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2024 Zoom # 2, January 20 or 21

Thanks for the input Dak! However, It don’t think people should worry about the equipment, since we’re going for fun, not sound quality. Gary and I zoom every week with just our old windows computers, not even a mic and it’s fine. I need to get the time to experiment more with Jamulus.
 
PS, I will post the link Saturday morning to try to avoid spammers.
 
It probably needs its own thread - but if people have good recommendations for getting decent sound quality over streaming video, I am all ears. That's the 1 thing that has kept me from trying online lessons, whether teaching beginners or learning from an expert.
 
It probably needs its own thread - but if people have good recommendations for getting decent sound quality over streaming video, I am all ears. That's the 1 thing that has kept me from trying online lessons, whether teaching beginners or learning from an expert.
Well, we are likely going to have different setups (including some investing some effort) on Saturday, so you can see a few things in action. As a very rough rule, standalone application works better than Chrome works better than Firefox. And a desktop computer might be a better choice than a smartphone. Ethernet beats WLAN. And it helps if the other people in the house aren't using their quality time away from you for watching video streams over the same Internet connection. There may be a point in foregoing tremolo: it's hard on microphones and audio compression.
 
It probably needs its own thread - but if people have good recommendations for getting decent sound quality over streaming video, I am all ears. That's the 1 thing that has kept me from trying online lessons, whether teaching beginners or learning from an expert.
I don’t know the answer but it might be interesting to do a forum based Jamulus experiment at some point. See what we can do. Provably time to revisit software arrangers too, probably some improvements from last time.
 
Thanks guys, great zoom!
 
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Ok, I'll set the next one up for 2 weeks, weekend of February 4, 2024. See you then!
 
It probably needs its own thread - but if people have good recommendations for getting decent sound quality over streaming video, I am all ears. That's the 1 thing that has kept me from trying online lessons, whether teaching beginners or learning from an expert.
After this Zoom session, there are a few more recommendations: if you are wanting to do music together, headphones are a requirement. With loudspeakers instead, the computer has to do "echo cancellation" which doesn't really work with simultaneous sound sources, particularly ones that are supposed to be in harmony. Personally I use FM headphones since they don't incur additional processing delays like digital headphones (for example Bluetooth) do. Being able to move freely is pretty important to me. In contrast, the kind of additional noise you get because of the analog signal is not much of a distraction compared to the other online problems.

It appears like Zoom has an "original musician sound" or something where it doesn't try to suppress other noise sources in the room. That works best for getting all content across. Obviously you should do your best then not to have other noise sources near the microphone.

The largest culprit for that are laptop fans and rotating harddisks when the microphones you use are actually built into your laptop. An external microphone might help in that case.
 
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Tom - thanks for taking the time to set up/ host this Zoom meeting. Great meeting -- good turnout.
 
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Thanks for that explanation David (dak). I hadn't really understood how these things interacted with one another to cause problems. I will use (wired) headphones next time. My laptop has a solid state hard-drive so no sound from that. but it does have a fan of course so I'll look into using a remote mic too.
 
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Thanks for that explanation David (dak). I hadn't really understood how these things interacted with one another to cause problems. I will use (wired) headphones next time. My laptop has a solid state hard-drive so no sound from that. but it does have a fan of course so I'll look into using a remote mic too.
It is annoying that there is no "check what I am sending" button (Zoom is not alone in that: it's an annoyance with basically every other system I know): if you use loudspeakers and no echo cancellation, anything somebody else says goes back from your loudspeakers into your microphone and gets repeated as an echo. But the echo is not heard by the person with the problematic setup, just by everybody else.

Also if you ask "does everybody hear me ok?" that doesn't help either when you are the cause of problems because everybody else's voice will get an echo, just not your own.

And generally you cannot easily figure out anything bad happening from your side because you are not hearing what gets out. I've had a conference talk where my audio was clipping and nobody told me. The recording of that talk is not really fun.

So it may take several iterations to get things right. Headphones are a reliable way of not being the cause of echoes. When you are unsure about what you may be sending, a last resort is push-to-talk: muting your audio whenever you are not saying anything. That makes sure at least that you are only interfering when you intend to talk.
 
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Great meeting Tom, thanks all for helping set up my zoom, just hope the Bluetooth headphones which I was given for xmas can be used.
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Great meeting Tom, thanks all for helping set up my zoom, just hope the Bluetooth headphones which I was given for xmas can be used.
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For sure: my advice against digital headphones because of the additional latency they introduce was for playing together, but Zoom doesn't really work for that anyway. When we are doing an experiment with Jamulus, they would be unadvised. For Zoom, they will work fine.

As I warned: you will likely not notice a significant improvement from using headphones: the benefits are for everyone else but the person using them.
 
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Thanks everyone! I had a great time talking to you all. I’m glad we got our configurations sorted and we were able to hear everyone. Should go smooth next time.

Gotta make sure I warm up a little before I play at the next one. 😉 And let’s follow up on talking about memorizing and learning b ear.

So, one way to go would be alternating Saturday and Sunday, every other week, keeping with 18:00 UTC. This would put us at Sunday, Feb 4, 2024. What do you all think?
 
Thanks everyone! I had a great time talking to you all. I’m glad we got our configurations sorted and we were able to hear everyone. Should go smooth next time.

Gotta make sure I warm up a little before I play at the next one. 😉 And let’s follow up on talking about memorizing and learning b ear.

So, one way to go would be alternating Saturday and Sunday, every other week, keeping with 18:00 UTC. This would put us at Sunday, Feb 4, 2024. What do you all think?
I'm good for Feb 4th.
 
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4 Feb is ok for me..
My headphones can be used with bluetooth or cable, does that mean they will be ok if I use them with cable for zoom.
Jamulus for windows 10 downloaded ok, but it says I also need asio4all driver and downloading that has not worked , it seems to try and force other cleaning software on me.
Has anyone else had this problem?
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4 Feb is ok for me..
My headphones can be used with bluetooth or cable, does that mean they will be ok if I use them with cable for zoom.
Jamulus for windows 10 downloaded ok, but it says I also need asio4all driver and downloading that has not worked , it seems to try and force other cleaning software on me.
Has anyone else had this problem?
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It may be related to where you downloaded the asio4all driver. I downloaded and set it up a while back and am not sure now where the best, safest place to download it is. Maybe someone can help?
 
4 Feb is ok for me..
My headphones can be used with bluetooth or cable, does that mean they will be ok if I use them with cable for zoom.
They should work just fine for Zoom using either Bluetooth or cable, but for doing Jamulus, cable would be superior.
Jamulus for windows 10 downloaded ok, but it says I also need asio4all driver and downloading that has not worked , it seems to try and force other cleaning software on me.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Lots of software wants ASIO4All (or better, a soundcard with a native ASIO driver, ASIO being a low-latency sound system for Windows). The ASIO4All driver itself is free I think (I use Linux myself, so cannot speak with confidence), so there may be a temptation by freeloaders to bundle it with crapware you don't want. Might be worth trying to figure out a sensible source. I'd expect that if http://jamulus.io gives you a link, that should be clean.
 
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