - Which you said at the beginning I'm not. Contradictory huh? I don't have 1000's of friends around the world because I'm a communication nightmare Jerry. YOU just don't like my morals or opinions. And I didn't start any S Show. Linda did and now you did haha. RELAX. And Call Me like a Man. This text crap is what 12 year olds do.

 

[JerryPH]

Call Me. Calllll me. Talk to me as a person.

"Lefty snowflake", huh? More name calling...keep it up buddy, you're doing great! I'm through fencing with you.

If I was interested in talking to you, I'd ask you to PM me your number. You're not a paid employee of KORG. I think I will reach out to Luigi and see if I can arrange a talk with the source. You tend to use the word "we" a lot in that post above. I'll see what Korg wants to share with me.

Guess what, if I do get that opportunity, I will be posting it here and see what he thinks about this thread AND your attitude.

 

[knobby]

Gentlemen,
Some of the recent post in this thread are becoming a little unpleasant. I have no idea who Linda or Luigi are, or what they may or may not have done, and don't really care. However I ask you to keep the discussions in this thread civil - manners cost nothing!

Jerry - This is not some major public thread. I'm only stating these things because this forus I THOUGHT was Only a Members Protected Semi-Private Forum. NOT totally public.

@CPez - This is a public forum and the threads and posts here are viewable by anyone, regardless of whether or not those people have joined the forum as members. With the exception of a couple of private areas of the forum, all the threads/posts here are indexed by search engines and appear highly in the search results for relevant queries.

 

[Thomas N]

Then we shouldn't be friends Thomas, because now I know I would have to shutter 90% of what I'm thinking for fear of you telling everyone else later. Because the Correct thing to do - Is Call Me, or Call your Dealer, Or Call someone you know at KORG. But my phone is always open. As I've been talking with people all over the world on this issue Privately. You DO NOT go public. If you Know an Engine is about to fall off the plane you just got off - THEN YOU GO Public. That's life and death. Not This. Again, Everyone else who's had this happen around the world, Knew the right thing to do was go internal. And again, they were Not looong long time friends of all of us.

Cory, this is an unnatural response. If the product is good and decent, and well performing, but has a flaw that can be rectified I don't see that as blabbing to the world. My S90ES Yamaha had a broken Aftertouch cord that was quite common. I discovered it on a forum after thinking I was doing something wrong. I took it in a they repaired it for free. No ill thoughts about them at all. In fact my next keyboard was Montage M8x by Yamaha. Amazon is full of reviews of people who experience common problems and they are extremely helpful.

This particular thread is for people that are interested in a super niche product. Not only is it an accordion, it's a reedless accordion. That's about as niche as you can get in the musical world. We want to understand the product. If there's something that's broken, fine, fix it. We're all very interested in this instrument. I would argue that your above reply to me would scare off buyers. I would surmise that there are a whole host of hidden and not-so-hidden issues that are kept on the down-low because the company does not want to publicly address and correct known issues. The reverse would make me more comfortable.

I'm on a ton of other Keyboard/Synth related forums and they are filled with users and their reports of bugs, physical defects, and issues with the product. Most of them have company representatives on the actual forum writing responses. I have seen none telling the users to keep their thoughts to themselves and contact them privately. That makes no sense to me.

 

[Thomas N]

betray Bruti when her Korg went splitzville ? it can't be done
because, IMHO, Bruti has never ever been on our side..
he has always been figuring out how to perpetuate his job,
his position, his next contract..

the original Ronald FR7 sounded and played the way it did
because it was deliberately dumbed down and basically
partially handicapped and sabotaged so that he and his team
were assured of another dozen years on the gravy train

the Korg is nice, and i am glad they got involved, but they
are just the latest suckers to underwrite a far from perfect but
damn sure COULD have been perfect product for the consumer
that is in actuality, principally, a product to fund a nice retirement
for a bunch of old ELKA whiz kids whether it is a success or a failure
in the marketplace, which incidentally they could care less if it
lives or dies

Powerful statements, Ventura. Far out of my knowledge scope, but very interesting indeed. I've always wondered why the Fisa, with a decade of advancement in technology, didn't have more earth-shattering features. Seemed entirely evolutionary, and barely that, than revolutionary.

 

[JerryPH]

Gentlemen,
Some of the recent post in this thread are becoming a little unpleasant. I have no idea who Linda or Luigi are, or what they may or may not have done, and don't really care. However I ask you to keep the discussions in this thread civil - manners cost nothing!

I am done, thanks Knobby.
For the record, Linda Herman, the first to publically state and prove that her Fisa broke in to 2 pieces.
Luigi Bruti, the main man responsible for the creation of the Fisa a former employee of Roland, involved in the V-accordion program.
Thanks for being so patient!

