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Hohner Atlantic IV project

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Farmer T

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I just bought myself a project that I probably should have left for someone else, but to late now. It is an Atlantic IV deluxe LMMM that had the foam pads. They where all replaced on the right hand, however the sound is terrible as it looks like either the foam dust got onto the reeds or they are oxidizing, as there appears to be a white dust on many of the reeds. Have tried vacuum, air, light brushing, nothing seems to work. Is there anyway to clean these short of removing all the reeds, leathers/plastic, cleaning and then re waxing each reed?

Thanks, Farmer T

And I thought farming was beginning to be hard work :hb
 
Others may chip in with cleaning alternatives, but I would just say that re-valving and re-waxing reeds is no big deal. I've done a few boxes and still enjoy it! There are loads of online vids on different waxing methods.
Cheers
Tom
 
The thought of cleaning & re waxing is no big deal for me either.. but will it need retuning after?

On the subject of the 'dust' on the reeds on the several occasions I've come across disintegrating foam, it's been light brown?
 
That brown foam is from your treble pallets that are disintegrating with age. Very common with Hohners. Your reeds in most cases will not require tuning after cleaning but unless you replace the pallet facings that debris will continue.
 
Thanks for the advise, I guess I better just roll up my sleeves and get to work. No time like the present to learn something new, it just seems a bit daunting when you have not done it before, but I did buy it. The treble pallets have all just been replaced by the last owner, but he gave up when that didn't fix the sound, he just bought a different accordion, as he just wanted to play music. The dust seems to be light brown for the most part and will come off with a tooth pick where you can get at it, however some seems to be almost white. Will let you know how the project turns out. Thanks again, I really appreciate and enjoy the forum. Winter is here in Alberta, so I will be checking in more often.
 
When the reeds are covered in debris there is alas no other solution than to take all of them off, clean them thoroughly using benzine (just soak them to start with) and then re-wax everything. It's a hell of a job but when you do this and of course replace all the valves and pads the instrument should be good as new and in theory none of this should affect the tuning.
 
This Atlantic IV has what appears to be plastic reed covers on a lot of reeds vs. leather on the smaller reeds and a combination of what looks like leather with a couple of layers, (of different lengths) of plastic on the larger reeds. They all lay flat, no curling, what is the chance of being able to reuse these, or should I plan to put new ones on when I have the reeds clean? What about using all leather vs. plastic, leather combination? So many questions when its is all new to you. I have read the accordion revival.com site and find it very helpful, but it is nice to hear and learn from other peoples experiences as well.
Thanks, Terry
 
Hi Terry, personally I always replace valves with plastic (Ventile) because theyre easy to get hold of, consistent and reliable. Others may speak up for leather.

Advice on this forum seems to be generally, dont re-use valves. Given their cost relative to the time involved I think that makes sense.

If you havent got a local supplier Charlie Marshall in Scotland is excellent, very helpful and knows what hes talking about.
http://www.cgmmusical.co.uk/CGM_Musical_Services/Welcome.html[/url]

On refurbishment projects theres a very strong and active online forum and community at http://www.melodeon.net OK they are mainly talking about diatonic button boxes, but when it comes to reeds, valves and blocks, most of it is the same - youve just got more to deal with!

Thinking about your Atlantic project I was wondering whether you may be able to make it playable on restricted registers before youve done the whole job.
Obviously you want to get all the reed blocks out and give everything a clean to start with so youre not re-contaminating your work.
You also want to be very certain where reeds came from and go back to. Each rank of reeds from each block could be laid out in a row, wrapped up in waxed paper and carefully labelled, even before they are cleaned.

Is low humidity in winter an issue where you are? I think Id prefer to get the reeds stripped off the blocks, get the reed blocks cleaned, and then put the blocks without reeds back in the accordion reasonably quickly. I could be wrong but Id prefer not to leave the blocks out of the accordion for any longer than necessary. (Probably worrying unnecessarily, particularly with a metal bodied Atlantic, but with concertinas, I dont aim to have the wooden parts apart for more than a few hours. They are very willing to warp!)

Best of luck!
(Mind you, if youre anything like the farmers I know round here youre very used to seeing a job, getting the tackle you need, and getting on with it! After all, an accordion is just low pressure hydraulics!)
Tom
 
Thanks Tom,
Yes the humidity is a concern, (I think), as it changes a lot here from summer to winter. I will look into getting the necessary selection of valves, wax, and check out the web sites you suggested then get work. I don't know of any local suppliers, but have heard of some in the United States. I am looking forward to hear what it sounds like when I am done, even if it takes me awhile. I still have a selection of other accordions to play while working on this one, I rather like to play different ones just to hear the difference in sound, I will sit down and try several in an hour. I have a Guerrini Polka King LMMM, a Guerrini Camillo Maestro that has had the piccolo reed replaced with a 3rd middle reed tuned 9 cents off, a 3 reed wet tuned Paolo Soprani (very nice sound, and look), and a old Hohner Carola 3 reed wet tuned. I enjoy them all for different reasons, I still hope to find a LMMMH with a cassotto, perhaps a Super Paolo Soprani or whatever. I know they will be heavy but the cassotto has a unique sound, I guess I could say I am just having fun.

Thanks Debra,
I will have to look into the benzene cleaning fluid, as I am thinking it may have a different meaning to the word here, as I am told it could have a strong smell that may linger in the accordion. Will check it out and find the right product for the job. I am sure someone in will know what to use in Canada.

Terry
 
Thanks Jim, I will pick up some Naphtha. Any suggestions as to finding a supplier for valve plastics, leathers and wax?

Terry
 
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