 

[debra]

I was busy for most of the day today (with accordion repair) so I missed what went on here.
It's sad to see arguments get heated, and as far as I can tell it's all about whether people should or should not go public about problems they find with a product.
I follow a number of forums and tech news sites, and it is very common for people who discover a problem with a product to make it public. This is widely accepted and appreciated by most. I can understand it may not be appreciated by persons who are promoting the product, but they can just as easily use these forums and news sites to make it publicly known when a fix has been made available.
The *only* cases where it common to keep a problem under the rug and discussed only privately with the makers or suppliers is when the problem is a security risk. So software vulnerabilities are only made public after a fix is available. For any other problems they are publicized before a fix is available.
While I feel for Cory and Luigi and other people promoting the Korg, now that problems have surfaced, (not just the breaking but also the register switches with a mind of their own) ... the focus of Korg should be on resolving the issues as quickly as possible and issuing a recall of existing units if needed, and should not be on blaming people who made public that the problems exist.
So I hope we can put this discussion to rest and juet let Korg work on solutions.

 

[breezybellows]

2. No, its very RIGHT that she did this. How else would the general public know about something so serious if she had not? Also, she is now not alone... it's happened AGAIN to someone else! If Luigi lost trust in her, that is his problem, but IMHO there is a much greater issue here to be concerned about, other than what Luigi feels about Linda... and he needs to roll up his sleeves and get to work on resolving that rather than feel bad that Linda did the right thing.

It's her prerogative how she speaks about her experience. Mine broke a month before her's did. I chose not to post publicly because I wanted to see how the problem is being handled. At the same time, no one should be forced to keep quiet. Calling it a betrayal makes it sound like a cult. It's unfortunate that it happened.


It's a new product and there's a lot of moving parts. For me, it's far more important to see how Korg supports their product. My dealer has agreed to extend the warranty based on the delivery date of my replacement.

If it survived Cory's playing but couldn't handle mine, I suspect that it has something to do with the screws used in my batch.

I'm glad that a large company is investing in the accordion.

 

[jozz]

wow
unsure what's worse here: the actual design flaw, or some person, apparantely affiliated with the brand typing some drunk rant
good job

 

[CPez]

wow
unsure what's worse here: the actual design flaw, or some person, apparantely affiliated with the brand typing some drunk rant
good job

"Somebody" lol. Yes, a Random Accordion Player. And I've Never ben Drunk and Never Touched Drugs Thank You very much. Again, you are Projecting Text Communication to Actual Conversation - CALL ME.

And glad also that you are all Confirming WHY No One should be talking about the problem - Because you are all making assumptions about what's going on that are Not true. WAIT for the Official Statement. (Right down to "Cory is Brutal with the accordion". Have you guys EVER seen me play live vs. Dick Contino or Tony Lovello? Or even Bruce Gassman or All Classical Players of Europe? Clearly not. Why do I even argue in here. I came On this board to give you guys Insight that No One else was going to have, and since my First post, ALL I've gotten is attacked and now Threatened).

 

[breezybellows]

"Somebody" lol. Yes, a Random Accordion Player. And I've Never ben Drunk and Never Touched Drugs Thank You very much. Again, you are Projecting Text Communication to Actual Conversation - CALL ME.

At least this situation highlighted something for me I never knew - Being a Virtue Signaling Whistleblower against your family and friends is Not some Victimhood Driven Narcissistic Problem of Gen Z. It's a problem of All Ages. All people who had Nothing to lose by going public, Still didn't do it. For the 10th time - Everything is being addressed & No One is going to lose money. But Keep getting angry and acting as if you know more than anyone and are the moral arbiters of all situations.

And glad also that you are all Confirming WHY No One should be talking about the problem - Because you are all making assumptions about what's going on that are Not true. WAIT for the Official Statement. (Right down to "Cory is Brutal with the accordion". Have you guys EVER seen me play live vs. Dick Contino or Tony Lovello? Or even Bruce Gassman or All Classical Players of Europe? Clearly not. Why do I even argue in here. I came On this board to give you guys Insight that No One else was going to have, and since my First post, ALL I've gotten is attacked and now Threatened).

Most of what is being said was bizarre (to put it mildly).
To an extent, I agree with what you say about KORG being honest.

The FISA was made in limited quantities. There are different levels of dishonesty. What would be outright dishonest is to sell a faulty unit after being made aware that the unit is going to fall apart. From what I know, Korg didn't do this. From my understanding there is a "stop sale" that was not announced publicly.


I also understand why Korg might want to contain this. Only about 20 units were sold. Something went wrong. Let's debug, fix this and avoid all drama.

But there's are some very valid reasons why proactively broadcasting this problem might have worked out better.

1) Something went wrong. Everyone messes up some way. New customer confidence will take a hit until more units are sold. People are going to sit back and wait for a longer time. Korg is a large company. They can afford this. A potential customer will be very right to guess that something else like this might happen again. It's not right to deprive the customer of that information.

2) Now people have the opportunity of accusing Korg of something that is more serious. I've messed up on high profile projects (with reporting errors on billion dollar projects). Full disclosure is always the right way to go. Face the embarrassment and then it's over. "He messed up" is always better than "he messed up, tried to cover up and it got out". But we've gone even further this time. "He messed up, tried to cover it up, failed, blames the customer and is having colorful conversations with potential customers".


My guess is that some part supplied by an external supplier messed up this batch. Mine was one of the earlier ones that broke. I didn't post publicly because I didn't feel like doing it. If someone were to call me names after I did post publicly, I won't be doing business with them again.